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| Started by | Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> |
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| First post | 2024-09-14 17:10 +0200 |
| Last post | 2024-09-15 12:10 +0200 |
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Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:10 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:20 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:30 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:40 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> - 2024-09-14 17:40 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 18:40 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2024-09-14 23:00 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-09-15 08:00 +0200
Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2024-09-15 12:10 +0200
| From | Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 17:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) |
| Message-ID | <JmCzo-ce8x-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image. I have no idea if debootstrap supports this, I haven't tried (yet), I was hoping there was somewhere I could download an image. This is to build some ancient software. I've tried Jessie, which is the oldest release I have images for but unfortunately that has e2fslibs-dev 1.42 while the software will not build with e2fslibs >1.19. The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway although I did at least boot it at that time. Tim.
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| From | Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmCJ3-cebH-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273076 |
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Tim Woodall wrote: > Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I > need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image. > > I have no idea if debootstrap supports this, I haven't tried (yet), I > was hoping there was somewhere I could download an image. > > This is to build some ancient software. I've tried Jessie, which is the > oldest release I have images for but unfortunately that has e2fslibs-dev > 1.42 while the software will not build with e2fslibs >1.19. > > The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too > modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates > were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that > time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway > although I did at least boot it at that time. > And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but definitely not a high speed archive :-)
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| From | Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmCSJ-ceeW-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273077 |
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On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > > The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too > > modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates > > were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that > > time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway > > although I did at least boot it at that time. > > And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on > archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x > faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but > definitely not a high speed archive :-) https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/ has images going all the way back to 1.3. Prior to 3.0 is in the "older-contrib" directory. Cheers, Tom -- Sometimes I worry about being a success in a mediocre world. -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 17:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmD2p-cei5-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273078 |
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Tom Furie wrote: > On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > >>> The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too >>> modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates >>> were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that >>> time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway >>> although I did at least boot it at that time. >> >> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on >> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x >> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but >> definitely not a high speed archive :-) > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/ has images going all the way back > to 1.3. Prior to 3.0 is in the "older-contrib" directory. > Thanks! I didn't see that "older-contrib" directory and I assumed they'd been deleted. That's downloading much, much faster than archive.org. Tim.
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| From | Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 17:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmD2p-cei5-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273077 |
On 14 Sep 2024 16:15 +0100, from debianuser@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall): >> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I >> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image. > > And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on > archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x > faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but > definitely not a high speed archive :-) There's also archive.debian.org. See for example https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/images-1.44/ -- Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
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| From | Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmDYt-ceQf-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273079 |
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 14 Sep 2024 16:15 +0100, from debianuser@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall): >>> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I >>> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image. >> >> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on >> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x >> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but >> definitely not a high speed archive :-) > > There's also archive.debian.org. See for example > https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/images-1.44/ > > This is fantastic, thanks all! And for anyone who might want to do something like this in the future, the only file I actually needed was: https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/base2_2.tgz I downloaded the CD, mounted it and got it that way but it can be downloaded directly. I assume the other old things are similar. I've managed to build versions going all the way back to 1999.
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| From | Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-14 23:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmI25-chgB-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273081 |
Hi Tim, On 9/14/24 6:32 PM, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Michael Kjörling wrote: > >> On 14 Sep 2024 16:15 +0100, from debianuser@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall): >>>> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian >>>> images. I >>>> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image. >>> >>> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on >>> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x >>> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but >>> definitely not a high speed archive :-) >> >> There's also archive.debian.org. See for example >> https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks- >> i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/images-1.44/ >> >> > > This is fantastic, thanks all! > > And for anyone who might want to do something like this in the future, > the only file I actually needed was: > > https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks- > i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/base2_2.tgz > > I downloaded the CD, mounted it and got it that way but it can be > downloaded directly. I assume the other old things are similar. > > I've managed to build versions going all the way back to 1999. Now for the main question: Why do you need ancient Debian? best regards, chris
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2024-09-15 08:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmQsF-cmrr-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273085 |
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On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 10:27:01PM +0200, Christian Groessler wrote: [...] > Now for the main question: Why do you need ancient Debian? Was in the original post: "This is to build some ancient software." (I've been in a similar situation myself) Cheers -- t
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| From | Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-15 12:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <JmUmB-cpbn-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #273087 |
On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 7:59 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 10:27:01PM +0200, Christian Groessler wrote: > > [...] > > > Now for the main question: Why do you need ancient Debian? > > Was in the original post: "This is to build some ancient software." > > (I've been in a similar situation myself) Just have to add a "me too". Often a piece of software that hasn't been maintained for 20 years or so fails to compile, or the support scripts are using tools no longer available etc. It's way easier to FIRST make it work on the environment it was designed for, and then gradually fix whatever prevents it from being built with modern tools. I feel that this is one of the key strengths using free software. While you can probably easily find old CDs with Windows 2000, and MAY find old CDs with the popular development tools at the time, it may be very difficult getting it to run legally (if you care) and just pray that you don't need a non-existing dongle. I'm very happy that debian offers even really ancient versions.
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