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| Started by | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| First post | 2024-11-16 05:40 +0100 |
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debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 05:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-16 05:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 06:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2024-11-16 10:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-16 11:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2024-11-16 17:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-11-18 23:10 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-11-19 08:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-16 07:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-16 17:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-16 11:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-11-16 11:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@seestieto.com> - 2024-11-16 18:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-11-20 08:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-16 14:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 19:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer eben@gmx.us - 2024-11-16 20:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-16 19:10 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 20:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-16 20:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-16 22:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-11-17 10:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-17 15:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-17 15:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-17 18:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-17 19:00 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-17 22:10 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 02:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 02:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 03:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 03:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 04:00 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 03:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 04:10 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 04:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 05:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 13:10 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-11-18 17:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2024-11-18 03:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-18 03:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-17 16:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-17 16:50 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-11-17 17:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-16 22:00 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-11-17 10:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2024-11-17 11:40 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-17 16:30 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-11-17 17:00 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-11-17 18:20 +0100
Re: debian-to-windows message transfer "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-17 20:40 +0100
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-16 22:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJyGm-9plx-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274577 |
On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 02:47:37PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: >OK, add another item to the list: > >* Server-side blocking. Whether based on the client's IP address or > user agent or cookies or any other data, the web server might be > rejecting this client's requests specifically. > >If you go to any web site that reports your IP address (for example, ><http://wooledge.org/myip.cgi>), do you get the same address from >the Debian system and from the Windows system? Same address: 38.100.76.16 I am familiar with blacklists. I plan to install noscript this evening. RLH
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| From | debian-user@howorth.org.uk |
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| Date | 2024-11-17 10:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJJV7-9wiJ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274576 |
"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 01:03:34PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >I've been thinking about this some more, and I'd like to try to list > >all the ways the OP might have caused this to fail. > > > >We start by observing that nobody else has been able to reproduce the > >OP's failure. > > Two or three months ago, a guy in Australia and a guy in England > reported the same problem (blank white screen). I was the 'guy in England', but that's irrelevant because the problem there was sites that were discriminating based on the user-agent string supplied by the browser. Here it's simply a question of whether the browser has javascript enabled. Same symptoms, completely different cause.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-17 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJOBr-9z7b-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274589 |
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:34:00 +0000, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote: > "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 01:03:34PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >I've been thinking about this some more, and I'd like to try to list > > >all the ways the OP might have caused this to fail. > > > > > >We start by observing that nobody else has been able to reproduce the > > >OP's failure. > > > > Two or three months ago, a guy in Australia and a guy in England > > reported the same problem (blank white screen). > > I was the 'guy in England', but that's irrelevant because the problem > there was sites that were discriminating based on the user-agent string > supplied by the browser. Here it's simply a question of whether the > browser has javascript enabled. Same symptoms, completely different > cause. Except the OP in this thread claims he has never disabled Javascript (didn't even know what that *meant*), and in fact does not yet know what's causing the problem.
