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| First post | 2024-11-23 21:40 +0100 |
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Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode rhkramer@gmail.com - 2024-11-23 21:40 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode rhkramer@gmail.com - 2024-11-23 21:50 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-24 00:20 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-24 00:40 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode rhkramer@gmail.com - 2024-11-24 15:20 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 19:20 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-11-24 17:50 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-24 23:10 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-11-25 04:30 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2024-11-23 22:00 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode rhkramer@gmail.com - 2024-11-24 18:40 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2024-11-24 18:50 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-23 22:20 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-11-23 23:10 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2024-11-24 10:00 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-24 10:20 +0100
OT: Re: Trolling john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2024-11-24 11:40 +0100
Re: OT: Re: Trolling Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-24 17:10 +0100
Re: OT: Re: Trolling <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-24 18:10 +0100
Re: OT: Re: Trolling Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-24 23:40 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode rhkramer@gmail.com - 2024-11-24 18:30 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-24 22:20 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-11-24 10:30 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 12:40 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-11-24 18:10 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 14:30 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-11-25 18:20 +0100
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-11-24 17:40 +0100
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2024-11-23 21:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode |
| Message-ID | <JM557-b5mX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
(link below).
I assume (I know), but am not sure that I will be able to load Linux on that
laptop -- can anyone tell me for sure?
PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do that.
cc'ing me would be helpful, I subscribe to the list but can't keep up with
reading it anymore -- I will try to pay attention for the next week or so for
any responses.
* [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver-
n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521]
[ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB RAM,
64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]]
Thank you!
Rh Kramer
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2024-11-23 21:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JM5eN-b5qc-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274825 |
Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one site has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not sure what the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 GB is soldered in). On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:38:56 PM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do > that. > * [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB > RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]]
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| From | George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 00:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JM7zX-b70f-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274826 |
On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 07:44 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one site > has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not sure what > the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 GB is soldered > in). Can you please forward the link that suggests you can upgrade memory? >From my research, the memory is not upgradeable. There was no "empty SODIMM slot"? Though there could be an M.2 slot for adding an extra drive. My challenge with such videos on YouTube is many variations of models, and whether the one I buy is exactly the same model as the one I am watching. After purchase the model can be slightly different from the ones in video. Maybe I found a different model? The below videos suggest the eMMC is soldered in, but there is an unused M.2 slot into which you can install a M.2 NVMe drive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpfVX3jaBU Can I upgrade my Asus Vivobook E510 SSD or RAM? [RAM soldered, not able to upgrade] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxU6hz0BmfQ ASUS laptop E510 - DISASSEMBLY and UPGRADE OPTIONS [You can't upgrade/expand the memory. (RAM)] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHWenMLj_E ASUS Vivobook Go 15 L510 Laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI How to UPGRADE eMMC Storage With M.2 NVMe SSD On ASUS Laptop! F2 to get into BIOS I hope this helps. George. > > On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:38:56 PM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do > > that. > > > * [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB > > RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]] > >
