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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze

Started bygene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
First post2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
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  restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
                                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
                                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
                                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
                                                      SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                                                        Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
                              Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a  minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
                                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
                                  Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
                                    Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe  aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                                      Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
                                        Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
                                          Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                              Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
                                          Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
                                            Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
                                              Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
                                                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
                                                  Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
                                                    Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                                                      SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS  Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                                              Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
                                                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
                                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                        Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next  freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100

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#275562

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
Message-ID<JSN3r-glxM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275558
On 12/11/24 23:52, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/11/24 17:42, gene heskett wrote:
>> First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial interfaced one on 
>> my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color computer 
>
>
> I thought you ran a graphical desktop environment (?).  Doing so 
> without a pointing device sounds like a lot of work.
>
>
> If a lack of a pointing device causes d-i to install accessibility 
> tools that you do not want, I suggest connecting a pointing device 
> during installation.

The point you are missing is hat the mouse is a wireless mouse, rx'd by 
a usb button. There is not a surviving wired mouse in West Virginia. I 
suggested that the installer was broken and got all kinds of hell for 
that. So let me ask then what the heck do I use for a pointing 
device?????    _ALL_ other usb stuff was unplugged for those roughly 30 
installs. Apt would not remove them after the install, complaining about 
dependencies.  So I wound up finding and rm'ing the executables. Having 
orca yelling every keystroke at around 130 db, during which time other 
keystrokes are missed makes using a computer VERY frustrating. I am 
hoping however, that by the time trixie is out, that might be fixed. But 
the attitude seems to indicate it won't be.  This however, is still 
buckets better than fedora where you are always the sickly lab rat.

But possibly another clue. As I type this, t-b is trying to save the 
draft every 5 minutes and failing, popping up a requestor asking if it 
should wait or quit. Any key cancels the requester, and the bottom line 
of t-b says copy failed.  Another is that about half the time, send is 
instant, but the next time it might take 2 to 5 more minutes, size of 
msgs doesn't seem to have any effect.

IMO, we are wasting everybodies time, I am generally getting what I want 
to do, done, sometimes slower, but still getting it done. Learning 
composition tricks that speed up OpenSCAD.  Uptime's are generally in 
the 2 week category till it totally freezes half way to the next 
workspace, which I usually have a dozen of with up to 8 tabs per 
workspace open. I'm running t-b from the cli as me, and I've chowned -R 
gene:gene /home many times in case its a perms problem. t-b seems to 
have problems.

>
>> 3. So hooking that up would probably trigger the install of orca and 
>> brltty despite specifically skipping by that question from the 
>> installer.. IDK, haven't tried it. 
>
>
> I have an older PS/2 VGA KVM switch with too many adapters.  The mouse 
> and/or keyboard die periodically, and I must power cycle the right 
> equipment to get them working again.  I run the Xfce desktop, and the 
> KVM episodes do not trigger installation of accessibility software.
>
>
>> Won't do this below either, because putting it back together would be 
>> the equ of pulling a new mobo out of the box and building it all up 
>> from scratch again. 
>
>
> Yes.  Reduce complexity, document your work so that it is repeatable, 
> and you will be in a much better position to troubleshoot any issues.
>
>
>> Those 2 slots, rumor has it only 1 will work, but which one?  No one 
>> can tell me. 
>
>
> On 12/9/24 17:51, David Christensen wrote:
> >> 2.  Connect the 1 TB WD Black M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 SSD into motherboard
> >> slot M.2_1.
>
>
> Please RTFM:
>
> https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z370-a-ii/helpdesk_manual?model2Name=PRIME-Z370-A-II 
>
>
>
>> They are buried UNDER several other cards,
>
>
> That should be removed during the next fresh install.
>
>
>> Maybe by then wifi will be secure, it is sure not now when a neighbor 
>> with a hell fone can use 60GB of my bandwidth a month w/o leaving a 
>> log.  That was not found until i had a new printer do a band scan and 
>> it showed up in my ipv4 address block.
>
>
> Please configure your gateway and/or access points:
>
> - Enable WPA2/WPA3 security and set a secure password.
>
> - Enable MAC filtering, enter the MAC addresses of your devices, and 
> block all other MAC addresses.
>
>
> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275588

