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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze

Started bygene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
First post2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
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  restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
                                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
                                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
                                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
                                                      SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                                                        Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
                              Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a  minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
                                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
                                  Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
                                    Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe  aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                                      Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
                                        Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
                                          Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                              Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
                                          Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
                                            Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
                                              Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
                                                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
                                                  Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
                                                    Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                                                      SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS  Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                                              Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
                                                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
                                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                        Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next  freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100

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#275593

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
Message-ID<JSVDH-grQM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275591
On 12/12/24 09:47, gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/12/24 12:30, David Christensen wrote:
>> So, that mouse is incompatible with d-i.  Use a mouse that is 
>> compatible.  I prefer Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical USB and PS/2 
>> Compatible.  They work with every computer and KVM switch I use. 
> They are all logitek's, if they were bad, the whole world would know it.


I have had issues with Logitech hardware.  Get what I have:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p4432023.m570.l1313&_nkw=microsoft+wheel+mouse+optical+usb+and+ps%2F2+compatible&_sacat=0


David

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#275617

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
Message-ID<JT4nD-gxpA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275562
On 12/12/2024 15:44, gene heskett wrote:
> So I wound up finding and rm'ing the executables. Having orca yelling 
> every keystroke at around 130 db, during which time other keystrokes are 
> missed makes using a computer VERY frustrating.

Warping your system with a sledgehammer certainly may cause half a 
minute delays. Do you really need GNOME? I recall you mentioned other 
DE's in your messages. Either reinstall orca and *properly* disable it 
or uninstall it completely using package manager.

Other applications may wait orca startup completion.

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#275621

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
Message-ID<JT7vb-gzlA-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275617
On 12/12/24 22:15, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 12/12/2024 15:44, gene heskett wrote:
>> So I wound up finding and rm'ing the executables. Having orca yelling 
>> every keystroke at around 130 db, during which time other keystrokes 
>> are missed makes using a computer VERY frustrating.
>
> Warping your system with a sledgehammer certainly may cause half a 
> minute delays. Do you really need GNOME? I recall you mentioned other 
> DE's in your messages. Either reinstall orca and *properly* disable it 
> or uninstall it completely using package manager.

Thats the only way I could shut the s.o.b. up after the install. The 
audio volume control didn't work or the input orca was using was wide open.

Those dependencies that initially locked it in have since been removed, 
and so has orca been removed with apt, about 6 months later but that 
made no diff. I have grep'd the whole system looking for orca in a 
script, a couple times, getting  no usable hits. First I searched /etc, 
and finding zip, did the same for /. That took a couple days, mostly in 
/home.
>
> Other applications may wait orca startup completion.
>
That's been my theory also. Some will wait for the timeout, like 
shotwell, and some won't faiing instantly like digiKam. All the slicers 
wait, complaining about webkit crap & missing gtk junk, but work just 
fine once running. And other than the startup spew, many screens full 
when started from an xfce4 cli, they run just fine. But the spew never 
reports a pkg name I can search for and install, just a few hundred 
missing library? functions. Repeated hundreds of times. I have posted 
copy/pastes of some of that, hoping it would ring a bell with someone, 
crickets.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275641 — Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze)

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
SubjectDisabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze)
Message-ID<JTfsJ-gEBh-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275621
> On 12/12/24 22:15, Max Nikulin wrote:
>> minute delays. Do you really need GNOME?
------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> DE's in your messages. Either reinstall orca and *properly* disable it 
>> or uninstall it completely using package manager.

The citation above is retained for purpose.

On 13/12/2024 13:30, gene heskett wrote:
> Thats the only way I could shut the s.o.b. up after the install. The 
> audio volume control didn't work or the input orca was using was wide open.

Unplug speakers, walk through desktop settings, ask a search engine how 
to disable assistive technologies.

> Those dependencies that initially locked it in have since been removed, 
> and so has orca been removed with apt

Obviously, I have apt installed. I do not have orca. I have no idea what 
you was doing. Post the exact command and its output describing its 
further action.

> I have grep'd the whole system looking for orca in a 
> script, a couple times, getting  no usable hits. First I searched /etc, 
> and finding zip, did the same for /. That took a couple days, mostly 
> in /home.

I am almost sure that you have missed important parts. Anyway, there is 
a better way to do it (as a last resort). I still suspect that there is 
a proper way to disable assistive technologies even when packages are 
installed.

> But the spew never 
> reports a pkg name I can search for and install

Besides general purpose search engines, there are Debian-specific tools, 
online or provided as packages, that may help.

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#275574

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSQul-goIi-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275558
On 12/12/2024 11:51, David Christensen wrote:
> Please configure your gateway and/or access points:
> 
> - Enable WPA2/WPA3 security and set a secure password.
> 
> - Enable MAC filtering, enter the MAC addresses of your devices, and 
> block all other MAC addresses.

MAC filtering adds almost nothing to protection but may be a source of 
annoyance. Devices may rotate MAC addresses for privacy reasons unless 
it is explicitly disabled.

I am second to that WEP, WPA (early variant), WPS should be disabled.

Actually the issue is more serious. Gene can not recall router password. 
It is even more severe. Since Chrome stole port 80 on his machines he 
can not use any search engine. As a result he has no chance to discover 
an OpenWRT article how to reset the password.