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2024-11-17 15:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJOL8-9zbi-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274596 |
Hi, On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:30:20AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:34:00 +0000, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > I was the 'guy in England', but that's irrelevant because the problem > > there was sites that were discriminating based on the user-agent string > > supplied by the browser. Here it's simply a question of whether the > > browser has javascript enabled. Same symptoms, completely different > > cause. > > Except the OP in this thread claims he has never disabled Javascript > (didn't even know what that *meant*), and in fact does not yet know > what's causing the problem. In OP's first post they were talking like it was generally accepted wisdom that a lot of web sites just don't work with Debian, so I did reply to correct that, as that is not my experience. The rest of OP's issues I did not comment on as it seems like it's going to be really difficult to get to the bottom of this. The other times I have seen things like this have been when assets like javascript and CSS from remote URLs have been blocked by my browser for whatever reason. So, if OP is using things like pihole or adblockers that can happen. If there is some reason why their Debian machine can't reach some hosts that their Windows one can then that can happen. It is likely that the debug console of Firefox (for example) would list remote assets that have been blocked by the browser or failed to download, but I am not up to talking OP through that. Anyway, as I think we all mostly agree, there is some misconfiguration going on here that is causing OP's web browsing experience on Debian to be compromised. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-17 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJRzj-9AUt-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274597 |
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 02:41:24PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: >Anyway, as I think we all mostly agree, there is some misconfiguration >going on here that is causing OP's web browsing experience on Debian to >be compromised. I have here a spare machine. In the hope of resolving the matter in the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option. I am going to instruct Debian to use the entire drive, and to use my approx server as the Debian repository. As soon as the installation of Debian completes, I plan to use Synaptic to install Firefox-ESR and Chromium from the Debian repository. At this point, I can connect the machine directly to the modem provided by the ISP. Have I forgotten anything? RLH
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2024-11-17 19:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJRIZ-9AXD-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274606 |
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On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 05:39:36PM +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 02:41:24PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > Anyway, as I think we all mostly agree, there is some misconfiguration > > going on here that is causing OP's web browsing experience on Debian to > > be compromised. > > I have here a spare machine. In the hope of resolving the matter in > the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of > Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option. > > I am going to instruct Debian to use the entire drive, and to use my > approx server as the Debian repository. > > As soon as the installation of Debian completes, I plan to use > Synaptic to install Firefox-ESR and Chromium from the Debian > repository. > > At this point, I can connect the machine directly to the modem > provided by the ISP. > > Have I forgotten anything? Yes, perhaps that the website is perhaps treating your IP address differently (this possibility has been mentioned upthread). They do that kind of thing. Cheers -- t
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-17 22:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJUGR-9CWQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274606 |
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:39:36 +0000 "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote: > I have here a spare machine. In the hope of resolving the matter in > the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of > Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option. Possibly this is overkill. Try shutting down your browser, then moving aside your browser configuration directory (i.e. renaming it), then starting up your browser again. This will usually force the browser to re-initialize everything. That won't take nearly as long as a new installation would. And you can reverse it when you are done. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 02:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJYAN-9Ffk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274615 |
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 02:06:12PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: >On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:39:36 +0000 >"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote: > >> I have here a spare machine. In the hope of resolving the matter in >> the company of experts, I propose to do another installation of >> Debian, using netinst with the "expert" option. > >Possibly this is overkill. Try shutting down your browser, then moving >aside your browser configuration directory (i.e. renaming it), then >starting up your browser again. This will usually force the browser to >re-initialize everything. With the approx server, reinstallation is quick, and this being a spare machine, there is no need to install a bunch of packages and set up the desktop. Anyway, the installation is complete, and now I have a pristine installation, but the problem remains. I am all ears. The only customization I made was to install xfce rather than gnome. I am using the browser (Firefox ESR) which was installed automatically with the desktop (xfce). For the installation (inside the LAN), the ip address was 192.168.1.48. That resulted in a blank screen for chewy.com. Now I connected the machine direct to the ISP-supplied modem, and used auto-configuration, reporting an ip address of 192.168.11.12. This also results in a blank screen for chewy.com. But arcamax.com displays properly. wooledge.org/myip.cgi reports an ip of 38.100.76.16. RLH
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 02:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJYUa-9Fl9-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274621 |
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 01:16:57 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote: > With the approx server, reinstallation is quick, and this being a > spare machine, there is no need to install a bunch of packages and set > up the desktop. Anyway, the installation is complete, and now I have > a pristine installation, but the problem remains. I am all ears. > > The only customization I made was to install xfce rather than gnome. > > I am using the browser (Firefox ESR) which was installed automatically > with the desktop (xfce). > > For the installation (inside the LAN), the ip address was > 192.168.1.48. That resulted in a blank screen for chewy.com. > > Now I connected the machine direct to the ISP-supplied modem, and used > auto-configuration, reporting an ip address of 192.168.11.12. This > also results in a blank screen for chewy.com. But arcamax.com > displays properly. > > wooledge.org/myip.cgi reports an ip of 38.100.76.16. https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup reports a location of Texas for this address, so server-side Geo IP blocking seems unlikely. If no browser extensions have been installed, then the most likely causes would seem to be a client-side firewall, or name resolution shenanigans. What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file? If you change the /etc/resolv.conf file to contain only "nameserver 1.1.1.1" (without the quotes, of course), does anything change?