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| From | George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 00:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JM7Tk-b76q-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274830 |
Hi, The link you provided about the Laptop states: "Memory Slot (Available) 0", indicating you would not be able to upgrade the memory. I believe you can put in an M.2 NVMe and then install Linux to that NVMe, that way you can still boot Windows as well as Linux? I would be concerned about CPU performance. I have had challenges using a CPU that is less than the performance of an i5. Though I did set up a laptop like this for a person to use video conferencing through a Web Browser a few years ago using Debian XFCE, and that worked well. I guess this depends on what you want to use it for? Intel Pentium Silver N6000 https://versus.com/en/intel-pentium-silver-n6000 Someone's comment reguards the CPU: "I do not recommend for any task at all, this processor can barely run browsers alone or just a 4k video. If you versus any processer against this and it says the pentium silver n6000 wins, just know its a lie. Do not buy this garbage" https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver-n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521][ASUS%2015.6%22%20Vivobook%20Go%20Laptop,%20FHD,%20Intel%20Pentium%20N6000%20Quad%20Core,%204GB%20RAM,64GB%20SSD,%20Windows%2011%20in%20S%20Mode,%20Star%20Black,%20L510KA-NB21 Specs Learn more about the ASUS L510KA-NB21 Inaccurate specs? Let us know Feedback Best Seller Ranking #14 in Laptop / Notebook ModelBrand ASUS Series Vivobook Go Model L510KA-NB21 Part Number 90NB0UJ5-M016D0 Quick InfoColor LCD Cover: Star Black, Plastic Top Case: Black, Plastic Operating System Windows 11 in S mode CPU Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.10 GHz Screen 15.6" Memory 4 GB DDR4 Storage 64 GB eMMC Graphics Card Intel UHD Graphics Video Memory Shared memory Dimensions (W x D x H) 14.18" x 9.31" x 0.71" Weight 3.46 lbs. CPUCPU Type Intel Pentium Silver CPU Name Intel Pentium Silver N6000 Number of Cores Quad-core Processor CPU L3 Cache 4 MB DisplayScreen Size 15.6" Touchscreen No Wide Screen Support Yes Display Type FHD Resolution 1920 x 1080 Color Gamut 45% NTSC LCD Features 16:9 220nits Anti-Glare NTSC:45% Operating SystemOperating System Windows 11 in S mode GraphicsGPU/VPU Intel UHD Graphics Video Memory Shared system memory Graphic Type Integrated Card StorageSSD 64 GB eMMC HDD No MemoryMemory 4GB Memory Spec 4 GB onboard Memory Slot (Available) 0 Optical DriveOptical Drive Type No CommunicationsWLAN Wi-Fi 5 (802.11ac) (Dual band) 1*1 WiFi Generation Wi-Fi 5 Bluetooth Bluetooth 5.1 (*Bluetooth version may change with OS version different.) PortsUSB 1 x USB 2.0/1.1 / 1 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A / 1 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-C HDMI 1 x HDMI 1.4 Audio Ports 1 x 3.5mm Combo Audio Jack Input DeviceKeyboard Chiclet Keyboard Webcam 720p HD camera GeneralStyle Thin and Light Type Home / Personal Usage Consumer PowerAC Adapter 33W AC Adapter Output: 19V DC, 1.75A, 33W Input: 100-240V AC 50/60Hz universal Battery 42WHrs, 3S1P, 3-cell Li-ion Dimensions & WeightDimensions (W x D x H) 14.18" x 9.31" x 0.71" Weight 3.46 lbs. Additional InformationDate First Available May 29, 2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpfVX3jaBU Can I upgrade my Asus Vivobook E510 SSD or RAM? [RAM soldered, not able to upgrade] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxU6hz0BmfQ ASUS laptop E510 - DISASSEMBLY and UPGRADE OPTIONS [You can't upgrade/expand the memory. (RAM)] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHWenMLj_E ASUS Vivobook Go 15 L510 Laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI How to UPGRADE eMMC Storage With M.2 NVMe SSD On ASUS Laptop! F2 to get into BIOS On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 10:15 George at Clug wrote: > > > On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 07:44 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one site > > has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not sure what > > the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 GB is soldered > > in). > > Can you please forward the link that suggests you can upgrade memory? > > >From my research, the memory is not upgradeable. There was no "empty SODIMM slot"? Though there could be an M.2 slot for adding an extra drive. My challenge with such videos on YouTube is many variations of models, and whether the one I buy is exactly the same model as the one I am watching. After purchase the model can be slightly different from the ones in video. > > Maybe I found a different model? > > The below videos suggest the eMMC is soldered in, but there is an unused M.2 slot into which you can install a M.2 NVMe drive. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpfVX3jaBU > Can I upgrade my Asus Vivobook E510 SSD or RAM? > [RAM soldered, not able to upgrade] > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxU6hz0BmfQ > ASUS laptop E510 - DISASSEMBLY and UPGRADE OPTIONS > [You can't upgrade/expand the memory. (RAM)] > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHWenMLj_E > ASUS Vivobook Go 15 L510 Laptop > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI > How to UPGRADE eMMC Storage With M.2 NVMe SSD On ASUS Laptop! > > F2 to get into BIOS > > I hope this helps. > > George. > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:38:56 PM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do > > > that. > > > > > * [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > > > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > > > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB > > > RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]] > > > > > >
