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| Started by | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| First post | 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100 |
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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTkVr-gJaq-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275656 |
On 12/13/24 12:26, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:37:46AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: >> IMNSHO the installer is busted. But mentioning that was a no-no. > Have you actually ever reported a bug against debian-installer for this > behaviour though? I'm guessing they would first ask for the install log > that it writes into root's home directory. > > If you have, can you tell us the bug number? > > If you haven't, I think you should. Perhaps phrase it as "I don't > understand why assistive technologies are enabled on every install I do, > can you tell me please?" > > Thanks, > Andy I'd file a new bug, if i could but bugs.debian.org thinks I'm a spammer and rejects it. Paranoia is fine in today's world, but do ID like the banks do when you try to use a new firefox, send a code you must return to prove you are who you say would be a good start, As is, I can't even get close enough to read them and drive crashes have long since erased any reference I might have recorded from then. What am I supposed to do, paint them on the wall? I bought two new 2T Seagates to install bookworm on, spent a week copying almost 26 years worth of my personal history to them, 2 weeks later both of them died, going off line in the middle of the night, so I lost stuff that went back to Feb. 98. So that started my saga with bookworm which has been the 5th great disappointment in my life. The first 4 were burying my first wife, and one at a time, the three children she gave me. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTl57-gJAF-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275664 |
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 15:50:06 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > I'd file a new bug, if i could but bugs.debian.org thinks I'm a spammer and > rejects it. Show us. > What am I supposed to do, paint them on the wall? If you can't send it using your normal email user agent, generate the bug report in a file and paste it into the body of a message that you compose using whatever crappy web-mail account you have (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc.).
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTlHP-gKjY-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275666 |
On 12/13/24 16:00, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 15:50:06 -0500, gene heskett wrote: >> I'd file a new bug, if i could but bugs.debian.org thinks I'm a spammer and >> rejects it. > Show us. > Why bother. >> What am I supposed to do, paint them on the wall? > If you can't send it using your normal email user agent, generate the > bug report in a file and paste it into the body of a message that you > compose using whatever crappy web-mail account you have (gmail, hotmail, > yahoo, etc.). Don't swear at me please. The biggest src of phishing mail is gmail, with outlook.com and hotmail a close 2nd. > . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTtm1-gUr8-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275664 |
On 12/13/24 12:50, gene heskett wrote: > I bought two new 2T Seagates to install > bookworm on, spent a week copying almost 26 years worth of my personal > history to them, 2 weeks later both of them died, going off line in the > middle of the night, so I lost stuff that went back to Feb. 98. So that > started my saga with bookworm which has been the 5th great > disappointment in my life. I see some references to the drive failures in the debian-user mailing list archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=debian-user%40lists.debian.org&q=heskett+seagate+2T&x=0&y=0 Have you contacted Seagate to see if the drives are eligible for Rescue Data Recovery Services? https://www.seagate.com/products/rescue-data-recovery/ > The first 4 were burying my first wife, and one at a time, the three > children she gave me. You have my condolences. David
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTBjz-gZsr-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275679 |
On 12/14/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: > On 12/13/24 12:50, gene heskett wrote: >> I bought two new 2T Seagates to install bookworm on, spent a week >> copying almost 26 years worth of my personal history to them, 2 weeks >> later both of them died, going off line in the middle of the night, >> so I lost stuff that went back to Feb. 98. So that started my saga >> with bookworm which has been the 5th great disappointment in my life. > > > I see some references to the drive failures in the debian-user mailing > list archives: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=debian-user%40lists.debian.org&q=heskett+seagate+2T&x=0&y=0 > > > > Have you contacted Seagate to see if the drives are eligible for > Rescue Data Recovery Services? > > https://www.seagate.com/products/rescue-data-recovery/ Screw seagate with a hot branding iron., they used the marketplace to test a tech that wasn't ready for prime time and likely never will be. In my employment history I learned a thing or two about helium as I probably tested the pressure regulatores that gave John Glenn his first rides, primarily that man has no material that will contain it, the molecule is so small it walks right thru 2" of monel metal, about 10% of it a day.. Seagate filled those drives with helium because it allows the head to fly closeer to the disk, but a month later the helium was gone. Then it turned out they were shingled, meaning the tracks were partially overlapped. They used me for a lab rat and I damned sure didn't appreciate that, not when it was my $250. Seagate will never again get a penny from me. Over the next year every spinning rust but 1 in my machine tools died and was replaced with SSD's. Today I have 1 256Gig spinning rust drive remaining, that seems to have been the magic number for long life as it now nearly 100k spinning hours on it and still running fine. But I've since found Chinese SSD's seem to fail at higher rates, so the last batch I hve bought are taiwanese with 5 of their 4T drives being tested to see if they'll serve as a backup server running amanda, no indications of failures have surfaced so far in nearly a year. Sone gigastones, some Silicon Power are powered up but mostly idle, all 2T's. So far, so good, o;der Samsungs .5T's are 4 years old and in the far side of the bathtub for failures already. Probably more than you wanted to know. The nand gate models seem to die faster. I won't buy any more of them. Older, smaller kingston and adata seem to last forever. It doessn't take a huge drive to run a machine tool with linuxcnc. I have two smaller ones on a rpi4, been running a devel systen and a 85 yo 11x56 Sheldon lathe for oveer a decade, zip problems except the usb-sata adapters, put in a startech, drive was fine.. Was a pi3 originally. > >> The first 4 were burying my first wife, and one at a time, the three >> children she gave me. >> That's old history now. 1st had a killer stroke at 34, 2nd (17 years, >> came with 3 of jerry's kids, md, made 3 more boys) has passed, and >> 3rd (31 years has passed from COPD. Now I'm just an old fart, >> puttering around alone in a 3 bedroom ranchette. > You have my condolences. > Thank you. > > David > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTBWh-gZWo-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275688 |
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 09:23:33AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On 12/14/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: > > On 12/13/24 12:50, gene heskett wrote: [...] > Screw seagate with a hot branding iron., they used the marketplace to test a > tech that wasn't ready for prime time and likely never will be. In my > employment history I learned a thing or two about helium as I probably > tested the pressure regulatores that gave John Glenn his first rides, > primarily that man has no material that will contain it, the molecule is so > small it walks right thru 2" of monel metal [...] C'mon. You keep repeating this story. It's simply wrong. It's harder to make a helium tight gasket, true. But quite possible. This is physics, not magic. Cheers -- t
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTDbI-h0G5-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275695 |
On 12/14/24 10:07, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 09:23:33AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: >> On 12/14/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: >>> On 12/13/24 12:50, gene heskett wrote: > [...] > >> Screw seagate with a hot branding iron., they used the marketplace to test a >> tech that wasn't ready for prime time and likely never will be. In my >> employment history I learned a thing or two about helium as I probably >> tested the pressure regulatores that gave John Glenn his first rides, >> primarily that man has no material that will contain it, the molecule is so >> small it walks right thru 2" of monel metal [...] > C'mon. You keep repeating this story. It's simply wrong. Stellardyne labs in sandy eggo caught the exhausted helium from testing atlas pressure regulators in a 50,000 gallon steel tank, then a 6 stage cardox compressor pumped that back into a rack of monel bottles, about 15 of them 12 foot tall. tested with soapy water weekly for leakage. If you looked closely when the tanks were wet, bubbles could be seen forming on the outside of the tanks. Our std night shift procedure was to pump the big tank down to under 2 or 3 psi, which put the bottles up around 7400 to 7800 psi at midnight. The morning shift at 8AM had 5200 psi to play with till the truck got there. Around a 2500 diff. Where did the rest of it go? That, in those days helium was automatically owned by the government and nominally $100k of it was supplied by 2 or 3 truckloads a week for leakage makeup. But no leaks were found. Helium, once free, makes a bee line for outer space, gone forever. What are we going to do when we run out? Mine a star? Stars are the only other src of it, blowing it all out in the death throe of a supernova. They make it in the heart of the star as stage 1 of their life, which our star has been doing for around 5 billion years and will continue to do for another 5 billion. > > It's harder to make a helium tight gasket, true. But quite possible. > > This is physics, not magic. you are correct, it is physics. Tell helium that. > > Cheers Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTEhs-h1jv-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275701 |
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > Our std night shift procedure was to pump the big tank down to under 2 or 3 > psi, which put the bottles up around 7400 to 7800 psi at midnight. The > morning shift at 8AM had 5200 psi to play with till the truck got there. > Around a 2500 diff. Where did the rest of it go? My bet is still on high-school thermodynamics. The pressure of a given amount of gas in a given volume is proportional to its absolute temperature. Pressure reduction from 7400 to 5200 would correspond to a temperature reduction from e.g. 427 Kelvin (309 F, more than boiling hot but not glowing) to 300 Kelvin (80 F, luke warm). Helium is known to heat up much during compression: https://www.bauercomp.com/products/helium "helium releases large amounts of heat when compressed, which the compressor must be able to absorb and shed." This diagram looks like it's getting really hot: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilp2QY9nqT0RsVCmojeGCq8gBn5XqUU_wdRex72kjNSWqe4BeXlbHhREPx-M-YrwAx3txSi16MX3IJgj5dh1dRJ5dKVunIFsVhieC-ioX35I9iT7qQm7PE1azs-jq_A43XlvYV4PfMXCw/s640/adiabatic+compression.png (I expect the compressor to have disposed a lot through its cooling rips.) In the bottles it has lots of surface per volume to dissipate heat over night. We should now discuss our options for building a time machine which can send an oven thermometer back to the 1960s. Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTGVX-h2Zs-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275707 |
