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Really ancient debian images? (potato or older)

Started byTim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk>
First post2024-09-14 17:10 +0200
Last post2024-09-15 12:10 +0200
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  Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:10 +0200
    Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:20 +0200
      Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:30 +0200
        Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 17:40 +0200
      Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> - 2024-09-14 17:40 +0200
        Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2024-09-14 18:40 +0200
          Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2024-09-14 23:00 +0200
            Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-09-15 08:00 +0200
              Re: Really ancient debian images? (potato or older) Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2024-09-15 12:10 +0200

#273076 — Really ancient debian images? (potato or older)

FromTim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk>
Date2024-09-14 17:10 +0200
SubjectReally ancient debian images? (potato or older)
Message-ID<JmCzo-ce8x-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I
need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image.

I have no idea if debootstrap supports this, I haven't tried (yet), I
was hoping there was somewhere I could download an image.

This is to build some ancient software. I've tried Jessie, which is the
oldest release I have images for but unfortunately that has e2fslibs-dev
1.42 while the software will not build with e2fslibs >1.19.

The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too
modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates
were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that
time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway
although I did at least boot it at that time.

Tim.

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#273077

FromTim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk>
Date2024-09-14 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<JmCJ3-cebH-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#273076
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Tim Woodall wrote:

> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I
> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image.
>
> I have no idea if debootstrap supports this, I haven't tried (yet), I
> was hoping there was somewhere I could download an image.
>
> This is to build some ancient software. I've tried Jessie, which is the
> oldest release I have images for but unfortunately that has e2fslibs-dev
> 1.42 while the software will not build with e2fslibs >1.19.
>
> The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too
> modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates
> were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that
> time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway
> although I did at least boot it at that time.
>

And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on
archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x
faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but
definitely not a high speed archive :-)

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#273078

FromTom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk>
Date2024-09-14 17:30 +0200
Message-ID<JmCSJ-ceeW-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:

> > The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too
> > modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates
> > were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that
> > time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway
> > although I did at least boot it at that time.
> 
> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on
> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x
> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but
> definitely not a high speed archive :-)

https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/ has images going all the way back
to 1.3. Prior to 3.0 is in the "older-contrib" directory.

Cheers,
Tom

-- 
Sometimes I worry about being a success in a mediocre world.
		-- Lily Tomlin

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#273080

FromTim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk>
Date2024-09-14 17:40 +0200
Message-ID<JmD2p-cei5-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#273078
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Tom Furie wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 04:15:46PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:
>
>>> The oldest backups I still have go back to 2006 which, sadly, is way too
>>> modern. Checking the potato release information says security updates
>>> were discontinued in 2003. I switched from Redhat to Debian around that
>>> time so I'm likely not to have had any backups for potato anyway
>>> although I did at least boot it at that time.
>>
>> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on
>> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x
>> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but
>> definitely not a high speed archive :-)
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/ has images going all the way back
> to 1.3. Prior to 3.0 is in the "older-contrib" directory.
>

Thanks! I didn't see that "older-contrib" directory and I assumed they'd
been deleted.

That's downloading much, much faster than archive.org.

Tim.

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#273079

FromMichael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net>
Date2024-09-14 17:40 +0200
Message-ID<JmD2p-cei5-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#273077
On 14 Sep 2024 16:15 +0100, from debianuser@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall):
>> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I
>> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image.
> 
> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on
> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x
> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but
> definitely not a high speed archive :-)

There's also archive.debian.org. See for example
https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/images-1.44/

-- 
Michael Kjörling                     🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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#273081

FromTim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk>
Date2024-09-14 18:40 +0200
Message-ID<JmDYt-ceQf-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#273079

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Michael Kjörling wrote:

> On 14 Sep 2024 16:15 +0100, from debianuser@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall):
>>> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian images. I
>>> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image.
>>
>> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on
>> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x
>> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but
>> definitely not a high speed archive :-)
>
> There's also archive.debian.org. See for example
> https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/images-1.44/
>
>

This is fantastic, thanks all!

And for anyone who might want to do something like this in the future,
the only file I actually needed was:

https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/base2_2.tgz

I downloaded the CD, mounted it and got it that way but it can be
downloaded directly. I assume the other old things are similar.

I've managed to build versions going all the way back to 1999.

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#273085

FromChristian Groessler <chris@groessler.org>
Date2024-09-14 23:00 +0200
Message-ID<JmI25-chgB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#273081
Hi Tim,

On 9/14/24 6:32 PM, Tim Woodall wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2024 16:15 +0100, from debianuser@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall):
>>>> Is there anywhere I can download really, really ancient debian 
>>>> images. I
>>>> need potato or older (i386). I'd like a mountable disk image.
>>>
>>> And, of course, as soon as I sent that I found a potato CD on
>>> archive.org. Downloading now - it's going to take a while - about 20x
>>> faster than it would have been back in the day over dialup but
>>> definitely not a high speed archive :-)
>>
>> There's also archive.debian.org. See for example
>> https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks- 
>> i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/images-1.44/
>>
>>
> 
> This is fantastic, thanks all!
> 
> And for anyone who might want to do something like this in the future,
> the only file I actually needed was:
> 
> https://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks- 
> i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/base2_2.tgz
> 
> I downloaded the CD, mounted it and got it that way but it can be
> downloaded directly. I assume the other old things are similar.
> 
> I've managed to build versions going all the way back to 1999.


Now for the main question: Why do you need ancient Debian?


best regards,
chris

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#273087

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2024-09-15 08:00 +0200
Message-ID<JmQsF-cmrr-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 10:27:01PM +0200, Christian Groessler wrote:

[...]

> Now for the main question: Why do you need ancient Debian?

Was in the original post: "This is to build some ancient software."

(I've been in a similar situation myself)

Cheers
-- 
t

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#273088

FromAnders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-15 12:10 +0200
Message-ID<JmUmB-cpbn-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#273087
On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 7:59 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 10:27:01PM +0200, Christian Groessler wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Now for the main question: Why do you need ancient Debian?
>
> Was in the original post: "This is to build some ancient software."
>
> (I've been in a similar situation myself)

Just have to add a "me too". Often a piece of software that hasn't
been maintained for 20 years or so fails to compile, or the support
scripts are using tools no longer available etc. It's way easier to
FIRST make it work on the environment it was designed for, and then
gradually fix whatever prevents it from being built with modern tools.

I feel that this is one of the key strengths using free software.
While you can probably easily find old CDs with Windows 2000, and MAY
find old CDs with the popular development tools at the time, it may be
very difficult getting it to run legally (if you care) and just pray
that you don't need a non-existing dongle.

I'm very happy that debian offers even really ancient versions.

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