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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 03:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJZwR-9FMx-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274623 |
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 01:16:57 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote: >> The only customization I made was to install xfce rather than gnome. >> >> I am using the browser (Firefox ESR) which was installed automatically >> with the desktop (xfce). Hope, you did *not* log in into a Firefox account to sync bookmarks, add-ons, and some preferences. You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]). Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])? The Network tab ([Ctrl+Shif+E]) is another source of insights, but it requires some experience. What is the status of first record after reload (Initiator: document)? Are many other resources loaded? On 18/11/2024 08:33, Greg Wooledge wrote: > What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file? > > If you change the /etc/resolv.conf file to contain only "nameserver 1.1.1.1" > (without the quotes, of course), does anything change? For Firefox the authoritative source is about:networking#dns rather than /etc/resovl.conf since DNS over HTTPS is likely enabled by default. There is about:networking#dnslookuptool for queries.
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| From | Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 03:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJZGx-9FPB-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274624 |
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I tested https://www.chewy.com/ on a clean install of FireFox ESR with no plugins and the site works fine. Try purging Firefox and reinstalling. sudo apt purge firefox-esr sudo apt install firefox-esr Google Chrome also works fine with no issues as well. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 04:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JK09z-9FYW-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274626 |
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 09:28:14PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: >I tested https://www.chewy.com/ on a clean install of FireFox ESR with no >plugins and the site works fine. > >Try purging Firefox and reinstalling. > >sudo apt purge firefox-esr > >sudo apt install firefox-esr > >Google Chrome also works fine with no issues as well. I used su to get the root prompt (#). apt installed firefox-esr from debian security. Still a blank white page. RLH
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 03:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJZZT-9FVM-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274624 |
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: >Hope, you did *not* log in into a Firefox account to sync bookmarks, >add-ons, and some preferences. No, I did not. >You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the >hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]). > >Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])? A bunch. Too many for me to type. >The Network tab ([Ctrl+Shif+E]) is another source of insights, but it >requires some experience. What is the status of first record after >reload (Initiator: document)? Are many other resources loaded? 429 GET www.chewy.com / document html 4.23 kB 574 B seven, with status 200 >For Firefox the authoritative source is about:networking#dns rather >than /etc/resovl.conf since DNS over HTTPS is likely enabled by >default. There is about:networking#dnslookuptool for queries. I see a page with 20 or 30 lines. RLH
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 04:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JK0jf-9Ghs-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274629 |
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 02:47:32 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > Hope, you did *not* log in into a Firefox account to sync bookmarks, > > add-ons, and some preferences. > > No, I did not. > > > > You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the > > hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]). > > > > Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])? > > A bunch. Too many for me to type. You can copy them and paste them into a file. Then get the file onto the system where you're writing emails, by whatever means necessary. Even if there's no direct connection between those two systems, you can send the file to something like termbin.com or paste.wooledge.org, then download it onto the email-writing system. Moreover, you should actually *read* the errors and try to determine whether they might be relevant to your issue. Anything that would indicate a Javascript resource failing to load, for example, would merit scrutiny, since we *know* that this site won't render without JS.
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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 04:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JK0Mh-9Gxg-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274629 |
On 18/11/2024 09:47, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>> You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the
>> hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]).
>>
>> Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])?
>
> A bunch. Too many for me to type.
Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages. (A
hint: http://paste.debian.net/)
>> The Network tab ([Ctrl+Shif+E]) is another source of insights, but it
>> requires some experience. What is the status of first record after
>> reload (Initiator: document)? Are many other resources loaded?
