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  Replying to a conversation (Thread) Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com> - 2024-08-24 23:40 +0200
    Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-08-25 00:20 +0200
    Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-08-25 00:40 +0200
    Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) eben@gmx.us - 2024-08-25 00:50 +0200
    Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 01:50 +0200
    Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2024-08-25 02:10 +0200
    Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 04:20 +0200
      Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 07:40 +0200
        Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-08-25 09:50 +0200
        Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-25 18:10 +0200
          Re: Replying to a conversation (Thread) Darac Marjal <lists-debian-user@bendel.debian.org> - 2024-08-25 19:10 +0200

#272529 — Replying to a conversation (Thread)

Hello,

IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
the conversation? as of right now i'm just putting the debian-user
list email and the RE with the subject and replying that way.

I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?

Thanks
Joe B

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#272531

On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 14:36:09 -0700, Joe B wrote:
> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
> the conversation? as of right now i'm just putting the debian-user
> list email and the RE with the subject and replying that way.
> 
> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?

If your MUA doesn't have an explicit "reply to list" feature, then just
use "reply all", and remove everything except the list address from
the headers.

If you don't do a reply, then the In-Reply-To header which places your
message into the thread won't be set up, and your message will just
be a new thread with the same Subject as an existing one.  Some of the
archives may be clever enough to attempt thread joins via Subject header +
Date as well as the normal In-Reply-To header, but some may not.

If for some reason you ever NEED to construct a reply manually, what
you're doing is a good start.  You just need to copy the Message-Id
from the message to which you're replying, and add an In-Reply-To header:

    In-Reply-To: <messageid>

The <angle> <brackets> are literal here; you should add them.

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#272532

On Sunday, 25-08-2024 at 07:36 Joe B wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
> the conversation? 

Joe,

Is this what you are looking for?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
Debian Mailing Lists
debian-user
Community assistance and support for Debian users.
Support for Debian users who speak English. (High-volume mailing list.)

This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone.

Posting address: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subscribe / Unsubscribe


See also (which links to the above URL):

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe
 debian-user
    Support for Debian users who speak English. (High-volume mailing list.)
    Moderated: No     Subscription: open
    debian-user-digest is a read-only, digestified version. 

George.


> as of right now i'm just putting the debian-user
> list email and the RE with the subject and replying that way.
> 
> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?
> 
> Thanks
> Joe B
> 
> 

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#272533

On 8/24/24 17:36, Joe B wrote:
> Hello,
>
> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
> the conversation? as of right now i'm just putting the debian-user
> list email and the RE with the subject and replying that way.
>
> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?

In my email client (Thunderbird) there is a "Reply list" command, which sets
up the message-ID behind the scenes.  Yours may have a similar command.  I'm
not sure how one would do it manually.  Getting it slightly wrong would
result in a broken thread at best, and possibly an unparsaeble message.

--
Driscoll's Observation: The product of the IQs of each member
         of a tech-support conversation is a constant.

     -- Michael Driscoll on ASR

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#272537

On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 4:31 PM DdB
<debianlist@potentially-spam.de-bruyn.de> wrote:
>
> Am 24.08.2024 um 23:36 schrieb Joe B:
> > Hello,
> >
> > IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
> > the conversation? as of right now i'm just putting the debian-user
> > list email and the RE with the subject and replying that way.
> >
> > I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> > the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joe B
> >
> >
> i guess, it depends on your MUA.

I'm Using Android,

I'm mobile a lot so I need something for when I'm out and about. The
closest client i have to plain text, is
K-9 mail. It's no big deal because why would I be posting when I'm out
and about right ?

Thanks

> I am using thunderbird, and there are different ways to reply:
> reply, reply to all, reply to list (which is the one, you were looking
> for)...
>

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#272538

Hi there Joe,
see my slight answer in context.


On Sat, 24 Aug 2024, Joe B wrote:

> Hello,
  HiJoe and welcome, this is a fine question.

>
> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
> the conversation? as of right now i'm just putting the debian-user
> list email and the RE with the subject and replying that way.

Honestly, and speaking personally, like many conversations, it depends on 
how  you are  joining in as it were.

for example, I read all the list posts in my inbox.  therefore, for this 
message, I  chose reply, put something at the start so you knew what I was 
doing, and placed my answer under yours.  Much as if we were actually 
engaged in a conversation.  does that resonate?

