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  Audacious media player - help using GUI Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-12-10 13:00 +0100
    Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-12-10 18:00 +0100
      Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2024-12-10 18:40 +0100
        Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-12-11 02:10 +0100
          Media newbie meets VLC was [Re: Audacious media player - help using  GUI] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-12-12 14:50 +0100
      Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-12-11 02:00 +0100
        Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-12-11 03:30 +0100
    Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 05:40 +0100
      Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-12-11 12:10 +0100
    Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Jan Claeys <lists@janc.be> - 2024-12-13 17:00 +0100
      Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-12-14 12:40 +0100
    Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Greg <curtyshoo@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 15:00 +0100
      Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2025-03-12 15:20 +0100

#275452 — Audacious media player - help using GUI

I'm using Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0
I date back to days of Z80 systems using CPM.
Never had need for audio.

Now have lectures I want to listen to and was referred to audacious.
Install and initial trial went well.
Its man-page - terse!

I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"

Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
What should I be reading?

TIA

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#275460

On Tue 10 Dec 2024 at 05:54:24 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm using Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0
> I date back to days of Z80 systems using CPM.
> Never had need for audio.
> 
> Now have lectures I want to listen to and was referred to audacious.
> Install and initial trial went well.
> Its man-page - terse!
> 
> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.

I use the traditional winamp interface, which takes up less space
on the screen. Generally, I use ordinary keys to control it.
In addition, ^Q quits, ^R toggles Time Remaining, ^D toggles
a larger rendition when needed, and ^P opens Settings.

Space toggles pause/resume
c     ditto
x     starts/restarts track
v     stops track
a     begins/ends/cancels a loop
r     toggles repeat button
s     toggles random button
← →   skip 5 seconds (configurable)

dfijlopy and a few control keys open various dialog boxes,
but I don't use it at that level: I just press Return on
the filename in mc and a window pops up and plays.

> Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"

There's a slider that progresses as the track plays: drag it.

> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
> What should I be reading?

No idea. I'm not sure what you mean by "taking notes tied …". You'd
have to elaborate what you want to physically do (in terms of clicks,
keystrokes etc), and what you want the end result to be: file(s) etc,
containing what?

Cheers,
David.

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#275462

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> > I'm using Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0
> > I date back to days of Z80 systems using CPM.
> > Never had need for audio.
> > 
> > Now have lectures I want to listen to and was referred to audacious.
> > Install and initial trial went well.
> > Its man-page - terse!
> > 
> > I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
> > My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.


You might want to take a look at VLC. Lots of docs:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=vlc+documentation&ia=web

And this 80+ year old ex audio engineer with failing hearing appreciates VLC's compressor and graphic equalizer.


--
Glenn English
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#275478

On 12/10/24 11:30 AM, ghe2001 wrote:
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>>> I'm using Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0
>>> I date back to days of Z80 systems using CPM.
>>> Never had need for audio.
>>>
>>> Now have lectures I want to listen to and was referred to audacious.
>>> Install and initial trial went well.
>>> Its man-page - terse!
>>>
>>> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
>>> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
> 
> 
> You might want to take a look at VLC. Lots of docs:
> 
> https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=vlc+documentation&ia=web

I did an install and a quick test run.
I noticed that cntrl-t allows going to exact time in file. I like.
Browsing the menus was intriguing.
Will spend time reading in the morning.
Thanks

> 
> And this 80+ year old ex audio engineer with failing hearing appreciates VLC's compressor and graphic equalizer.
> 
> 
> --
> Glenn English
> 

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#275576 — Media newbie meets VLC was [Re: Audacious media player - help using GUI]

On 12/10/24 7:01 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/10/24 11:30 AM, ghe2001 wrote:
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>>>> I'm using Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0
>>>> I date back to days of Z80 systems using CPM.
>>>> Never had need for audio.
>>>>
>>>> Now have lectures I want to listen to and was referred to audacious.
>>>> Install and initial trial went well.
>>>> Its man-page - terse!
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
>>>> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
>>
>>
>> You might want to take a look at VLC. Lots of docs:
>>
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=vlc+documentation&ia=web

A large collection of information by VLC implementors and users.
Suggested starting point would be:
    https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Documentation/
  and/or
    https://vlc-user-documentation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
[ both over use menu pictures when explanatory text would be better ]

> 
> I did an install and a quick test run.
> I noticed that cntrl-t allows going to exact time in file. I like.
> Browsing the menus was intriguing.
> Will spend time reading in the morning.
> Thanks
> 

For context, as far as media is concerned, I went from CPM-80 to Debian 
in a single step [the little media contact was occasionally using 
browser to play short clips min a web page].

I've spent time exploring links about Audacious, VLC, posts on user 
experiences with media in general.
[ One post described a user with a lecture in mp3 format to slide show 
synced with the audio. This could be useful for a current project.]

I need a newbie oriented intro to media players in general and VLC in 
particular.

A particular problem is terminology which have specialized meaning in 
media context - for example:
> title
> chapter 
> bookmark
> subtitles
> Sub track

I have decided to focus on VLC.
Suggestions/comments?
TIA

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#275477

On 12/10/24 10:53 AM, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 10 Dec 2024 at 05:54:24 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I'm using Debian 12.8 with MATE 1.26.0
>> I date back to days of Z80 systems using CPM.
>> Never had need for audio.
>>
>> Now have lectures I want to listen to and was referred to audacious.
>> Install and initial trial went well.
>> Its man-page - terse!
>>
>> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
>> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
> 
> I use the traditional winamp interface, which takes up less space

I'll investigate "winamp" in the morning.

