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  Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 14:50 +0100
    Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-10 16:50 +0100
      Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 21:30 +0100
        Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-11-11 00:40 +0100
        Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-11 00:50 +0100
          Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-13 21:20 +0100
            Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-11-13 23:30 +0100
              Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-14 14:50 +0100
                Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-15 15:40 +0100
                  Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-15 17:00 +0100
                    Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-11-15 23:20 +0100
                  Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-15 22:50 +0100
                    Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-16 15:50 +0100
                      Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2024-11-16 16:00 +0100
                        Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-16 17:10 +0100
                      Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-11-16 18:10 +0100
                        Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-17 03:50 +0100

#274446 — Modern HP MFD printers and Debian

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I just bought a new printer, an HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP 4301fdw, to
replace my nine-year old HP MFP black and white laser printer (which was
always connected directly by wire to my home network).

My old printer served me well, especially after I discovered the HP
developers site and its code for Linux use.

Now I am trying their latest code and having problems getting it to work
smoothly. The latest code doesn't work correctly (two other users had
posted a work-around for Ubuntu but it failed for me), so I had to use the
C/Bash/Python code archive to compile and install the CUPS and other ways
to advertise the printer on the network.

I can now use it to do what I need it to do, but it's not very easy for
non-techies like my wife or guests to use because of several things:

1. Three devices are shown (CUPS, Bonjour, etc.) but only one works (I know
which one that is only by trial and error).

2. The default is for color printing, and I would like it to be non-color.

I have looked at the GitHub repo of <
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups-snap> and wonder if anyone has tried
using it on Debian 11 (or any other version). It looks like that's worth
trying--in the worst case I could always delete it and go back to the
current (ugh) solution.

BTW, I put the 'HP Smart' app on my wife's phone and the new printer works
fine with my current setup (if you know which printer to select).

Best regards,

-Tom

[@tbrowder on IRC #raku]

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#274447

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:40:54 -0600
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just bought a new printer, an HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP 4301fdw, to
> replace my nine-year old HP MFP black and white laser printer (which
> was always connected directly by wire to my home network).


> 
> Now I am trying their latest code and having problems getting it to
> work smoothly. The latest code doesn't work correctly (two other
> users had posted a work-around for Ubuntu but it failed for me), so I
> had to use the C/Bash/Python code archive to compile and install the
> CUPS and other ways to advertise the printer on the network.

I bought an HP LaserJet MFP M234sdw several years ago. It is a
so-called "driverless" printer. Your experience sounds a lot like mine.
If your printer is also "driverless" I suggest you get rid of all
printer drivers unless you need them for some other printer you haven't
mentioned.

You will probably  want HP's HP Smart app on your phone to administer
it, even though it is an officious proprietary blob.

And identifying which "printer" will actually work is a PITA, as you
have found.

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On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 09:49 Charles Curley <
charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:40:54 -0600
> Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just bought a new printer, an HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP 4301fdw, to
> > replace my nine-year old HP MFP black and white laser printer (which
> > was always connected directly by wire to my home network).
>
>
> >
> > Now I am trying their latest code and having problems getting it to
> > work smoothly. The latest code doesn't work correctly (two other
> > users had posted a work-around for Ubuntu but it failed for me), so I
> > had to use the C/Bash/Python code archive to compile and install the
> > CUPS and other ways to advertise the printer on the network.
>
> I bought an HP LaserJet MFP M234sdw several years ago. It is a
> so-called "driverless" printer. Your experience sounds a lot like mine.
> If your printer is also "driverless" I suggest you get rid of all
> printer drivers unless you need them for some other printer you haven't
> mentioned.
>
> You will probably  want HP's HP Smart app on your phone to administer
> it, even though it is an officious proprietary blob.
>
> And identifying which "printer" will actually work is a PITA, as you


Thanks, Charles.

I'm going to try installing the OpenPrinting snap HPLIP on top of my
current mess and see what happens.

-Tom

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#274460

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 6:07 PM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 09:49 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:40:54 -0600
>> Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I just bought a new printer, an HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP 4301fdw, to
>> > replace my nine-year old HP MFP black and white laser printer (which
>> > was always connected directly by wire to my home network).
>>
>> > Now I am trying their latest code and having problems getting it to
>> > work smoothly. The latest code doesn't work correctly (two other
>> > users had posted a work-around for Ubuntu but it failed for me), so I
>> > had to use the C/Bash/Python code archive to compile and install the
>> > CUPS and other ways to advertise the printer on the network.
>>
>> I bought an HP LaserJet MFP M234sdw several years ago. It is a
>> so-called "driverless" printer. Your experience sounds a lot like mine.
>> If your printer is also "driverless" I suggest you get rid of all
>> printer drivers unless you need them for some other printer you haven't
>> mentioned.
>>
>> You will probably  want HP's HP Smart app on your phone to administer
>> it, even though it is an officious proprietary blob.
>>
>> And identifying which "printer" will actually work is a PITA, as you
>
> I'm going to try installing the OpenPrinting snap HPLIP on top of my current mess and see what happens.