>
> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?
I personally cannot speak to that idea.  I read using my  email client, 
pine for me, and  place that in context.  Speaking personally, keeping the 
subject line clear is helpful.  That also means changing that subject line 
if you are really starting a new idea so to speak.
If you are reading somewhere else,  perhaps others reading in the same 
fashion will offer ideas.
Hope this  gives you  a helpful way to share your perspective though!

Best,

Karen

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#272541

On 25/08/2024 04:36, Joe B wrote:
> 
> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
> the conversation?

If you are using gmail web UI and replying to a message from a mailbox 
then it should work, just use a proper button so send response to the 
mailing list, not a personal mail.

If you are using gmail web UI and trying to jump into a thread from an 
archive page, e.g.
<https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/CAEctfJLqBi-dn21cjcxH=tXf8EBwg9x+QYEjR=hTZQd86YynrQ@mail.gmail.com>
then "reply to list" links would not work. Gmail ignores In-Reply-To 
query parameter of the link. Most of desktop mail clients should respect it.

Perhaps https://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.user is a better 
alternative for web UI, but I have not tried it.

When replying from inbox, Gmail resets In-Reply-To and References 
threading headers when users edit subject field.

> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?

My impression is that it is impossible in gmail web UI.

Be careful with setting In-Reply-To and References from Thunderbird. 
There is a bug in the 115 ESR version. If you desperately need it then 
save a draft message to a file, edit the file, open edited file from 
Thunderbird.

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#272544

On August 24, 2024 7:10:08 PM PDT, Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 25/08/2024 04:36, Joe B wrote:
>> 
>> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
>> the conversation?
>
>If you are using gmail web UI and replying to a message from a mailbox then it should work, just use a proper button so send response to the mailing list, not a personal mail.
>
>If you are using gmail web UI and trying to jump into a thread from an archive page, e.g.
><https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/CAEctfJLqBi-dn21cjcxH=tXf8EBwg9x+QYEjR=hTZQd86YynrQ@mail.gmail.com>
>then "reply to list" links would not work. Gmail ignores In-Reply-To query parameter of the link. Most of desktop mail clients should respect it.
>
>Perhaps https://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.user is a better alternative for web UI, but I have not tried it.
>
>When replying from inbox, Gmail resets In-Reply-To and References threading headers when users edit subject field.
>
>> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
>> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?
>
>My impression is that it is impossible in gmail web UI.

Thanks. 

I gave up and now using K-9 mail and it seems to be working fine.

Thanks for all the help

Joe B


>Be careful with setting In-Reply-To and References from Thunderbird. There is a bug in the 115 ESR version. If you desperately need it then save a draft message to a file, edit the file, open edited file from Thunderbird.
>
>

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#272546

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On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 10:39:24PM -0700, Joe B wrote:
> On August 24, 2024 7:10:08 PM PDT, Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 25/08/2024 04:36, Joe B wrote:

[...]

> >> I noticed on the list there is a message id. is it possible to copy
> >> the message id to the email so the chain just keeps going ?
> >
> >My impression is that it is impossible in gmail web UI.
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> I gave up and now using K-9 mail and it seems to be working fine.

It is working fine. In-reply-to header is set. Thanks for caring!

Cheers
-- 
tomás

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#272558

On 25/08/2024 12:39, Joe B wrote:
>> On 25/08/2024 04:36, Joe B wrote:
>>>
>>> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
>>> the conversation?
[...]
> I gave up and now using K-9 mail and it seems to be working fine.

I use Thunderbird and IMAP for gmail. Perhaps I stressed too much on 
various issues. Threading works properly almost always.

There is a number of annoying bugs in Thunderbird, but I expect to face 
more inconveniences in other mailers.

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#272560

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On 25/08/2024 17:01, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 25/08/2024 12:39, Joe B wrote:
>>> On 25/08/2024 04:36, Joe B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IF i see a thread i want to jump into to help out how can i be part of
>>>> the conversation?
> [...]
>> I gave up and now using K-9 mail and it seems to be working fine.
>
> I use Thunderbird and IMAP for gmail. Perhaps I stressed too much on 
> various issues. Threading works properly almost always.
>
> There is a number of annoying bugs in Thunderbird, but I expect to 
> face more inconveniences in other mailers.
>
For the record, K-9 Mail has been adopted by the Thunderbird project and 
will, in the next major release, be rebranded as Thunderbird.

(Source: 
https://blog.thunderbird.net/2022/06/faq-thunderbird-mobile-and-k-9-mail/)

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