On 12/14/24 12:31, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gene Heskett wrote: >> Our std night shift procedure was to pump the big tank down to under 2 or 3 >> psi, which put the bottles up around 7400 to 7800 psi at midnight. The >> morning shift at 8AM had 5200 psi to play with till the truck got there. >> Around a 2500 diff. Where did the rest of it go? > My bet is still on high-school thermodynamics. > > The pressure of a given amount of gas in a given volume is proportional > to its absolute temperature. Pressure reduction from 7400 to 5200 would > correspond to a temperature reduction from e.g. 427 Kelvin (309 F, more > than boiling hot but not glowing) to 300 Kelvin (80 F, luke warm). > > Helium is known to heat up much during compression: > https://www.bauercomp.com/products/helium > "helium releases large amounts of heat when compressed, which the > compressor must be able to absorb and shed." > This diagram looks like it's getting really hot: > https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilp2QY9nqT0RsVCmojeGCq8gBn5XqUU_wdRex72kjNSWqe4BeXlbHhREPx-M-YrwAx3txSi16MX3IJgj5dh1dRJ5dKVunIFsVhieC-ioX35I9iT7qQm7PE1azs-jq_A43XlvYV4PfMXCw/s640/adiabatic+compression.png > (I expect the compressor to have disposed a lot through its cooling rips.) Have you ever seen a cardox compressor? This one had intercoolers bigger than the cylinders. Fitst cylinder was around a cubic foot per stroke, next on about a quart, till the 6th one was about 2 cc's. had a 12 foot high chainlink fence and a roof over it. This is the compressor used by anyone doing air reduction as it could act like a smelter by cooling the output to separate the gases according to their boiling points. The 12 foot chainlink fence was more to contain the pieces should it let go than to keep people at semi-safe distances. No one was allowed in sight of it when it was running. I've BTDT, have you? > In the bottles it has lots of surface per volume to dissipate heat > over night. > > We should now discuss our options for building a time machine which can > send an oven thermometer back to the 1960s. > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTTqa-haSQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275715 |
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > Have you ever seen a cardox compressor? No. I never compressed helium to ~500 bar pressure. Did you have a chance to check the temperature at the pressured outlet ? > This one had intercoolers bigger > than the cylinders. Fitst cylinder was around a cubic foot per stroke, next > on about a quart, till the 6th one was about 2 cc's. The internet data about heat production during compression of helium indicate that there is a lot of heat to dispose. If "cc" means cubic centimeters then a cylinder of that volume has few surface to get rid of hundreds of Kelvins. So it is not outruled that the compressed gas reached the pressure storage hotter than boiling water. The internet gives no technical data which would put the diffusion coefficient of helium higher than the one of hydrogen. In contrary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium states "helium diffuses through solids at a rate three times that of air and around 65% that of hydrogen. [30] ... [30] Hampel, Clifford A. (1968). The Encyclopedia of the Chemical Elements. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold. pp. 256–268. ISBN 978-0-442-15598-8." (I have seen hydrogen tanks under high pressure.) In a previous mail, Gene Heskett wrote: > What are we going to do when we run out? Mine a star? We wait until alpha-decay of radiocative elements in the earth has produced more helium. Alpha particles are helium atoms without electrons. When the particles slow down they catch electrons from the environment and become complete helium atoms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium states "Most helium on Earth is a result of radioactive decay. Helium is found in large amounts in minerals of uranium and thorium, [...] Because helium is trapped in the subsurface under conditions that also trap natural gas, the greatest natural concentrations of helium on the planet are found in natural gas" Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTYSR-hem0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275715 |
On 15/12/2024 03:24, gene heskett wrote: > On 12/14/24 12:31, Thomas Schmitt wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Our std night shift procedure was to pump the big tank down to under >>> 2 or 3 >>> psi, which put the bottles up around 7400 to 7800 psi at midnight. The >>> morning shift at 8AM had 5200 psi to play with till the truck got there. >>> Around a 2500 diff. Where did the rest of it go? >> >> The pressure of a given amount of gas in a given volume is proportional >> to its absolute temperature. Pressure reduction from 7400 to 5200 would >> correspond to a temperature reduction from e.g. 427 Kelvin (309 F, more >> than boiling hot but not glowing) to 300 Kelvin (80 F, luke warm). The next step would be calculation of ideal gas temperature in a vessel after filling it from atmospheric pressure to 7500 psi (rather high value) neglecting heat dissipation through the vessel walls. (Side not: compressor thrust may be hot as well) +100 K difference does not look like an overestimate from my point of view. > I've BTDT, have you? Heating during filling was mentioned previous time as well and sounds reasonable.
