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  Re: nvidia package 340xx Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-08-23 13:10 +0200
    Re: nvidia package 340xx Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-08-23 14:00 +0200
      Re: nvidia package 340xx Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-08-23 16:10 +0200
        Re: nvidia package 340xx Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-08-23 16:50 +0200
      Re: nvidia package 340xx Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 04:40 +0200

#272483 — Re: nvidia package 340xx

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

> Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> writes:
>
>> Am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023, 19:15:18 CEST schrieb Richmond:
>>
>>> Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> As far as I remember the problem in Nvidia does not support kernels
>>
>>> above 4. This is why my laptop is stuck on Debian 10, although I
>> did
>>
>>> wonder if Debian 11 can run with kernel 4.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> (Nouveaux is no good to me).
>>
>>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>>
>> regarding to debian/sid the package supports kernels up to 6.2.
>>
>>
>> However, there are some issues, so it will segfault any
>> qt-windowmangers (at the moment) and got some security issues.
>>
>>
>> I succcessfully could build the sources with kernel-headers 6.0.1-9
>> (which with former kernels later than 5.10-22 did not work).
>>
>>
>> But sadly in the end I did not succced at all, as it did not load the
>> kernel modul and additionally it breaked my acceleration from the
>> inbuilt gpu of the intel processor.
>>
>>
>> So it was more a disappointment. On the other hand it could be, I
>> made some mistakes and should upgrade additional libs from unstable.
>>
>>
>> There is another thing, I also might done wrong (I wrote about some
>> weeks ago in this forum): lspci says it is
>>
>>
>> NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [Quadro NVS 4200M] (rev a1)
>>
>>
>> and nvidia-detect (and some other sources, are telling me, that for
>> this chipset NOT 340xx but 390xx should be used.
>>
>>
>> Thisis wrong, as I could prove, that only 340xx (with kernel 5.10-22)
>> is working. Installing 390xx, the kernel says: Wrong module, you have
>> to use 340xx.
>>
>>
>> This is the state at the moment. As I have only this laptop and no
>> spare harddrive at the moment, I could not install debian/unstable
>> for testing purposes. Maybe some time I will, or maybe some other guy
>> will do it.
>>
>>
>> Hope this makes some things clearer.
>
> Not really, but I found this website which says the driver supports
> kernels "up to" 5.4 which I guess means up to and including.
>
> https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/
>
> But debian seems to drop after debian 10 because kernel is 5.10 ?
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
>
> I see here someone has patched the drivers:
>
> https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy
>
> :-?
>
> Ubuntu 20.04 supports kernel 5.4 until 2025. So I might try that after
> debian 10 expires.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Linux_Kernel
>
> My card:
>
> nvidia-detect 
> Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G86M
> [GeForce 8400M GS] [10de:0427] (rev a1)
>
> Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] (rev a1)
> Your card is only supported up to the 340 legacy drivers series.
> It is recommended to install the
>     nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
> package.

I should read my own posts. I have now installed Ubuntu 22 with Kernel
5.4 and it is working with the above Nvidia card. But I have only kicked
the can down the road to April. I wonder if it will be possible to run
Debian 12 or 11 with a 5.4 kernel and nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver?

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#272485

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> I should read my own posts. I have now installed Ubuntu 22 with Kernel
> 5.4 and it is working with the above Nvidia card. But I have only kicked
> the can down the road to April. I wonder if it will be possible to run
> Debian 12 or 11 with a 5.4 kernel and nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver?

Should work.

I am running 6.9.7+bpo-amd64 with 340xx. I made a description, how I did, this should also 
work on 6.1. kernel. Although I aready sent it here, I repeat it (with some minor additions).


--------------------
Attention: Sometimes, nvidia-detect says, use 340xx-legacy, but I had some cases, where I in 
real had to use 390xx. 

So, if 340xx is not working, try 390xx.

Do it exactly in this order desribed below and you may read this site before.

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers[1][2][1]



1. Install module-assistant

2. Enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list 
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/[2][1] sid main contrib non-free non-free- firmware

3. apt update 

4. apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver firmware-misc-nonfree 

This should install all necessary files and build the kernel module. Here it did work.

5. Do NOT upgrade any other files! Do NOT aot upgrade or aptitude upgrade now although it 
will install many other packages. Ignore that! It will break your system!!   

7. Remove the sid entry from sources.list! (Very important!!!) 

8. Do again an  apt update. 

Thus you are not going into the danger, to install any more packages from sid.
 
