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debian-to-windows message transfer

Started by"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
First post2024-11-16 05:40 +0100
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  debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 05:40 +0100
    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-16 05:50 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 06:50 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-11-16 10:50 +0100
          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-16 11:50 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2024-11-16 17:40 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-11-18 23:10 +0100
          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-11-19 08:50 +0100
    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-16 07:40 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-16 17:20 +0100
    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-16 11:30 +0100
    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-11-16 11:40 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@seestieto.com> - 2024-11-16 18:50 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-11-20 08:20 +0100
    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-16 14:20 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 19:20 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer eben@gmx.us - 2024-11-16 20:20 +0100
    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-16 19:10 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 20:30 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-16 20:50 +0100
          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 22:40 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-11-17 10:40 +0100
          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-17 15:40 +0100
            Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-17 15:50 +0100
              Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-17 18:50 +0100
                Re: debian-to-windows message transfer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-17 19:00 +0100
                Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-17 22:10 +0100
                  Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 02:20 +0100
                    Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 02:40 +0100
                      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 03:20 +0100
                        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 03:30 +0100
                          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 04:00 +0100
                        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 03:50 +0100
                          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 04:10 +0100
                          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 04:40 +0100
                            Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 05:30 +0100
                              Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 13:10 +0100
                              Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 17:50 +0100
                      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 03:30 +0100
                        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 03:40 +0100
            Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-17 16:30 +0100
              Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-17 16:50 +0100
            Re: debian-to-windows message transfer debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-11-17 17:40 +0100
      Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-16 22:00 +0100
        Re: debian-to-windows message transfer debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-11-17 10:40 +0100
          Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2024-11-17 11:40 +0100
            Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-17 16:30 +0100
              Re: debian-to-windows message transfer John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-11-17 17:00 +0100
                Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-17 18:20 +0100
                  Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-17 20:40 +0100

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#274580

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-16 22:40 +0100
Message-ID<JJyGm-9plx-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274577
On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 02:47:37PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>OK, add another item to the list:
>
>* Server-side blocking.  Whether based on the client's IP address or
>  user agent or cookies or any other data, the web server might be
>  rejecting this client's requests specifically.
>
>If you go to any web site that reports your IP address (for example,
><http://wooledge.org/myip.cgi>), do you get the same address from
>the Debian system and from the Windows system?

Same address:  38.100.76.16

I am familiar with blacklists.

I plan to install noscript this evening.

RLH

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#274589

Fromdebian-user@howorth.org.uk
Date2024-11-17 10:40 +0100
Message-ID<JJJV7-9wiJ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274576
"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 01:03:34PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >I've been thinking about this some more, and I'd like to try to list
> >all the ways the OP might have caused this to fail.
> >
> >We start by observing that nobody else has been able to reproduce the
> >OP's failure.  
> 
> Two or three  months ago, a guy in Australia and a guy in England
> reported the same problem (blank white screen).

I was the 'guy in England', but that's irrelevant because the problem
there was sites that were discriminating based on the user-agent string
supplied by the browser. Here it's simply a question of whether the
browser has javascript enabled. Same symptoms, completely different
cause.

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#274596

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-11-17 15:40 +0100
Message-ID<JJOBr-9z7b-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274589
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:34:00 +0000, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 01:03:34PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >I've been thinking about this some more, and I'd like to try to list
> > >all the ways the OP might have caused this to fail.
> > >
> > >We start by observing that nobody else has been able to reproduce the
> > >OP's failure.  
> > 
> > Two or three  months ago, a guy in Australia and a guy in England
> > reported the same problem (blank white screen).
> 
> I was the 'guy in England', but that's irrelevant because the problem
> there was sites that were discriminating based on the user-agent string
> supplied by the browser. Here it's simply a question of whether the
> browser has javascript enabled. Same symptoms, completely different
> cause.

Except the OP in this thread claims he has never disabled Javascript
(didn't even know what that *meant*), and in fact does not yet know
what's causing the problem.

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#274597

FromAndy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
Date2024-11-17 15:50 +0100
Message-ID<JJOL8-9zbi-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274596
Hi,

On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:30:20AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:34:00 +0000, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > I was the 'guy in England', but that's irrelevant because the problem
> > there was sites that were discriminating based on the user-agent string
> > supplied by the browser. Here it's simply a question of whether the
> > browser has javascript enabled. Same symptoms, completely different
> > cause.
> 
> Except the OP in this thread claims he has never disabled Javascript
> (didn't even know what that *meant*), and in fact does not yet know
> what's causing the problem.