I install hplip, but I don't recall if that is on both Debian+Red Hat,
or Debian only. I also configure the server to only provide LPD and
IPP{S}.

My Color LaserJet Pro M252dw is configured like so: <https://ibb.co/C6PWqBN>.

I don't use 9100 Printing, AirPrint, Bonjour, mDNS, WS-Print and
friends. In fact, I remove distro packages that provide Bonjour and
mDNS because DNS is the source of truth on my network.

Jeff

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#274461

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:19:59 -0600
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm going to try installing the OpenPrinting snap HPLIP on top of my
> current mess and see what happens.

I suggest you use the debian packages hplip and hplip-gui instead of a
snap. Unless I have a really good reason to run a snap package, I
prefer to avoid them.

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#274517

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 17:48 Charles Curley
<charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:19:59 -0600
> Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to try installing the OpenPrinting snap HPLIP on top of my
> > current mess and see what happens.
>
> I suggest you use the debian packages hplip and hplip-gui instead of a
> snap. Unless I have a really good reason to run a snap package, I
> prefer to avoid

Oh my, I didn't realize those were packages.

I'm still running Deb 11 and, after I install the packages, I get an error:

    # hp-setup
    HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.24.4)
    Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 9.0

    Copyright (c) 2001-18 HP Development Company, LP
    This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
    This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
    under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.

    error: No module named 'PyQt4'

I tried running:
    sudo install backintime-qt4

but it made no difference.

And your Debian version is?

-Tom

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#274518

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 14:10:29 -0600
Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 17:48 Charles Curley
> <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> >
> > On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:19:59 -0600
> 
> Oh my, I didn't realize those were packages.

General advice: Always check to see if a package is available. There
are a variety of ways to do that, not least searching debian packages.
https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

> 
> I'm still running Deb 11 and, after I install the packages,

Please don't tell me what you did, show me *exactly* what you did, as
you did after running hp-setup.

> I get an error:
> 
>     # hp-setup
>     HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.24.4)
>     Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 9.0
> 
>     Copyright (c) 2001-18 HP Development Company, LP
>     This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
>     This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
>     under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.
> 
>     error: No module named 'PyQt4'

That sounds suspiciously like something that uses QT, a graphics
library. Try running it with no GUI: "hp-setup -i".

> 
> I tried running:
>     sudo install backintime-qt4

I don't know where you got that. I guess the command probably should
have been:

sudo apt install backintime-qt4

Regardless, looking at the description of backintime-qt4 ("apt-cache
show backintime-qt"), I don't think it will help you.

> 
> but it made no difference.
> 
> And your Debian version is?

I run 12 and 13 here, but I do have one box still running 11. 



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#274519

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 4:22 PM Charles Curley
<charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
...
> General advice: Always check to see if a package is available. There
> are a variety of ways to do that, not least searching debian packages.
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

Yes, I should have, but I was trying to read other stuff I gleaned
from a search for Linux and printers. Debian printer docs are VERY
confusing and not very clear IMHO.

> That sounds suspiciously like something that uses QT, a graphics
> library. Try running it with no GUI: "hp-setup -i".

Sorry about lots of finger-fumbles, but I will do that again to see if
it helps. Unfortunately, I did do that earlier with the manually
downloaded HPLIP package and it created the mess I'm still trying to
fix. I believe it takes some other Debian packages, but we'll see.

Thanks.

-Tom

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On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 7:46 AM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
...

I wound up, after some fumbling, to set up everything using some basic info
from HP documentation that came with the printer. I used Firefox to go to
the network address of my printer and it magically showed me the proper
setup screen where I was able to choose the settings I wanted.

I have tested all the desired MFP modes and can print from my PC as well as
from my iPhone and iPad, and my wife can, too.

The only scanner program that works for me is XSane, which also worked for
my old printer.

So far I cannot get scanning or copying to use the ADF in two-sided mode.

But I can use CLI 'lpr' now successfuly on pdf files, including two-sided
printing.

BTW, one big downside of the printer is Tray 1 doubles as the access to
changing the toner cartridges--and it is on the rear of the printer!  I'm
going to live with it, but, among other things, I would have at least named
it Tray 2!

I can live with it now, but I wish I had bought another brand.

-Tom

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On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 08:36 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
…

So far I cannot get scanning or copying to use the ADF in two-sided mode.
>

Sorry, I lied about two-sided copying: I can do that, but menu is not easy
to use.