9. If you need bumblebee or primusrun, because you have two GPUs (one in the CPU and 
one extern), then use the packages from stable. This will work!
 
My notebook is a Lenovo T520 with Intel CPU (and internal Intel GPU) and also NVidia GPU 
as external GPU (soldered on mainboard). 

I have to use optimus, to get my external GPU (NVidis) running.
 

--------------------

Hope, this helps. Ah, and last but not least: Big thanks to the lads and guys, who made 340xx 
and 390xx buildable again, great work! Big big thank you!!!  
Here on my system, 390xx is working like a charm.

Please feel free to ask for more.

Good luck!

Hans



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[1] https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
[2] http://deb.debian.org/debian/

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#272487

I tried something similar, but it didn't work, although...

Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> writes:

>
>
>
>
> 1. Install module-assistant

I didn't do this.

>
> 2. Enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/[1] sid main contrib non-free
> non-free- firmware
>
>
> 3. apt update
>
>
> 4. apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver firmware-misc-nonfree

At this point many packages were installed, I didn't get a choice, I am
not sure why.

Then system failed to boot X, so I scrapped it all.

> My notebook is a Lenovo T520 with Intel CPU (and internal Intel GPU)
> and also NVidia GPU as external GPU (soldered on mainboard).
>

I have a Dell Inspiron 1720. I may have another go in April.

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#272489

Am Freitag, 23. August 2024, 15:55:40 CEST schrieb Richmond:
> I tried something similar, but it didn't work, although...
> 
> Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> writes:
> > 1. Install module-assistant
> 
> I didn't do this.
> 
> > 2. Enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list
> > 
> > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/[1] sid main contrib non-free
> > non-free- firmware
> > 
> > 
> > 3. apt update
> > 
> > 
> > 4. apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver firmware-misc-nonfree
> 
> At this point many packages were installed, I didn't get a choice, I am
> not sure why.
> 
> Then system failed to boot X, so I scrapped it all.
> 
> > My notebook is a Lenovo T520 with Intel CPU (and internal Intel GPU)
> > and also NVidia GPU as external GPU (soldered on mainboard).
> 
> I have a Dell Inspiron 1720. I may have another go in April.
You need module-assistant for making sure, you got the kernel headers and 
compilers you need.

Running module-assistant is the easiest way to make sure of it.

I could write a new step-by-step procedure for bloddy noobs, but I am sure, I 
would annoying people with it.

Most problem is, people are installing other packages as recommended, because 
they believe, there are dependencies. Apt does show them. 

So as I advices, just install only the packages from sid for nvidia, nothing 
else. If not sure, download them manually and install with dpkg.

Just to explain: Enteringt sid into sources list and do an apt update will 
read the sourcs fropm list., then install only the two packages from sid (the 
needed dependencies from sid will be automatically installed). After this 
remove the entry of sid in sources.list and do an apt update again. This will 
remove all entries from the package list of sid in the cache of apt.

Now you can eecute module-assistant and get the kernel headers and compilers 
for compiling of your runninjg debian/stable.

As you have already downloaded the sources from sid, which has the higher 
version, these will be compiled.

If it compiles correctly without any crashes, you are good. Compiling is the 
main point here.

After compilation you must reboot, to unload nouveau driver an load kernel 
module 340x. 

To test, remove all login managers temporarly out of the way and in prompt do 
"startx". If X is now starting you are good, other wise you see, what fails.

If you have two graphic cards (one in the CPU mostly Intel, and the other 
NVidia), you need to switch it using bumblebee and primusrun. If bumblebee and 
primusrun are installed, you need to reboot, to activate it.

Then, when X is started, check it with "primusrun glxgears" in kconsole or 
xterm as normal user and see the output.

Note: If X is NOT started, you may try with 390xx, even when nvidia-detect and 
also the NVidia website is telling, your chip is 340x. I have two graphic 
cards, which di NOT run with 340xx (as recommended) but perfectly with 390xx.

Hope this helps.

Last time I compiled the 390xx is about a month ago, so it maybe something has 
changed, I did not recheck in the last weeks!

Best

Hans

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#272572

On 23/08/2024 18:51, Hans wrote:
> 
> 2. Enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
[...]
> 5. Do NOT upgrade any other files! Do NOT aot upgrade or aptitude 
> upgrade now although it will install many other packages. Ignore that! 
> It will break your system!!

It is rather fragile and so rather dangerous.

Use apt pinning to decrease priority of packages from sid, see 
apt_preferences(5). Notice that APT::Default-Release is deprecated, set 
Pin-Priority instead.

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