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 15:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMlCV-bfPy-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274831 |
Ahh, ok, thanks -- that's pretty clear that there is no memory slot, and, even though I wouldn't use the laptop for much -- to demo some software "on the road", 4 MB is very limiting. On Saturday, November 23, 2024 06:39:12 PM George at Clug wrote: > The link you provided about the Laptop states: "Memory Slot (Available) > 0", indicating you would not be able to upgrade the memory. > MemoryMemory 4GB > Memory Spec 4 GB onboard > Memory Slot (Available) 0
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| From | Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 19:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMpnb-bifA-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274838 |
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:52 PM <rhkramer@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ahh, ok, thanks -- that's pretty clear that there is no memory slot, and, even > though I wouldn't use the laptop for much -- to demo some software "on the > road", 4 MB is very limiting. The SSD might be soldered onto the motherboard, too. I found that to be the case on a low-end Chrome book I bought a long time ago. Apparently it saves a few cents on a socket. Jeff
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMnY5-bh7S-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274831 |
> a CPU that is less than the performance of an i5.
Side note: such a description is not very useful because a 10 year old
i7 can be significantly less powerful than a recent i3.
Stefan
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| From | George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMsXL-bksM-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274842 |
On Monday, 25-11-2024 at 03:39 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > a CPU that is less than the performance of an i5. > > Side note: such a description is not very useful because a 10 year old > i7 can be significantly less powerful than a recent i3. While ymmv is valid, I favour i7 CPUs (and Ryzen 7) over other CPUs. At times i5 CPUs will suffice. I am frustrated that I cannot perceive any performance improvements in CPUs since the 4th Gen i7s. This is likely due to the software I use does not gain any perceptible improvement from running on a faster CPU? I guess I have not used a recent i3. I once made the mistake of believing an i3 was usefully powerful and have been turned off ever since. My personal experience is there is little effective performance between 12 year old CPUs and current CPUs. Which I find sad, I would like to replace our 2nd Gen i7 (that runs a VR system) and discover everything runs multiple times faster (even twice as fast would be nice). I will take your comment on board, hoping I will have the opportunity to test out more recent CPUs. George. > > > Stefan > >
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2024-11-25 04:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMxXr-bnuS-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274852 |
> I am frustrated that I cannot perceive any performance improvements in
> CPUs since the 4th Gen i7s. This is likely due to the software I use
> does not gain any perceptible improvement from running on
> a faster CPU?
Not really, it's simply that, since the end of [Dennard
scaling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennard_scaling) around 2007, we
don't know how to make CPUs faster, really. Progress is *very* slow.
That's why the number of cores has gone up, since we still know how to
do that. Sadly, for many tasks, additional cores make no difference.
Stefan
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| From | Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-11-23 22:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JM5ot-b5tu-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274825 |
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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > Rh Kramer > > -- > rhk > > | Sorry about the sig -- some people think it is too long -- it is my soapbox. No, you aren't, and you know you aren't. So drop the fake apology. Over 40 lines of sig on an approx 20 line email! At least fix your sig separator! -- NEWARK has been REZONED!! DES MOINES has been REZONED!!
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 18:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMoKt-bhLe-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274827 |
You're mostly right, I'm not terribly sorry, but I don't use it on every email or post I make -- on debian-user typically only the first post in a thread I might start or possibly in the first comment I make to a thread. I've fixed the sig separator. But let me ask you, do you complain to those that quote all or most of the previous posts in a thread when they have no relevant comment about most of what they've quoted? Have a good day! On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:58:33 PM Tom Furie wrote: > No, you aren't, and you know you aren't. So drop the fake apology. Over > 40 lines of sig on an approx 20 line email! At least fix your sig > separator!