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#275583

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<JSTsd-gqAa-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275574
On 12/12/24 07:22, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 12/12/2024 11:51, David Christensen wrote:
>> Please configure your gateway and/or access points:
>>
>> - Enable WPA2/WPA3 security and set a secure password.
>>
>> - Enable MAC filtering, enter the MAC addresses of your devices, and 
>> block all other MAC addresses.
>
> MAC filtering adds almost nothing to protection but may be a source of 
> annoyance. Devices may rotate MAC addresses for privacy reasons unless 
> it is explicitly disabled.
>
> I am second to that WEP, WPA (early variant), WPS should be disabled.
>
> Actually the issue is more serious. Gene can not recall router 
> password. It is even more severe. Since Chrome stole port 80 on his 
> machines he can not use any search engine. As a result he has no 
> chance to discover an OpenWRT article how to reset the password.
FF does not  do that particular bit of tomfoolery. And the old router 
has been replaced with a more modern version running dd-wrt. Now about 
10x faster, I've a gigabit connection now.
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275549

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSGbE-geNF-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275492
On 12/10/24 22:17, gene heskett wrote:
> The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find 
> anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening any 
> local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during 
> which time the system is also locked. 


That symptom alone would compel me to reinstall.


> I've installed some stuff folks 
> have suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and 
> just put up with it. 


I migrated my data to a dedicated storage server years ago.  This has 
worked very well for me.  I recommend that you do the same.  If and when 
you do, KISS.


> memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but 
> doesn't find anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered 
> anyone else. It would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did 
> the gotta pee dance but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something 
> leftover from ripping out orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a 
> fresh install around 30 times.  The installer put them in even when I 
> said no.


Unless and until you boil down your hardware, software, and 
configuration settings to a minimum, write a shell script that evokes 
the issue every time, and file a complete bug report, you have only 
yourself to blame.


David

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#275551

FromAndy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
Date2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
Message-ID<JSGuZ-geUb-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275549
Hi,

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 05:24:42PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/10/24 22:17, gene heskett wrote:
> > I should be on record as reporting that opening any local file takes
> > a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during which time
> > the system is also locked.
> 
> That symptom alone would compel me to reinstall.

But isn't this a problem that Gene has been reporting here for literally
YEARS across what he claims to be in excess of 20 fresh installs at this
point?

I don't think we will ever get to the bottom of it and I don't think one
more install is going to fix it either. Normally at this point I'd say
someone else needs to install and manage that computer but Gene's
requirements are never going to allow that, so I just don't know what
the answer is.

> I migrated my data to a dedicated storage server years ago.  This has worked
> very well for me.  I recommend that you do the same.  If and when you do,
> KISS.

If someone else came in and built it all for him maybe.

Chances are he then reports the same problem on his desktop afterwards
but I suppose the mass storage would be ruled out then. To be honest the
storage already *is* ruled out for me:

The way he says it happens (only) when a file dialog is shown makes me
think there is a DNS timeout for some reason. After seeing the countless
threads where Gene runs roughshod over his /etc with selected chattr +i
and rm until it looks right to him, then whispers some fantasies into
/etc/hosts, well, ain't nobody got time for that.

Thanks,
Andy

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#275555

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
Message-ID<JSHKp-gfNP-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275549
On 12/11/24 20:25, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/10/24 22:17, gene heskett wrote:
>> The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find anything wrong, and 
>> I should be on record as reporting that opening any local file takes 
>> a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during which time 
>> the system is also locked. 
>
>
> That symptom alone would compel me to reinstall.
>
>
>> I've installed some stuff folks have suggested to no avail so I gave 
>> up wasting everybody's time and just put up with it. 
>
>
> I migrated my data to a dedicated storage server years ago.  This has 
> worked very well for me.  I recommend that you do the same. If and 
> when you do, KISS.
>
>
>> memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but doesn't find 
>> anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered anyone else. 
>> It would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did the gotta 
>> pee dance but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something leftover 
>> from ripping out orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a fresh 
>> install around 30 times.  The installer put them in even when I said no.
>
>
> Unless and until you boil down your hardware, software, and 
> configuration settings to a minimum, write a shell script that evokes 
> the issue every time, and file a complete bug report, you have only 
> yourself to blame.
>
Alright, here's some clues: I cannot use digiKam to retrieve pix fron my 
camera, it will not wait on his lag. Shotwell will wait but suffers from 
this lag. Adding strace to the cli invocation may work, or may not. 
Noobvious error in the strce if it works, Prusaslicer spits out all sort 
of gfx related stuff but runs normally once it draws its gui. And in all 
cases the time lag is there. Can you make a bug report out of that?... 
Neither can I. So until something complains, I put up with it. It works 
plumb normally once its timed out.

Last post about it until something bitches out loud.

>
> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275556

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-12-12 04:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSI3L-gfZO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275555
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 22:02:19 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Alright, here's some clues: I cannot use digiKam to retrieve pix fron my
> camera, it will not wait on his lag. Shotwell will wait but suffers from
> this lag. Adding strace to the cli invocation may work, or may not.
> Noobvious error in the strce if it works, Prusaslicer spits out all sort of
> gfx related stuff but runs normally once it draws its gui. And in all cases
> the time lag is there.

You first reported this problem (as an X-Y) over a year ago,
<https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/09/msg00175.html>.

Originally, you assumed that it was a bug in the Linux MD RAID.

At some point, it was revealed that the 30 second delay *only* arises
when using GUI programs to access the files.  Command line utilities
that read the same files have no problems.

If I remember correctly, at some point you had found an error message
somewhere.  Something related to dbus, perhaps?  Or some other piece of
infrastructure that's used by Desktop Environments.

Sadly, I cannot find that message.  It was too long ago, and I'm not
sure what keywords to look for.

In order to avoid reconstructing the entire problem from scratch, I
hope you can fast forward to the part where you find that error message
again, and then post the error message here.

Or, if one of the other readers happens to remember more about that
error message, or can possibly find the original email where it was
discussed, that would be extremely helpful.

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