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
Message-ID<JSVkl-grJN-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275562
On 12/12/24 00:44, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> On 12/11/24 23:52, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 12/11/24 17:42, gene heskett wrote:
>>> First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial interfaced one on 
>>> my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color computer 
>>
>>
>> I thought you ran a graphical desktop environment (?).  Doing so 
>> without a pointing device sounds like a lot of work.
>>
>>
>> If a lack of a pointing device causes d-i to install accessibility 
>> tools that you do not want, I suggest connecting a pointing device 
>> during installation.
> 
> The point you are missing is hat the mouse is a wireless mouse, rx'd by 
> a usb button.


So, that mouse is incompatible with d-i.  Use a mouse that is 
compatible.  I prefer Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical USB and PS/2 
Compatible.  They work with every computer and KVM switch I use.


David

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#275590

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
Message-ID<JSVu2-grNv-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275588

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On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 09:29:23AM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/12/24 00:44, gene heskett wrote:
> > 
> > On 12/11/24 23:52, David Christensen wrote:
> > > On 12/11/24 17:42, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial interfaced
> > > > one on my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color computer
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I thought you ran a graphical desktop environment (?).  Doing so
> > > without a pointing device sounds like a lot of work.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If a lack of a pointing device causes d-i to install accessibility
> > > tools that you do not want, I suggest connecting a pointing device
> > > during installation.
> > 
> > The point you are missing is hat the mouse is a wireless mouse, rx'd by
> > a usb button.
> 
> 
> So, that mouse is incompatible with d-i.  Use a mouse that is compatible.  I
> prefer Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical USB and PS/2 Compatible.  They work
> with every computer and KVM switch I use.

For some weird reason, it seems that said mouse is hitting a "braille device"
entry in the USB database?

Either the database is in error, or the mouse vendor is cheating, doesn't want
to pay their fees to the consortium and is stealing an ID.

This, at least, is my hunch.

Gene, if you want to do us a favour: do a "sudo lsusb -vv" and show us the
entry which corresponds to the mouse (the output to the command above is *long*,
so be careful).

Cheers
-- 
t

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#275595

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
Message-ID<JSVX3-gsdk-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275590
Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
Device Descriptor:
   bLength                18
   bDescriptorType         1
   bcdUSB               2.00
   bDeviceClass            0
   bDeviceSubClass         0
   bDeviceProtocol         0
   bMaxPacketSize0         8
   idVendor           0x046d Logitech, Inc.
   idProduct          0xc52b Unifying Receiver
   bcdDevice           12.11
   iManufacturer           1 Logitech
   iProduct                2 USB Receiver
   iSerial                 0
   bNumConfigurations      1
   Configuration Descriptor:
     bLength                 9
     bDescriptorType         2
     wTotalLength       0x0054
     bNumInterfaces          3
     bConfigurationValue     1
     iConfiguration          4 RQR12.11_B0032
     bmAttributes         0xa0
       (Bus Powered)
       Remote Wakeup
     MaxPower               98mA
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        0
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           1
       bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
       bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
       bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
       iInterface              0
         HID Device Descriptor:
           bLength                 9
           bDescriptorType        33
           bcdHID               1.11
           bCountryCode            0 Not supported
           bNumDescriptors         1
           bDescriptorType        34 Report
           wDescriptorLength      59
          Report Descriptors:
            ** UNAVAILABLE **
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
         bmAttributes            3
           Transfer Type            Interrupt
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
         bInterval               8
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        1
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           1
       bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
       bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
       bInterfaceProtocol      2 Mouse
       iInterface              0
         HID Device Descriptor:
           bLength                 9
           bDescriptorType        33
           bcdHID               1.11
           bCountryCode            0 Not supported
           bNumDescriptors         1
           bDescriptorType        34 Report
           wDescriptorLength     148
          Report Descriptors:
            ** UNAVAILABLE **
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
         bmAttributes            3
           Transfer Type            Interrupt
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
         bInterval               2
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        2
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           1
       bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
       bInterfaceSubClass      0
       bInterfaceProtocol      0
       iInterface              0
         HID Device Descriptor:
           bLength                 9
           bDescriptorType        33
           bcdHID               1.11
           bCountryCode            0 Not supported
           bNumDescriptors         1
           bDescriptorType        34 Report
           wDescriptorLength      93
          Report Descriptors:
            ** UNAVAILABLE **
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x83  EP 3 IN
         bmAttributes            3
           Transfer Type            Interrupt
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0020  1x 32 bytes
         bInterval               2
can't get device qualifier: Resource temporarily unavailable
can't get debug descriptor: Resource temporarily unavailable
Device Status:     0x0000
   (Bus Powered)