In OP's first post they were talking like it was generally accepted
wisdom that a lot of web sites just don't work with Debian, so I did
reply to correct that, as that is not my experience. The rest of OP's
issues I did not comment on as it seems like it's going to be really
difficult to get to the bottom of this.

The other times I have seen things like this have been when assets like
javascript and CSS from remote URLs have been blocked by my browser for
whatever reason.

So, if OP is using things like pihole or adblockers that can happen. If
there is some reason why their Debian machine can't reach some hosts
that their Windows one can then that can happen.

It is likely that the debug console of Firefox (for example) would list
remote assets that have been blocked by the browser or failed to
download, but I am not up to talking OP through that.

Anyway, as I think we all mostly agree, there is some misconfiguration
going on here that is causing OP's web browsing experience on Debian to
be compromised.

Thanks,
Andy

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#274606

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-17 18:50 +0100
Message-ID<JJRzj-9AUt-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274597
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 02:41:24PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
>Anyway, as I think we all mostly agree, there is some misconfiguration
>going on here that is causing OP's web browsing experience on Debian to
>be compromised.

I have here a spare machine.  In the hope of resolving the matter in
the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of
Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option.

I am going to instruct Debian to use the entire drive, and to use my
approx server as the Debian repository.

As soon as the installation of Debian completes, I plan to use
Synaptic to install Firefox-ESR and Chromium from the Debian
repository.

At this point, I can connect the machine directly to the modem
provided by the ISP.

Have I forgotten anything?

RLH

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#274607

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2024-11-17 19:00 +0100
Message-ID<JJRIZ-9AXD-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274606

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On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 05:39:36PM +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 02:41:24PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Anyway, as I think we all mostly agree, there is some misconfiguration
> > going on here that is causing OP's web browsing experience on Debian to
> > be compromised.
> 
> I have here a spare machine.  In the hope of resolving the matter in
> the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of
> Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option.
> 
> I am going to instruct Debian to use the entire drive, and to use my
> approx server as the Debian repository.
> 
> As soon as the installation of Debian completes, I plan to use
> Synaptic to install Firefox-ESR and Chromium from the Debian
> repository.
> 
> At this point, I can connect the machine directly to the modem
> provided by the ISP.
> 
> Have I forgotten anything?

Yes, perhaps that the website is perhaps treating your IP address
differently (this possibility has been mentioned upthread).

They do that kind of thing.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#274615

FromCharles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com>
Date2024-11-17 22:10 +0100
Message-ID<JJUGR-9CWQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274606
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:39:36 +0000
"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:

> I have here a spare machine.  In the hope of resolving the matter in
> the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of
> Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option.

Possibly this is overkill. Try shutting down your browser, then moving
aside your browser configuration directory (i.e. renaming it), then
starting up your browser again. This will usually force the browser to
re-initialize everything.

That won't take nearly as long as a new installation would. And you can
reverse it when you are done.

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#274621

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-18 02:20 +0100
Message-ID<JJYAN-9Ffk-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274615
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 02:06:12PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:39:36 +0000
>"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:
>
>> I have here a spare machine.  In the hope of resolving the matter in
>> the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of
>> Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option.
>
>Possibly this is overkill. Try shutting down your browser, then moving
>aside your browser configuration directory (i.e. renaming it), then
>starting up your browser again. This will usually force the browser to
>re-initialize everything.

With the approx server, reinstallation is quick, and this being a
spare machine, there is no need to install a bunch of packages and set
up the desktop.  Anyway, the installation is complete, and now I have
a pristine installation, but the problem remains.  I am all ears.

The only customization I made was to install xfce rather than gnome.

I am using the browser (Firefox ESR) which was installed automatically
with the desktop (xfce).

For the installation (inside the LAN), the ip address was
192.168.1.48.  That resulted in a blank screen for chewy.com.

Now I connected the machine direct to the ISP-supplied modem, and used
auto-configuration, reporting an ip address of 192.168.11.12.  This
also results in a blank screen for chewy.com.  But arcamax.com
displays properly.

wooledge.org/myip.cgi reports an ip of 38.100.76.16.