>
> 429 GET www.chewy.com / document html 4.23 kB 574 B
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status#429_too_many_requests
"429 Too Many Requests
The user has sent too many requests in a given amount of time (rate
limiting)."
Either you or some other users of the same provider send too many
requests. Some pages tries to reload themselves when cookies, JS or
other resources are blocked by add-ons or browser settings.
>> For Firefox the authoritative source is about:networking#dns rather
>> than /etc/resovl.conf since DNS over HTTPS is likely enabled by
>> default. There is about:networking#dnslookuptool for queries.
>
> I see a page with 20 or 30 lines.
The entry for www.chewy.com is the most important to determine whether
some DNS service blocks access to the site by sending another IP in
response.
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 05:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JK1yF-9H2q-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274632 |
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:30:06AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: >On 18/11/2024 09:47, Russell L. Harris wrote: >>On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: >>>You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in the >>>hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]). >>> >>>Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])? >> >>A bunch.?? Too many for me to type. > >Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages. I thank you. >hint: http://paste.debian.net/) And I thank you again. That was really easy! The message id is russell#1 RLH
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 13:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JK8JP-9LuN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274633 |
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 04:20:27 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:30:06AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 18/11/2024 09:47, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:18:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > > You may try to open Web Developer Tools (under "More tools" in > > > > the hamburger menu, [F12] or [Ctrl+Shift+I]). > > > > > > > > Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])? > > > > > > A bunch.?? Too many for me to type. > > > > Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages. > I thank you. > > > hint: http://paste.debian.net/) > And I thank you again. > > That was really easy! > > The message id is russell#1 Using a tiny amount of brute force to go back through the numbers manually, I found it at <https://paste.debian.net/1335838>. I'll let other people try to interpret the content. We've already seen that the 429 HTTP response means "Too Many Requests". I don't know whether the WebGL messages are important.
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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JKd6O-9NXX-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274633 |
On 18/11/2024 11:20, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:30:06AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: >>>> Are there any errors in Console ([Ctrl+Shift+K])? >> >> Right click on any entry allows to copy or to save all messages. > The message id is russell#1 I suspect that GL canvas on an error page is fingerprinting for the sake of protection against web scrapping or DDoS. Missed hardware graphics acceleration might add some score to classify your profile (new and thus unknown to trackers) as a bot. Can you access the site from Windows immediately after getting 429 from Linux? It may help to distinguish ban based on public IP vs. fingerprinting (the latter may include local private IP and many other info). You may try the following: - Make a pause for several hours - Open a new tab - Open the "Network" tab in developer tools - Enable persistent logs (a checkbox in the gear menu) - Navigate to the site in this tab - Check if you get an error immediately or after several redirections (3xx code) - You may compare if request&response headers for first and last "document" request are similar. Click on entries in the network request table. In the case of multiple redirections and enabled persistent logs, console may contain more messages.
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| From | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 03:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJZGx-9FPB-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274623 |
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 08:33:25PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: >https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup reports a location of Texas for >this address, so server-side Geo IP blocking seems unlikely. A rural area a little south of Austin. My ISP is RTA (rtatel.com). >If no browser extensions have been installed, then the most likely causes >would seem to be a client-side firewall, or name resolution shenanigans. > >What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file? # Generated by NetworkManager nameserver 192.168.11.1 nameserver 208.67.222.222 The latter is openDNS which I specified during installallation. >If you change the /etc/resolv.conf file to contain only "nameserver 1.1.1.1" >(without the quotes, of course), does anything change? No change. (still connected directly to modem) RLH
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2024-11-18 03:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <JJZQd-9FSD-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #274625 |
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 02:21:20 +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 08:33:25PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup reports a location of Texas for > > this address, so server-side Geo IP blocking seems unlikely. > > A rural area a little south of Austin. My ISP is RTA (rtatel.com). Your actual location isn't important; what I was checking is what the internet *thinks* your location is. But since your reported location is in the US, you shouldn't be having any problems based on US web sites thinking you're a "foreigner".
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