On 12/12/24 12:42, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> sudo lsusb -vv

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275598

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSW6J-gsgs-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 01:15:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
> Device Descriptor:

[...]

Thanks, Gene.

Unfortunately, I don't see anything supporting my hypothesis.

The mystery remains.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#275606

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
Message-ID<JSYie-gtvJ-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275598
On 12/12/24 13:28, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 01:15:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
>> Device Descriptor:
> [...]
>
> Thanks, Gene.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't see anything supporting my hypothesis.
>
> The mystery remains.
>
> Cheers
That it does, thanks for taking a look Tomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275603

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSX2N-gsPA-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275595
On 12/12/24 10:15, gene heskett wrote:
> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
> Device Descriptor:


I would remove the USB receiver, the wireless keyboard, and the wireless 
mouse.  Connect a known good wired USB keyboard and a known good wired 
USB mouse.  Then try the teardown and install.


David

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#275605

Fromeben@gmx.us
Date2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
Message-ID<JSXvQ-gsZk-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275603
On 12/12/24 14:25, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/12/24 10:15, gene heskett wrote:
>> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
>> Device Descriptor:
>
> I would remove the USB receiver, the wireless keyboard, and the wireless
> mouse.  Connect a known good wired USB keyboard and a known good wired USB
> mouse.  Then try the teardown and install.

Or no mouse, if you really want fewer drivers in the mix.  X is functional
without a mouse, but I wouldn't want to do it as a matter of course.

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#275604

FromCharles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com>
Date2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSX2N-gsPA-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275595
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:15:54 -0500
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver

Well, that's interesting. I have one of those; I'm using it right now.
I vaguely recall buying it about ten years ago. It works fine for me.

However, it is possible that Gene and I have different chip sets, either
in the receiver or in the keyboard or rodent, that make for some subtle
differences.

Just for the halibut:

--------------------------------------------------
charles@hawk:~$ lsusb -s 2:6 -vv

Bus 002 Device 006: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               2.00
  bDeviceClass            0 
  bDeviceSubClass         0 
  bDeviceProtocol         0 
  bMaxPacketSize0        32
  idVendor           0x046d Logitech, Inc.
  idProduct          0xc52b Unifying Receiver
  bcdDevice           24.10
  iManufacturer           1 Logitech
  iProduct                2 USB Receiver
  iSerial                 0 
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength       0x0054
    bNumInterfaces          3
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          4 
    bmAttributes         0xa0
      (Bus Powered)
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower               98mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
      iInterface              0 
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.11
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      59
         Report Descriptors: 
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval               8
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        1
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      2 Mouse
      iInterface              0 
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.11
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength     148
         Report Descriptors: 
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval               2
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        2
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      0 
      bInterfaceProtocol      0 
      iInterface              0 
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.11
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      98
         Report Descriptors: 
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x83  EP 3 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0020  1x 32 bytes
        bInterval               2
charles@hawk:~$ lsusb -V
lsusb (usbutils) 014
charles@hawk:~$ 
--------------------------------------------------

