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  Any good Debian books highly recommended Eric Richards <2eric.richards@gmail.com> - 2024-08-24 18:10 +0200
    Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-08-24 18:20 +0200
    Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended Ryan Nowakowski <ryan@fattuba.com> - 2024-08-26 02:40 +0200
      Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> - 2024-08-26 02:50 +0200
      Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 04:00 +0200
        Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> - 2024-08-26 09:00 +0200
          Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 11:00 +0200
            Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 07:50 +0200
          Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-08-27 12:50 +0200
      Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com> - 2024-08-26 04:20 +0200
    Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-08-27 09:40 +0200
    Re: Any good Debian books highly recommended <hohe72@posteo.de> - 2024-09-03 00:00 +0200

#272521 — Any good Debian books highly recommended

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Hello
As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for
that matter.

I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review and the
buyer wishes he could get his money back





*From Eric.*


*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *


*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford a
holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell phones,
it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
*es. *

*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter, it
works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school holidays and
school days,  *


*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it out.
*

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#272522

On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 04:08:27AM +1200, Eric Richards wrote:
> Hello
> As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for
> that matter.
> 
> I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review and the
> buyer wishes he could get his money back
> 

debian-handbook package also available as a printed book

https://debian-handbook.info/ should give more details.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 
(amacater@debian.org)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From Eric.*
> 
> 
> *Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *
> 
> 
> *Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford a
> holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell phones,
> it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
> *es. *
> 
> *Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter, it
> works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school holidays and
> school days,  *
> 
> 
> *Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it out.
> *

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#272566

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I really like The Debian System by Martin Krafft 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since Debian hasn't changed that much.

On August 24, 2024 11:08:27 AM CDT, Eric Richards <2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello
>As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for
>that matter.
>
>I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review and the
>buyer wishes he could get his money back
>
>
>
>
>
>*From Eric.*
>
>
>*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *
>
>
>*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford a
>holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell phones,
>it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
>*es. *
>
>*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter, it
>works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school holidays and
>school days,  *
>
>
>*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it out.
>*

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#272568

On Sun, 2024-08-25 at 19:17 -0500, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:
> I really like The Debian System by Martin Krafft 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> 
> It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since
> Debian hasn't changed that much.

In fact, No Starch Press is an excellent resource on anything open
source.
My first call.

https://nostarch.com/

Cheers!
> 
> On August 24, 2024 11:08:27 AM CDT, Eric Richards
> <2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello
> > As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or
> > Linux for
> > that matter.
> > 
> > I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review
> > and the
> > buyer wishes he could get his money back
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *From Eric.*
> > 
> > 
> > *Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *
> > 
> > 
> > *Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not
> > afford a
> > holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell
> > phones,
> > it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
> > *es. *
> > 
> > *Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian
> > counter, it
> > works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school
> > holidays and
> > school days,  *
> > 
> > 
> > *Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it
> > out.
> > *

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#272569

On 26/8/24 08:17, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:
> I really like The Debian System by Martin Krafft
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
> 
> It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since Debian 
> hasn't changed that much.
> 

20 years old means it's missing all the systemd stuff. That's quite 
important.

[Off topic]

>     */Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian
>     counter, it works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between
>     school holidays and school days, /*
> 
>     */Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it
>     out. //
>     /*

Pedestrian cross buttons are used as an input to a computer that 
determines what next phase to set and when. If you don't press it, you 
won't ever get a pedestrian phase unless the phase is linked to a 
traffic movement phase.

Pedestrian buttons are push to break rather than push to make. You can 
push them as hard as you like and it won't make an difference. They wear 
out only because people whack and kick them so much.

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Regarding the following, written by "jeremy ardley" on 2024-08-26 at 09:58 Uhr GMT:
>>It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since 
>>Debian hasn't changed that much.
>
>20 years old means it's missing all the systemd stuff. That's quite 
>important.

True. However, systemd is also not Debian-specific, and just like I 
never covered specifics of the Linux kernel or GNU utilities, I am 
no sure how much of systemd would actually have its place in this 
book.

That said, there's a lot of coverage of `init.d` and related Debian 
hacks, such as `update-rc.d`, which are now no longer really 
relevant.

So yeah, the book is ancient, no irrelevant, but I've also moved on 
with life and won't have the time to write an updated version. If 
anyone cared enough to do so, I'd happily put you in touch with Open 
Source Press (the original publisher) and/or NoStarch.