-Tom

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#274534

On 11/15/24 10:50, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 08:36 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com 
> <mailto:tom.browder@gmail.com>> wrote:
> …
> 
>     So far I cannot get scanning or copying to use the ADF in two-sided
>     mode.
> 
> 
> Sorry, I lied about two-sided copying: I can do that, but menu is not 
> easy to use.
> 
> -Tom
I agree.  xsane has done that w/o excitement since forever, until 
bookworm. Now its one side at a time and a PITA. Printer sharing has 
disappeared too. What is happening to cups?

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 1:02 PM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 7:46 AM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> I wound up, after some fumbling, to set up everything using some basic
> info from HP documentation that came with the printer. I used Firefox to go
> to the network address of my printer and it magically showed me the proper
> setup screen where I was able to choose the settings I wanted.
>
> I have tested all the desired MFP modes and can print from my PC as well
> as from my iPhone and iPad, and my wife can, too.
>
> The only scanner program that works for me is XSane, which also worked for
> my old printer.
>

I use a program called simple-scan, it works great! I highly
recommend giving it a try. It is packaged and available through Debian Main
repo.


>
> So far I cannot get scanning or copying to use the ADF in two-sided mode.
>
> But I can use CLI 'lpr' now successfuly on pdf files, including two-sided
> printing.
>
> BTW, one big downside of the printer is Tray 1 doubles as the access to
> changing the toner cartridges--and it is on the rear of the printer!  I'm
> going to live with it, but, among other things, I would have at least named
> it Tray 2!
>
> I can live with it now, but I wish I had bought another brand.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>

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On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 15:44 Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> wrote:
...

>
I use a program called simple-scan, it works great! I highly
> recommend giving it a try. It is packaged and available through Debian Main
> repo.
>

I've tried that before, and I didn't think it worked for my printer.

But, now that all else is working, I tried it again and saw I probably
wasn't using the menus properly. and it works! I was able to scan two-sided
from my ADF and save to my files system and print it two-sided. I can do
the same thing in color, too.

Now I can do it all.

Thank you Timothy!

-Tom

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#274556

On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 8:45 AM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> Now I can do it all.

BTW, the program 'simple-scanner' shows in my MATE desktop
"Applications/Graphics" menu as  'Document  Scanner'.

-Tom

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On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 9:52 AM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 8:45 AM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > Now I can do it all.
>
> BTW, the program 'simple-scanner' shows in my MATE desktop
> "Applications/Graphics" menu as  'Document  Scanner'.
>

That is how it shows up in KDE as well.


>
> -Tom
>


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#274562

On 11/16/24 09:46, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 15:44 Timothy M Butterworth 
> <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com 
> <mailto:timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com>> wrote:
> ...
> 
> 
>     I use a program called simple-scan, it works great! I highly
>     recommend giving it a try. It is packaged and available through
>     Debian Main repo.
> 
> 
> I've tried that before, and I didn't think it worked for my printer.
> 
> But, now that all else is working, I tried it again and saw I probably 
> wasn't using the menus properly. and it works! I was able to scan two- 
> sided from my ADF and save to my files system and print it two-sided. I 
> can do the same thing in color, too.
> 
> Now I can do it all.

Please excuse me, at 90 yo my patience is wearing thin with debian.

I had not tried it. It was installed already. it may be able to do all 
that, my need for an ADF capable setup was solved yesterday but with may 
page of waste paper, I was trying to do a double sided scan of a death 
certificate. How to do that is totally hintless in its gui.

Shame on whoever removed the ADF handling from xsane. I wish I was back 
on wheezy, everything Just worked. I've lost scanning with the adf, ALL 
printer sharing, and it many cases the ability to control my high end 
brother printers tray selections. thats very important when the top tray 
carries $1.00 a sheet photo paper while the bottom tray carry's $9 a 
ream copy paper.

This app may work well, but the menu's need help. And where is the close 
button? I now have a workspace with its open gui I cannot close except 
killall.  That works.
> 
> Thank you Timothy!
> 
> -Tom
> 
I will also echo these thanks to Timothy. I would not have known about 
simple-scans ability to handle an ADF w/o his mention.  Much 
appreciated, thank you sir!

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#274585

> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2024 at 11:59 AM
> From: "gene heskett" <gheskett@shentel.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Modern HP MFD printers and Debian
>
> On 11/16/24 09:46, Tom Browder wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 15:44 Timothy M Butterworth 
> > <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > 
> >     I use a program called simple-scan, it works great! I highly
> >     recommend giving it a try. It is packaged and available through
> >     Debian Main repo.
> > 
> > 
> > I've tried that before, and I didn't think it worked for my printer.
> > 
> > But, now that all else is working, I tried it again and saw I probably 
> > wasn't using the menus properly. and it works! I was able to scan two- 
> > sided from my ADF and save to my files system and print it two-sided. I 
> > can do the same thing in color, too.
> > 
> > Now I can do it all.
> 
> Please excuse me, at 90 yo my patience is wearing thin with debian.
> 

I am very supprised that you have not transitioned to another distribution.

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