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| From | Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMoUb-bhQz-49@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274847 |
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:34:17PM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > But let me ask you, do you complain to those that quote all or most of the > previous posts in a thread when they have no relevant comment about most of > what they've quoted? Now and then, yes. Though it often doesn't have much impact, it occasionally does. Whether it's often enough to make a difference I can't say, as I haven't done a study on the matter. Cheers, Tom -- Your friends will know you better in the first minute you meet than your acquaintances will know you in a thousand years. -- Richard Bach, "Illusions"
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-23 22:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JM5HP-b5Pu-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274825 |
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 15:38:56 -0500 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > 64GB SSD Sorry, I can't tell you for sure if Linux will load on one of these, not having done the experiment. I can tell you that I would not plan on dual booting. I have Windows 11 on two of my machines here, and have shrunk its partition down to 60 GiB, in addition to the 592 MiB recovery partition. As Windows uses 37 GiB, that leaves 24 GiB at most available for Linux. Unless you can pare the Windows installation down considerably. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-23 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JM6ud-b6lE-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274825 |
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode > (link below). > > I assume (I know), but am not sure that I will be able to load Linux on that > laptop -- can anyone tell me for sure? > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do that. > > cc'ing me would be helpful, I subscribe to the list but can't keep up with > reading it anymore -- I will try to pay attention for the next week or so for > any responses. > > * [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB RAM, > 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]] > These are very much like a Chromebook-style cheap machine. Windows 11 S mode is Windows 11 locked down to secure apps from the Microsoft Store. Be _especially_ careful on the disk size: this may be a flash disk or whatever and not upgradeable. A bit small. A great machine for a primary school student whose school runs Windows. Not so great for real use in my biased opinion - I have had Debian running in 4GB and 32G of flash disk but it was painfully slow. Cheap machine at cheap price but your level of hardship may be commensurate. > Thank you! > You're welcome. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater (amacater@debian.org) > Rh Kramer > > -- > rhk > > | Sorry about the sig -- some people think it is too long -- it is my soapbox. > > (sig revised 20240703 -- new first paragraph (above)) > (sig revised 20241111 -- new penultimate paragraph) > > No entity has permission to use this email to train an AI. > > If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; > avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma (and semi-colon) > included at no charge.) If you revise the topic, change the Subject: line. > If you change the topic, start a new thread. > > Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal documents > excepted?). Make it easier for your reader by various means, including > liberal use of whitespace (short paragraphs, separated by whitespace / blank > lines) and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and > references. > > If someone has already responded to a question, decide whether any response > you add will be helpful or not ... > > A picture is worth a thousand words. A video (or "audio"): not so much -- > divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and > edit it to 10% of the original. (Remember Cicero who did not have enough time > to write a short missive.) > > A speaker who uses ahhs, ums, or such may have a real physical or mental > disability, or may be showing disrespect for his listeners by not properly > preparing in advance and thinking before speaking. (That speaker might have > been "trained" to do this by being interrupted often if he pauses.) > > A radio (or TV) station which broadcasts speakers with high pitched voices (or > very low pitched / gravelly voices) (which older people might not be able to > hear properly) disrespects its listeners. Likewise if it broadcasts > extraneous or disturbing sounds (like gunfire or crying), or broadcasts > speakers using their native language (with or without an overdubbed > translation). > > | A news broadcast or snippet thereof which ends with the correspondent's name > instead of a recap of at least some key point(s) of the story does a > disservice to its (casual) listeners. > > A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects (and > offends) a large number of readers. ;-) >
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| From | Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 10:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMgDf-bcvN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274829 |