> on the screen. Generally, I use ordinary keys to control it.
> In addition, ^Q quits, ^R toggles Time Remaining, ^D toggles
> a larger rendition when needed, and ^P opens Settings.
> 
> Space toggles pause/resume
> c     ditto
> x     starts/restarts track
> v     stops track
> a     begins/ends/cancels a loop
> r     toggles repeat button
> s     toggles random button
> ← →   skip 5 seconds (configurable)
> 
> dfijlopy and a few control keys open various dialog boxes,
> but I don't use it at that level: I just press Return on
> the filename in mc and a window pops up and plays.
> 
>> Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"
> 
> There's a slider that progresses as the track plays: drag it.

That allows rather coarse movement. I was thinking in terms of going to 
an exact time in the file.

> 
>> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
>> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
>> What should I be reading?
> 
> No idea. I'm not sure what you mean by "taking notes tied …". You'd
> have to elaborate what you want to physically do (in terms of clicks,
> keystrokes etc), and what you want the end result to be: file(s) etc,
> containing what?

It was more of a "I wonder if..." question than a specific "How do I.."

> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 
> 

Thanks

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#275481

On Tue 10 Dec 2024 at 18:56:02 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/10/24 10:53 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Tue 10 Dec 2024 at 05:54:24 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:

> > > Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"
> > 
> > There's a slider that progresses as the track plays: drag it.
> 
> That allows rather coarse movement. I was thinking in terms of going
> to an exact time in the file.

The resolution appears to be one second, which is considerably
more precise than x minutes.

> > > Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
> > > Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
> > > What should I be reading?
> > 
> > No idea. I'm not sure what you mean by "taking notes tied …". You'd
> > have to elaborate what you want to physically do (in terms of clicks,
> > keystrokes etc), and what you want the end result to be: file(s) etc,
> > containing what?
> 
> It was more of a "I wonder if..." question than a specific "How do I.."

Then searches may be more productive than reading at this stage.
After all, reading what?

Cheers,
David.

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#275489

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 9:22 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
>
> [SNIP... ]
>
> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
> Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"
>
> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
> What should I be reading?

<https://github.com/orgs/audacious-media-player/discussions>.

Jeff

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#275499

On 12/10/24 10:33 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 9:22 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
>>
>> [SNIP... ]
>>
>> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
>> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
>> Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"
>>
>> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
>> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
>> What should I be reading?
> 
> <https://github.com/orgs/audacious-media-player/discussions>.
> 

Thanks for trying. I just don't grok using web based fora.
I subscribe to mailing lists and USENET groups.
Does that group have something analogous to index at 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ ?

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#275646

On Tue, 2024-12-10 at 05:54 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
> What should I be reading?

Depending on what you mean by "notes", there are tools to edit
subtitles (e.g. 'gaupol') or lyrics for media files, or to transcribe
audio recording (e.g. 'transcriber'), which allow you to link (short)
texts to a time offset/period.

But you probably mean more something like a tool to write (longer?)
notes that include links to certain fragments of the audio instead?


-- 
Jan Claeys

(please don't CC me when replying to the list)

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#275685

On 12/13/24 9:41 AM, Jan Claeys wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-12-10 at 05:54 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
>> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
>> What should I be reading?
> 
> Depending on what you mean by "notes", there are tools to edit
> subtitles (e.g. 'gaupol') or lyrics for media files, or to transcribe
> audio recording (e.g. 'transcriber'), which allow you to link (short)
> texts to a time offset/period.
> 
> But you probably mean more something like a tool to write (longer?)
> notes that include links to certain fragments of the audio instead?
> 
> 

I tried to express my current thoughts in a new sub-thread at
   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/12/msg00538.html
and also asked to be pointed to definitions of terms with special 
connotations when used in a media context.

One post in a general discussion on media described syncing a slide show 
to an existing mp3 of a lecture. That started me thinking of some how 
inserting flags in a mp3 file that might send a URL of a text file to a 
browser [ text files are smaller than visual images of that content ].

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#278220

On 2024-12-10, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
> Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"

mpv --start=00:12:34 video.mp4

> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
> What should I be reading?

I think you can *bookmark* timestamps in VLC (Playback > Custom Bookmarks).

The only real note-taking thing I found in my ramblings is mpv-notes for
emacs, which allows you to take notes with timestamps that are clickable
to jump back to a specific moment in the video. Sounds delectable if you
aren't a vim user.

> TIA
>
>

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#278221

Thanks for the feedback.
That project is currently inactive as it it is tax prep  time.
I'll try your suggestions when I get a break.

On 3/12/25 8:53 AM, Greg wrote:
> On 2024-12-10, Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for documentation for optimal use of the GUI.
>> My initial problems revolved around pause/resume.
>> Those raised the question "How do I go to point x minutes into a file?"
> 
> mpv --start=00:12:34 video.mp4
> 
>> Then I started speculating about taking notes tied to specific times.
>> Can audacious do that? Is there a media player with that orientation?
>> What should I be reading?
> 
> I think you can *bookmark* timestamps in VLC (Playback > Custom Bookmarks).
> 
> The only real note-taking thing I found in my ramblings is mpv-notes for
> emacs, which allows you to take notes with timestamps that are clickable
> to jump back to a specific moment in the video. Sounds delectable if you
> aren't a vim user.
> 
>> TIA
>>
>>
> 
> 

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