Take care,

-- 
  .''`.   martin f. krafft <madduck@d.o>
: :'  :  proud Debian developer
`. `'`   http://people.debian.org/~madduck
   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems
  
on the other hand, you have different fingers.

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#272584

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 1:06 AM martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> wrote:
>
> Regarding the following, written by “jeremy ardley” on 2024-08-26 at 09:58 Uhr GMT:
>
> It’s almost 20 years old now but it’s still pretty relevant since Debian hasn’t changed that much.


> True. However, systemd is also not Debian-specific, and just like I never covered specifics of the Linux kernel or GNU utilities, I am no sure how much of systemd would actually have its place in this book.
>
> That said, there’s a lot of coverage of init.d and related Debian hacks, such as update-rc.d, which are now no longer really relevant.

I just found out about this book today and it seems interesting. Even
though we are using systemd now im assuming the package commands are
the same right ? aptitude and apt ? IF so i will get the book. I'm new
to debian and have so many bookmarks now and i will keep going till
i'm good at it and can answer questions that people have

Thanks

Joe B

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#272610

On August 26, 2024 9:10:48 PM PDT, Martin Krafft <mail@martin-krafft.net> wrote:


>I'll send you a book if you pay postage from Germany. Commands have evolved. The described ones still work, but there are now improved tools/commands like apt, which are not covered.
>----------------------------------------

How do we set this up?

How much is postage ?  Email me the information.

Can't wait.

Joe

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#272612

I can hardly believe it's been 20 years since you wrote that.
We're all getting old!

It's good to see your name on the mailing lists again!

-- 
Please do not CC me for listmail.

👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
✎	 jmtd@debian.org
🔗	https://jmtd.net

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#272571

On August 25, 2024 5:17:22 PM PDT, Ryan Nowakowski <ryan@fattuba.com> wrote:
>I really like The Debian System by Martin Krafft 
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593270690/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
>It's almost 20 years old now but it's still pretty relevant since Debian hasn't changed that much.

Thanks for the website link. 

Glad to have knowledge and this wonderful community.

My distro hopping days are over. I'm learning so much being on sid

Thanks 


>On August 24, 2024 11:08:27 AM CDT, Eric Richards <2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Hello
>>As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for
>>that matter.
>>
>>I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review and the
>>buyer wishes he could get his money back
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>*From Eric.*
>>
>>
>>*Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *
>>
>>
>>*Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford a
>>holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell phones,
>>it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
>>*es. *
>>
>>*Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter, it
>>works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school holidays and
>>school days,  *
>>
>>
>>*Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it out.
>>*

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#272611

On 2024-08-25, Eric Richards wrote:

> Hello
> As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux for
> that matter.
>
> I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review and the
> buyer wishes he could get his money back

Very good book based on bullseye, freely available online, as paperback
or as ebook
https://debian-handbook.info/

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#272840

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Hi,
here is no such thing like a Computer book what covers everything.

So go for an general purpose UNIX book.
Then for an advanced one covering Linux or Debian. Maybe an Admin Guide.
Because an Beginners Guide cannot cover every Shell available in detail,
you might buy a guide to your favoured shell.
For every day problems do the error on Google, cause some hints are
volatile.
Save money by installing man pages.

So first try to get an overview, then zoom in the topics needed. Go to
a book store and to scan through a book. Amazon will not help here.

This is an general advice,
Holger

ps:
Same goes for programming languages:
First go for language basics (the standard).
Then for advanced UNIX-programming or the Windows programming
or whatever you do.
And don't hesitate to by a book for C++ Templates only -- if required.
Here is no way it's being covered at a beginners guide usefully.



On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 04:08:27 +1200
Eric Richards <2eric.richards@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello
> As the Subject says Any good Debian books highly recommended or Linux
> for that matter.
> 
> I found one the other day Debian 12,  it only had a one star review
> and the buyer wishes he could get his money back
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From Eric.*
> 
> 
> *Sent from Raspberry Pi 5 *
> 
> 
> *Now we have wasted all our money on Widescreen TV and can not afford
> a holiday, a lot of news clips are shown in narrow vision from cell
> phones, it looks like the TV news producers have lost their marbl*
> *es. *
> 
> *Pedestrian "Cross Now" button is NOT wired to a pedestrian counter,
> it works on traffic flow, in fact it can change between school
> holidays and school days,  *
> 
> 
> *Sometimes the button does not work, because people like wearing it
> out. *

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