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:07:57PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode > > > > I assume (I know), but am not sure that I will be able to load Linux on that > > laptop -- can anyone tell me for sure? That should be the vendor. And if the vendor doesn't care, don't care about that vendor. > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do that. > > > > cc'ing me would be helpful, I subscribe to the list but can't keep up with > > reading it anymore -- I will try to pay attention for the next week or so for > > any responses. > > > > > > These are very much like a Chromebook-style cheap machine. Windows 11 S mode > is Windows 11 locked down to secure apps from the Microsoft Store. > > Be _especially_ careful on the disk size: this may be a flash disk or > whatever and not upgradeable. A bit small. > > A great machine for a primary school student whose school runs Windows. > Not so great for real use in my biased opinion - I have had Debian > running in 4GB and 32G of flash disk but it was painfully slow. Slow for todays standards. I did have fun with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC in the days. > Cheap machine at cheap price but your level of hardship may be commensurate. > > > Thank you! > > > > You're welcome. All the very best, as ever, Way too kind. Calling cheap asses cheap asses is IMNSHO better kindness for mankind. I'm in doubt what is better, expressing So you want Linux on a computer that is being sold without Linux. Somehow you got "cheap deal" and doubt in your mind. Then the doubt is redirected to this community. Only for the short term "cheap deal". That might be unawareness, but I'm bold enough to call it stupidy. Feel free to remain stupid, feel free to get some awareness. Try to understand what buying power is, try to imaginate that you want within five years another computer with Linux, imaginate that your neighbourg wants next month a computer with Linux. or ignoring the unreasonable request. > Andy Cater > (amacater@debian.org) > > > Rh Kramer > > | Sorry about the sig -- some people think it is too long -- it is my soapbox. Forty, 40, lines deleted. > > A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects (and > > offends) a large number of readers. ;-) That ';-)' is only sustainable in e-world. In real world it gets corrected. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 10:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JMgWB-bcRW-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274833 |
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 09:51:16AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: [...] > Way too kind. > > Calling cheap asses cheap asses is IMNSHO better kindness for mankind. Don't be so harsh on people. Rather be harsh on the corps fleecing them. Trying to get a cheap computer is understandable if your budget is low. This Asus thing is a honeytrap. It'll trap you into Windows, and it'll trap you into a box you'll have to throw away once the next Windows version comes out. At least that is what Asus gets from Microsoft for doing this -- but I'd guess they get some more kickback on top. Me? I have long stretches in my life where my budget is tight. I buy refurbished laptops (currently the luxury of a Lenovo x260 with 16G of RAM and a 2T SSD). Yes, it's my work machine. Cheers -- t
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| From | john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 11:40 +0100 |
| Subject | OT: Re: Trolling |
| Message-ID | <JMic2-bdy9-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274833 |
On 11/24/24 09:51, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:07:57PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> Groeten > Geert Stappers > This person is known to try to flame a conversation and is also doing that kind of trolling on the dnsmasq mailing list. -- John Doe
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 17:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Re: Trolling |
| Message-ID | <JMnln-bgVp-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274836 |
Hi, On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 11:37:03AM +0100, john doe wrote: > This person is known to try to flame a conversation and is also doing > that kind of trolling on the dnsmasq mailing list. Meanwhile over on debian-devel they are applying cluebats to screen reader users for top posting. Just not a very nice person to converse with, I think. https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/Z0GIEgfxqD4hRdBU@gpm.stappers.nl Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 18:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Re: Trolling |
| Message-ID | <JMohs-bhu6-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274836 |
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 11:37:03AM +0100, john doe wrote: > On 11/24/24 09:51, Geert Stappers wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:07:57PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > > Groeten > > Geert Stappers > > > > This person is known to try to flame a conversation and is also doing > that kind of trolling on the dnsmasq mailing list. For $DEITY's sake, folks. Try to stick to the message, not the person. Everything else makes a mailing list unlivable. Pretty please. Cheers -- t
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| From | Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> |
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| Date | 2024-11-24 23:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Re: Trolling |
| Message-ID | <JMtqN-bkCp-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274843 |
On 2024-11-25 01:01, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > For $DEITY's sake, folks. Try to stick to the message, not the person. > Everything else makes a mailing list unlivable. > Totally agree with you Tomas. Everyone's knowledge background is different, like me who is a beginner. The community should try to be inclusive and accepting, just like the open culture of Linux itself. Thanks.
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