RLH

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#274623

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-11-18 02:40 +0100
Message-ID<JJYUa-9Fl9-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274621
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 01:16:57 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> With the approx server, reinstallation is quick, and this being a
> spare machine, there is no need to install a bunch of packages and set
> up the desktop.  Anyway, the installation is complete, and now I have
> a pristine installation, but the problem remains.  I am all ears.
> 
> The only customization I made was to install xfce rather than gnome.
> 
> I am using the browser (Firefox ESR) which was installed automatically
> with the desktop (xfce).
> 
> For the installation (inside the LAN), the ip address was
> 192.168.1.48.  That resulted in a blank screen for chewy.com.
> 
> Now I connected the machine direct to the ISP-supplied modem, and used
> auto-configuration, reporting an ip address of 192.168.11.12.  This
> also results in a blank screen for chewy.com.  But arcamax.com
> displays properly.
> 
> wooledge.org/myip.cgi reports an ip of 38.100.76.16.

https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup reports a location of Texas for
this address, so server-side Geo IP blocking seems unlikely.

If no browser extensions have been installed, then the most likely causes
would seem to be a client-side firewall, or name resolution shenanigans.

What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file?

If you change the /etc/resolv.conf file to contain only "nameserver 1.1.1.1"
(without the quotes, of course), does anything change?

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#274624

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-18 03:20 +0100
Message-ID<JJZwR-9FMx-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274623
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 01:16:57 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>> The only customization I made was to install xfce rather than gnome.
>>
>> I am using the browser (Firefox ESR) which was installed automatically
>> with the desktop (xfce).

Hope, you did *not* log in into a Firefox account to sync bookmarks, 
add-ons, and some preferences.

You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the 
hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).

Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?

The Network tab ([Ctrl+Shif+E]) is another source of insights, but it 
requires some experience. What is the status of first record after 
reload (Initiator: document)? Are many other resources loaded?

On 18/11/2024 08:33, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
> 
> If you change the /etc/resolv.conf file to contain only "nameserver 1.1.1.1"
> (without the quotes, of course), does anything change?

For Firefox the authoritative source is about:networking#dns rather than 
/etc/resovl.conf since DNS over HTTPS is likely enabled by default. 
There is about:networking#dnslookuptool for queries.

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#274626

FromTimothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-18 03:30 +0100
Message-ID<JJZGx-9FPB-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274624

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I tested https://www.chewy.com/ on a clean install of FireFox ESR with no
plugins and the site works fine.

Try purging Firefox and reinstalling.

sudo apt purge firefox-esr

sudo apt install firefox-esr

Google Chrome also works fine with no issues as well.

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#274630

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-18 04:00 +0100
Message-ID<JK09z-9FYW-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274626
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:28:14PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
>I tested https://www.chewy.com/ on a clean install of FireFox ESR with no
>plugins and the site works fine.
>
>Try purging Firefox and reinstalling.
>
>sudo apt purge firefox-esr
>
>sudo apt install firefox-esr
> 
>Google Chrome also works fine with no issues as well.

I used su to get the root prompt (#).

apt installed firefox-esr from debian security.

Still a blank white page.

RLH

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#274629

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-18 03:50 +0100
Message-ID<JJZZT-9FVM-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274624
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>Hope, you did *not* log in into a Firefox account to sync bookmarks, 
>add-ons, and some preferences.

No, I did not.


>You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the 
>hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).
>
>Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?

A bunch.  Too many for me to type.


>The Network tab ([Ctrl+Shif+E]) is another source of insights, but it 
>requires some experience. What is the status of first record after 
>reload (Initiator: document)? Are many other resources loaded?

429 GET www.chewy.com / document html 4.23 kB 574 B

seven, with status 200


>For Firefox the authoritative source is about:networking#dns rather 
>than /etc/resovl.conf since DNS over HTTPS is likely enabled by 
>default. There is about:networking#dnslookuptool for queries.

I see a page with 20 or 30 lines.

RLH

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#274631

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-11-18 04:10 +0100
Message-ID<JK0jf-9Ghs-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274629
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 02:47:32 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > Hope, you did *not* log in into a Firefox account to sync bookmarks,
> > add-ons, and some preferences.
> 
> No, I did not.
> 
> 
> > You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the
> > hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).
> > 
> > Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?
> 
> A bunch.  Too many for me to type.

You can copy them and paste them into a file.  Then get the file onto
the system where you're writing emails, by whatever means necessary.

Even if there's no direct connection between those two systems, you can
send the file to something like termbin.com or paste.wooledge.org, then
download it onto the email-writing system.

Moreover, you should actually *read* the errors and try to determine
whether they might be relevant to your issue.  Anything that would
indicate a Javascript resource failing to load, for example, would merit
scrutiny, since we *know* that this site won't render without JS.

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#274632

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-18 04:40 +0100
Message-ID<JK0Mh-9Gxg-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274629
On 18/11/2024 09:47, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>> You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the 
>> hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).
>>
>> Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?
> 
> A bunch.  Too many for me to type.

Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages. (A 
hint: http://paste.debian.net/)

>> The Network tab ([Ctrl+Shif+E]) is another source of insights, but it 
>> requires some experience. What is the status of first record after 
>> reload (Initiator: document)? Are many other resources loaded?
> 
> 429 GET www.chewy.com / document html 4.23 kB 574 B

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status#429_too_many_requests

"429 Too Many Requests

     The user has sent too many requests in a given amount of time (rate 
limiting)."

Either you or some other users of the same provider send too many 
requests. Some pages tries to reload themselves when cookies, JS or 
other resources are blocked by add-ons or browser settings.

>> For Firefox the authoritative source is about:networking#dns rather 
>> than /etc/resovl.conf since DNS over HTTPS is likely enabled by 
>> default. There is about:networking#dnslookuptool for queries.
> 
> I see a page with 20 or 30 lines.

The entry for www.chewy.com is the most important to determine whether 
some DNS service blocks access to the site by sending another IP in 
response.

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#274633

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-18 05:30 +0100
Message-ID<JK1yF-9H2q-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274632
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:30:06AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>On 18/11/2024 09:47, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>>On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>>You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the 
>>>hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).
>>>
>>>Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?
>>
>>A bunch.?? Too many for me to type.
>
>Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages.
I thank you.

>hint: http://paste.debian.net/)
And I thank you again.

That was really easy!

The message id is russell#1

RLH

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#274641

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-11-18 13:10 +0100
Message-ID<JK8JP-9LuN-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274633
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 04:20:27 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:30:06AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > On 18/11/2024 09:47, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > > > You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in
> > > > the hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).
> > > > 
> > > > Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?
> > > 
> > > A bunch.?? Too many for me to type.
> > 
> > Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages.
> I thank you.
> 
> > hint: http://paste.debian.net/)
> And I thank you again.
> 
> That was really easy!
> 
> The message id is russell#1

Using a tiny amount of brute force to go back through the numbers
manually, I found it at <https://paste.debian.net/1335838>.

I'll let other people try to interpret the content.  We've already seen
that the 429 HTTP response means "Too Many Requests".  I don't know
whether the WebGL messages are important.

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#274647

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-18 17:50 +0100
Message-ID<JKd6O-9NXX-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274633
On 18/11/2024 11:20, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:30:06AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>>> Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?
>>
>> Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages.

> The message id is russell#1

I suspect that GL canvas on an error page is fingerprinting for the sake 
of protection against web scrapping or DDoS. Missed hardware graphics 
acceleration might add some score to classify your profile (new and thus 
unknown to trackers) as a bot.

Can you access the site from Windows immediately after getting 429 from 
Linux? It may help to distinguish ban based on public IP vs. 
fingerprinting (the latter may include local private IP and many other 
info).

You may try the following:
- Make a pause for several hours
- Open a new tab
- Open the "Network" tab in developer tools
- Enable persistent logs (a checkbox in the gear menu)
- Navigate to the site in this tab
- Check if you get an error immediately or after several redirections 
(3xx code)
- You may compare if request&response headers for first and last 
"document" request are similar. Click on entries in the network request 
table.

In the case of multiple redirections and enabled persistent logs, 
console may contain more messages.

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#274625

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2024-11-18 03:30 +0100
Message-ID<JJZGx-9FPB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274623
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 08:33:25PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup reports a location of Texas for
>this address, so server-side Geo IP blocking seems unlikely.

A rural area a little south of Austin.  My ISP is RTA (rtatel.com).


>If no browser extensions have been installed, then the most likely causes
>would seem to be a client-side firewall, or name resolution shenanigans.
>
>What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file?

# Generated by NetworkManager
nameserver 192.168.11.1
nameserver 208.67.222.222


The latter is openDNS which I specified during installallation.

>If you change the /etc/resolv.conf file to contain only "nameserver 1.1.1.1"
>(without the quotes, of course), does anything change?

No change.  (still connected directly to modem)

RLH

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#274628

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-11-18 03:40 +0100
Message-ID<JJZQd-9FSD-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#274625
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 02:21:20 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 08:33:25PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup reports a location of Texas for
> > this address, so server-side Geo IP blocking seems unlikely.
> 
> A rural area a little south of Austin.  My ISP is RTA (rtatel.com).

Your actual location isn't important; what I was checking is what the
internet *thinks* your location is.  But since your reported location
is in the US, you shouldn't be having any problems based on US web sites
thinking you're a "foreigner".

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