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#275620

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
Message-ID<JT7vb-gzlA-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 05:38:13PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 12 Dec 2024 at 12:26:11 (-0700), Charles Curley wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:15:54 -0500
> > gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
> > 
> > Well, that's interesting. I have one of those; I'm using it right now.
> > I vaguely recall buying it about ten years ago. It works fine for me.
> > 
> > However, it is possible that Gene and I have different chip sets, either
> > in the receiver or in the keyboard or rodent, that make for some subtle
> > differences.
> 
> Stepping back a moment —
> 
> Andy Cater wrote "The 30 installs you did resulted in a whole stream
> of annoyed emails: that was almost entirely because you had a USB
> serial device. Simplify, simplify, simplify."

[...]

> So now Gene describes his mouse, and takes the opportunity to
> recapitulate all (some of?) his woes, starting with the speaking
> installer, and then moving on to the 30-sec requester lag,
> not forgetting the tbird problem and the freeze. Suddenly the
> poor old mouse is under suspicion as the source of all Gene's woes.

[...]

> Seems unlikely. I'm in agreement with Andy Cater and Andy Smith.

That would mean that, with "just" that mouse on USB (and perhaps
a keyboard), the installer wouldn't try to yell at Gene anymore.

Is this so, Gene?

You don't have to follow through with the installation, mind you:
just going so far as to ascertain whether it starts in "vision
impaired" mode; OTOH I'd accept that your curiosity is limited at
this point.

AFAIK, and having had a look at the Linux USB ID repo [1], where
vendor and ID are alright (the clear text part in the lsusb output
also confirms that), I'd exculpate that mouse.

My main hypothesis (that the installer at some point (mis-)identified
some widget hanging off the USB as a device a vision impaired person
would have had and helpfully switching to audio mode) stays.

Cheers

[1] http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html
-- 
t

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#275623

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
Message-ID<JT7Ox-gzt6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275620
On 12/13/24 01:36, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 05:38:13PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
>> On Thu 12 Dec 2024 at 12:26:11 (-0700), Charles Curley wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:15:54 -0500
>>> gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
>>> Well, that's interesting. I have one of those; I'm using it right now.
>>> I vaguely recall buying it about ten years ago. It works fine for me.
>>>
>>> However, it is possible that Gene and I have different chip sets, either
>>> in the receiver or in the keyboard or rodent, that make for some subtle
>>> differences.
>> Stepping back a moment —
>>
>> Andy Cater wrote "The 30 installs you did resulted in a whole stream
>> of annoyed emails: that was almost entirely because you had a USB
>> serial device. Simplify, simplify, simplify."
> [...]
>
>> So now Gene describes his mouse, and takes the opportunity to
>> recapitulate all (some of?) his woes, starting with the speaking
>> installer, and then moving on to the 30-sec requester lag,
>> not forgetting the tbird problem and the freeze. Suddenly the
>> poor old mouse is under suspicion as the source of all Gene's woes.
> [...]
>
>> Seems unlikely. I'm in agreement with Andy Cater and Andy Smith.
> That would mean that, with "just" that mouse on USB (and perhaps
> a keyboard), the installer wouldn't try to yell at Gene anymore.
>
> Is this so, Gene?

That was the system config at the original install, and every one of the 
subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it from 
installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of graphical 
have been tried.

Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of a 
msg while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a draft 
msg every 5 minutes.

> You don't have to follow through with the installation, mind you:
> just going so far as to ascertain whether it starts in "vision
> impaired" mode; OTOH I'd accept that your curiosity is limited at
> this point.
>
> AFAIK, and having had a look at the Linux USB ID repo [1], where
> vendor and ID are alright (the clear text part in the lsusb output
> also confirms that), I'd exculpate that mouse.
>
> My main hypothesis (that the installer at some point (mis-)identified
> some widget hanging off the USB as a device a vision impaired person
> would have had and helpfully switching to audio mode) stays.
I agree with that but dammit system, give me a clue, its not bitching, 
just lagging quietly but the system is frozen during the lag.
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275626

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
Message-ID<JT9GF-gAF2-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

[...]