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JU14l-hfE9-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275741 |
On 12/15/24 10:31, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 15/12/2024 03:24, gene heskett wrote: >> On 12/14/24 12:31, Thomas Schmitt wrote: >>> Gene Heskett wrote: >>>> Our std night shift procedure was to pump the big tank down to >>>> under 2 or 3 >>>> psi, which put the bottles up around 7400 to 7800 psi at midnight. The >>>> morning shift at 8AM had 5200 psi to play with till the truck got >>>> there. >>>> Around a 2500 diff. Where did the rest of it go? >>> >>> The pressure of a given amount of gas in a given volume is proportional >>> to its absolute temperature. Pressure reduction from 7400 to 5200 would >>> correspond to a temperature reduction from e.g. 427 Kelvin (309 F, more >>> than boiling hot but not glowing) to 300 Kelvin (80 F, luke warm). > > The next step would be calculation of ideal gas temperature in a > vessel after filling it from atmospheric pressure to 7500 psi (rather > high value) neglecting heat dissipation through the vessel walls. > > (Side not: compressor thrust may be hot as well) +100 K difference > does not look like an overestimate from my point of view. > I think you may have miss-spelled the adjective describing how hot. In this case the cardox was about 100 feet away so there was lots of pipe to absorb and radiate the heat of compression. The motor that ran it was something in the 250 horse category, running on 440 3 phase. Breaker was in the bunkhouse, sounded like a 10 ga shotgun. First time I'd seen a GE AK-225 but I've seen and rebuilt several since. in my BC engineering, most UHF transmitters in the 70's used a bit over 275 KWH to generate 30 KW of power to the antenna. None of those left, we have better, cheaper, and more efficient power amplifiers now. >> I've BTDT, have you? > > Heating during filling was mentioned previous time as well and sounds > reasonable. > > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTG9z-h2sg-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275701 |
On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:21:03AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > tested with soapy water weekly for leakage. If you looked closely when > the tanks were wet, bubbles could be seen forming on the outside of > the tanks. Well, this has certainly become quite the Gene thread hasn't it? Is it about a computer staying up for only a minute? Is it about Thunderbird not working? Is it about mysterious assistive technologies verbally taunting Gene forevermore? Is it about a frustrating ~30 second pause whenever a GUI file dialog is displayed? Is it about Debian's bug tracker considering Gene's emails spam so none of these complaints can ever be reported to anyone who could fix any of it, if indeed it is not user error? Is it about an entire industry being foolish with helium against Gene's better knowledge? Is it about soap bubbles on the outside of some bottles? All of the above! Forever! Merry Christmas everyone! We've obviously all been bad children. -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTGCC-h2St-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275709 |
On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 07:32:04PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: >Well, this has certainly become quite the Gene thread hasn't it? Hey, at least nobody is wasting any time on clean installs.
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTGCC-h2St-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275709 |
Hi, Andy Smith wrote: > Merry Christmas everyone! We've obviously all been bad children. Yay ! Lumps of coal for everyone ! Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTHfj-h36V-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275709 |
On 12/14/24 14:32, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:21:03AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: >> tested with soapy water weekly for leakage. If you looked closely when >> the tanks were wet, bubbles could be seen forming on the outside of >> the tanks. > Well, this has certainly become quite the Gene thread hasn't it? > > Is it about a computer staying up for only a minute? > > Is it about Thunderbird not working? > > Is it about mysterious assistive technologies verbally taunting Gene > forevermore? > > Is it about a frustrating ~30 second pause whenever a GUI file dialog is > displayed? > > Is it about Debian's bug tracker considering Gene's emails spam so none > of these complaints can ever be reported to anyone who could fix any of > it, if indeed it is not user error? > > Is it about an entire industry being foolish with helium against Gene's > better knowledge? > > Is it about soap bubbles on the outside of some bottles? > > All of the above! Forever! Merry Christmas everyone! We've obviously all > been bad children. Love your humor Andy, and I concur. Merry Christmas everybody. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTCfE-h03A-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275688 |
On 14/12/2024 21:23, gene heskett wrote: > In my employment history I learned a thing or two about helium as I > probably tested the pressure regulatores that gave John Glenn his first > rides, primarily that man has no material that will contain it, the > molecule is so small it walks right thru 2" of monel metal, about 10% of > it a day.. Stay on topic if you wish to have your issues solved. Please, stop spreading this nonsense, you repeated it ~4 times over a couple of years and it is becoming boring. Helium diffusion is critical for vacuum systems. Proper high pressure vessel is able to store it long enough. I admit it is hard to seal HDD tightly enough, but it is unrelated to your rocket science experience. I would not consider it for application other than extremely high load where drives are anyway thrown away every year or even more frequently.
