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| Started by | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| First post | 2024-12-12 06:30 +0100 |
| Last post | 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100 |
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Re: Firefox alternatives? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:30 +0100
Re: Firefox alternatives? eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 06:50 +0100
Re: Firefox alternatives? Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-12 10:10 +0100
Re: Firefox alternatives? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 13:20 +0100
Re: Firefox alternatives? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-12-12 15:30 +0100
Re: Firefox alternatives? eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 16:50 +0100
Re: Firefox alternatives? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 06:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Firefox alternatives? |
| Message-ID | <JSJVT-ghDX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
On 12/11/24 12:08, Van Snyder wrote: > After Firefox has been running for a few days my Debian 12.5 gets > really slow. The mouse jerks when it works at all. It takes a minute or > two for wndows to close or top. At the moment, Firefox has 19 processes > running. Memory is half full, and swap is about 10% used. When I kill > Firefox and restart, things go back to normal for a few hours. > > What alternatives that aren't such pigs do you recommend? My current daily driver is a Dell PowerEdge T30 with a Xeon E3-1225 v5 processor, 2 @ 8 GB ECC RAM in dual channel mode, and an Intel SSD 520 Series 60 GB: 2024-12-11 21:21:18 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version; uname -a; dpkg-query --show xfce4; dpkg-query --show firefox-esr 11.11 Linux laalaa 5.10.0-33-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.226-1 (2024-10-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux xfce4 4.16 firefox-esr 128.5.0esr-1~deb11u1 The desktop usage experience is more than satisfactory. I have installed the NoScript extension in Firefox. I typically enable only enough JavaScript to get a site working. YouTube recently changed their site such that videos stall after about a minute if google.com is blocked. When I enabled google.com, Firefox became very sluggish. The problem is not Firefox, the problem is corporations that want to monetize WWW users via JavaScript. David
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| From | eben@gmx.us |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 06:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSKff-ghQz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275559 |
On 12/12/24 00:28, David Christensen wrote: > > I have installed the NoScript extension in Firefox. I typically enable only > enough JavaScript to get a site working. YouTube recently changed their > site such that videos stall after about a minute if google.com is blocked. > When I enabled google.com, Firefox became very sluggish. Hmm I have Firefox with Noscript and watch a fair amount of Youtube. google.com does not get to run JS and I've noticed no ill effects. Ghostery's blocking 7 things on that site (it says) and most of them have "Google" in the name. Perhaps that's the difference? There's also "Adblocker for Youtube™".
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| From | Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 10:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSNmO-gmg9-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275560 |
On 12/12/24 13:44, eben@gmx.us wrote: > On 12/12/24 00:28, David Christensen wrote: >> >> I have installed the NoScript extension in Firefox. I typically enable only >> enough JavaScript to get a site working. YouTube recently changed their >> site such that videos stall after about a minute if google.com is blocked. >> When I enabled google.com, Firefox became very sluggish. > > Hmm I have Firefox with Noscript and watch a fair amount of Youtube. > google.com does not get to run JS and I've noticed no ill effects. > Ghostery's blocking 7 things on that site (it says) and most of them have > "Google" in the name. Perhaps that's the difference? There's also > "Adblocker for Youtube™". > Because a video is downloaded, to watch it, why not simply use yt-dlp to download the videos from youtoob, without all of the gunk? Then, watching the downloaded videos, lets the user choose which viewer and configurations of the viewer, to enhance the viewing. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..............
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 13:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSQkF-goAZ-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275560 |
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 00:44:06 -0500, eben@gmx.us wrote: > On 12/12/24 00:28, David Christensen wrote: > > > > I have installed the NoScript extension in Firefox. I typically enable only > > enough JavaScript to get a site working. YouTube recently changed their > > site such that videos stall after about a minute if google.com is blocked. > > When I enabled google.com, Firefox became very sluggish. > > Hmm I have Firefox with Noscript and watch a fair amount of Youtube. > google.com does not get to run JS and I've noticed no ill effects. > Ghostery's blocking 7 things on that site (it says) and most of them have > "Google" in the name. Perhaps that's the difference? There's also > "Adblocker for Youtube™". I normally watch Youtube videos in Google Chrome. My experience is that everything works well except certain live streams -- these will consume more and more memory until the tab "crashes" with a "something went wrong" message, and a Reload button. Pressing the Reload button reconnects to the live stream and then the cycle repeats. Premieres and regular videos aren't an issue. Just live streams. And I'm not sure if it's all of them, or some of them.
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| From | John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 15:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSSmt-gpVv-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275572 |
Greg Wooledge writes: > I normally watch Youtube videos in Google Chrome. My experience is > that everything works well except certain live streams -- these will > consume more and more memory until the tab "crashes" with a "something > went wrong" message, and a Reload button. Pressing the Reload button > reconnects to the live stream and then the cycle repeats. I recently started seeing the same thing with Firefox. After some experimentation I found that the problem seems to be https://jnn-pa.googleapis.com. I understand that companies need revenue from somewhere and since most users won't pay advertising is it. But their methods are ludicrously inefficient and insecure. At least with Youtube it's all coming from Google so you know that it only does what Google wants it to do. Other sites often want to pull in JS from a dozen or more sites no one has ever heard of, most of it just because it makes it easier for the web designers to animate their dancing doggies. -- John Hasler john@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | eben@gmx.us |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 16:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSTBT-gqDF-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275572 |
On 12/12/24 07:11, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > I normally watch Youtube videos in Google Chrome. My experience is > that everything works well except certain live streams -- these will > consume more and more memory until the tab "crashes" with a "something > went wrong" message, and a Reload button. Pressing the Reload button > reconnects to the live stream and then the cycle repeats. Yeah, sorry, probably can't help you there. I don't use Chrome for YT unless they require me to be logged in to see the video. And I prefer to watch livestreams once they're no longer live. I'm weird that way.
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JSVu2-grNv-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #275560 |
On 12/11/24 21:44, eben@gmx.us wrote: > On 12/12/24 00:28, David Christensen wrote: >> >> I have installed the NoScript extension in Firefox. I typically enable only >> enough JavaScript to get a site working. YouTube recently changed their >> site such that videos stall after about a minute if google.com is blocked. >> When I enabled google.com, Firefox became very sluggish. > > Hmm I have Firefox with Noscript and watch a fair amount of Youtube. > google.com does not get to run JS and I've noticed no ill effects. > Ghostery's blocking 7 things on that site (it says) and most of them have > "Google" in the name. Perhaps that's the difference? There's also > "Adblocker for Youtube™". Choice of plug-ins is a plausible explanation. My Firefox has: Audio Compressor NoScript Privacy Badger uBlock Origin And, each has various configuration settings; any one of which could cause issues. A proper web site should respect privacy, should use JavaScript only from the originating domain, and should be free of external advertisements. craigslist.org is one of the few web sites that seems to follow these principles. David
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