> That was the system config at the original install, and every one of the
> subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it from
> installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of graphical have
> been tried.

Hm. Difficult to tell, then.

> Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of a msg
> while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a draft msg
> every 5 minutes.

I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
know.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#275627

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
Message-ID<JTat3-gBcW-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275626
On 12/13/24 03:52, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> That was the system config at the original install, and every one of the
>> subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it from
>> installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of graphical have
>> been tried.
> Hm. Difficult to tell, then.
>
>> Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of a msg
>> while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a draft msg
>> every 5 minutes.
> I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
> hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
> know.
>
> Cheers
Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible 
perms denial. I did an ls -lR on the directory in home where I put the 
unpacked .xz, and I own every byte of it. The only thing I don't own in 
/home/gene is .. That's root:root as expected.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275628

Fromtomas@tuxteam.de
Date2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
Message-ID<JTaCK-gBgH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 04:48:09AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> On 12/13/24 03:52, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > That was the system config at the original install, and every one of the
> > > subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it from
> > > installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of graphical have
> > > been tried.
> > Hm. Difficult to tell, then.
> > 
> > > Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of a msg
> > > while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a draft msg
> > > every 5 minutes.
> > I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
> > hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
> > know.
> > 
> > Cheers
> Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible perms
> denial. I did an ls -lR on the directory in home where I put the unpacked
> .xz, and I own every byte of it. The only thing I don't own in /home/gene is
> .. That's root:root as expected.

Sorry. I'm totally confused. I don't even understand what you are trying to
say here.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#275630

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
Message-ID<JTb5L-gBHq-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275628
On 12/13/24 04:59, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 04:48:09AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 12/13/24 03:52, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> That was the system config at the original install, and every one of the
>>>> subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it from
>>>> installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of graphical have
>>>> been tried.
>>> Hm. Difficult to tell, then.
>>>
>>>> Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of a msg
>>>> while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a draft msg
>>>> every 5 minutes.
>>> I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
>>> hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>> Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible perms
>> denial. I did an ls -lR on the directory in home where I put the unpacked
>> .xz, and I own every byte of it. The only thing I don't own in /home/gene is
>> .. That's root:root as expected.
> Sorry. I'm totally confused. I don't even understand what you are trying to
> say here.
>
> Cheers
Exploring the possibility of accidentally making some part of the $PATH 
owned by root.  No hits.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275631

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
Message-ID<JTcEx-gCNe-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275627
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 04:48:09 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible perms
> denial.

Based on what evidence?

What ERROR MESSAGE do you see that leads you to this conclusion?

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#275672

FromTom Dial <tddial@comcast.net>
Date2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
Message-ID<JTnzX-gN5L-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275627

On 12/13/24 02:48, gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/13/24 03:52, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> That was the system config at the original install, and every one of the
>>> subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it from
>>> installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of graphical have
>>> been tried.
>> Hm. Difficult to tell, then.
>>
>>> Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of a msg
>>> while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a draft msg
>>> every 5 minutes.
>> I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
>> hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
>> know.
>>
>> Cheers
> Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible perms denial. I did an ls -lR on the directory in home where I put the unpacked .xz, and I own every byte of it. The only thing I don't own in /home/gene is .. That's root:root as expected.

The correct permissions for your login directory (/home/gene/) are gene:gene, assuming you log in as "gene" and would have been set to that if you created the user "gene" during install.

/home should have permissions root:root.

I do not know whether that has anything to do with the problems you are having, but correcting it might have some effect and might head off others.

With gnome, orca is installed as a dependency. The presumptively correct way to tame it seems to be via the gnome menu item Settings->Accessibility. Mine has every option set to "off" except "Enable Animations," which causes me no grief.