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTDbH-h0G5-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275688 |
On 12/14/24 06:23, gene heskett wrote: > On 12/14/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: >> Have you contacted Seagate to see if the drives are eligible for >> Rescue Data Recovery Services? >> >> https://www.seagate.com/products/rescue-data-recovery/ > > Screw seagate with a hot branding iron., they used the marketplace to > test a tech that wasn't ready for prime time and likely never will be. > In my employment history I learned a thing or two about helium as I > probably tested the pressure regulatores that gave John Glenn his first > rides, primarily that man has no material that will contain it, the > molecule is so small it walks right thru 2" of monel metal, about 10% of > it a day.. Seagate filled those drives with helium because it allows the > head to fly closeer to the disk, but a month later the helium was gone. > Then it turned out they were shingled, meaning the tracks were partially > overlapped. They used me for a lab rat and I damned sure didn't > appreciate that, not when it was my $250. Seagate will never again get > a penny from me. 26 years of lost data is huge. If you can ship your failed drives to Seagate and get back new drives with all or part of your data, then that is worth a try. Fill out the Seagate web page for each drive, submit, and see what happens. Document everything. What is the make and model of the failed drives? I see your complaints in the mail list archives starting around May 30, 2022, but not those details: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/05/msg00823.html David
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JTDEJ-h0Qv-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275700 |
On 12/14/24 11:28, David Christensen wrote: > On 12/14/24 06:23, gene heskett wrote: >> On 12/14/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: >>> Have you contacted Seagate to see if the drives are eligible for >>> Rescue Data Recovery Services? >>> >>> https://www.seagate.com/products/rescue-data-recovery/ >> >> Screw seagate with a hot branding iron., they used the marketplace to >> test a tech that wasn't ready for prime time and likely never will >> be. In my employment history I learned a thing or two about helium as >> I probably tested the pressure regulatores that gave John Glenn his >> first rides, primarily that man has no material that will contain it, >> the molecule is so small it walks right thru 2" of monel metal, about >> 10% of it a day.. Seagate filled those drives with helium because it >> allows the head to fly closeer to the disk, but a month later the >> helium was gone. Then it turned out they were shingled, meaning the >> tracks were partially overlapped. They used me for a lab rat and I >> damned sure didn't appreciate that, not when it was my $250. Seagate >> will never again get a penny from me. > > > 26 years of lost data is huge. If you can ship your failed drives to > Seagate and get back new drives with all or part of your data, then > that is worth a try. Fill out the Seagate web page for each drive, > submit, and see what happens. Document everything. > > > What is the make and model of the failed drives? I see your > complaints in the mail list archives starting around May 30, 2022, but > not those details: I was so pissed at the time I pitched them into the trash that they were. They simply dropped off the end of the cable, and the bios couldn't find a trace of either. Cable good, probably got a drive (SSD) on it right now. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/05/msg00823.html > > > David > > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSVu2-grNv-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275588 |
On 12/12/24 12:30, David Christensen wrote: > On 12/12/24 00:44, gene heskett wrote: >> >> On 12/11/24 23:52, David Christensen wrote: >>> On 12/11/24 17:42, gene heskett wrote: >>>> First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial interfaced one >>>> on my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color computer >>> >>> >>> I thought you ran a graphical desktop environment (?). Doing so >>> without a pointing device sounds like a lot of work. >>> >>> >>> If a lack of a pointing device causes d-i to install accessibility >>> tools that you do not want, I suggest connecting a pointing device >>> during installation. >> >> The point you are missing is hat the mouse is a wireless mouse, rx'd >> by a usb button. > > > So, that mouse is incompatible with d-i. Use a mouse that is > compatible. I prefer Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical USB and PS/2 > Compatible. They work with every computer and KVM switch I use. They are all logitek's, if they were bad, the whole world would know it. > > David > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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