If brltty is installed and you don't need it, the proper action is "apt purge brltty," which I have done on occasion.

Regards,
Tom Dial

> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

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#275673

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
Message-ID<JTnTj-gNHt-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275672
On 12/13/24 18:48, Tom Dial wrote:
>
>
> On 12/13/24 02:48, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 12/13/24 03:52, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> That was the system config at the original install, and every one 
>>>> of the
>>>> subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it 
>>>> from
>>>> installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of 
>>>> graphical have
>>>> been tried.
>>> Hm. Difficult to tell, then.
>>>
>>>> Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of 
>>>> a msg
>>>> while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a 
>>>> draft msg
>>>> every 5 minutes.
>>> I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
>>> hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>> Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible 
>> perms denial. I did an ls -lR on the directory in home where I put 
>> the unpacked .xz, and I own every byte of it. The only thing I don't 
>> own in /home/gene is .. That's root:root as expected.
>
> The correct permissions for your login directory (/home/gene/) are 
> gene:gene, assuming you log in as "gene" and would have been set to 
> that if you created the user "gene" during install.
>
> /home should have permissions root:root.
That is the case.
>
> I do not know whether that has anything to do with the problems you 
> are having, but correcting it might have some effect and might head 
> off others.
>
> With gnome, orca is installed as a dependency. The presumptively 
> correct way to tame it seems to be via the gnome menu item 
> Settings->Accessibility. Mine has every option set to "off" except 
> "Enable Animations," which causes me no grief.
>
> If brltty is installed and you don't need it, the proper action is 
> "apt purge brltty," which I have done on occasion.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Dial
>
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275674

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
Message-ID<JTnTj-gNHt-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275672
On 12/13/24 18:23, Tom Dial wrote:
>
>
> On 12/13/24 02:48, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 12/13/24 03:52, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 01:53:55AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> That was the system config at the original install, and every one 
>>>> of the
>>>> subsequent installs, nothing I did with the installer prevented it 
>>>> from
>>>> installing orca and brltty. Text only, several variations of 
>>>> graphical have
>>>> been tried.
>>> Hm. Difficult to tell, then.
>>>
>>>> Another clue perhaps: where does t-bird try to save a draft copy of 
>>>> a msg
>>>> while editing it?, its driving me crazy with failed to write a 
>>>> draft msg
>>>> every 5 minutes.
>>> I'd venture the strong guess that this is a totally unrelated rabbit
>>> hole. In our trade, there are several of them, as you quite certainly
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>> Wherever it try's, t-b seemto be interpreting the lag as a possible 
>> perms denial. I did an ls -lR on the directory in home where I put 
>> the unpacked .xz, and I own every byte of it. The only thing I don't 
>> own in /home/gene is .. That's root:root as expected.
>
> The correct permissions for your login directory (/home/gene/) are 
> gene:gene, assuming you log in as "gene" and would have been set to 
> that if you created the user "gene" during install.
>
> /home should have permissions root:root.
>
> I do not know whether that has anything to do with the problems you 
> are having, but correcting it might have some effect and might head 
> off others.
>
> With gnome, orca is installed as a dependency. The presumptively 
> correct way to tame it seems to be via the gnome menu item 
> Settings->Accessibility. Mine has every option set to "off" except 
> "Enable Animations," which causes me no grief.
My menu has no Accessibility bar under settings.
>
> If brltty is installed and you don't need it, the proper action is 
> "apt purge brltty," which I have done on occasion.

I've done that to both orca and brltty, the dependency's seem to have 
been removed now.

No change though.

>
> Regards,
> Tom Dial
>
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275675

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
Message-ID<JTr0S-gRpp-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275674
On 14/12/2024 07:04, gene heskett wrote:
> I've done that to both orca and brltty, the dependency's seem to have 
> been removed now.

What is output of the following command?

     dpkg -l orca brltty

Does

     dpkg -V

reports anything besides conffiles? Fighting with orca you could remove 
files that belong to other packages.

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