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  tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 14:30 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-04-15 15:10 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 16:10 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles eben@gmx.us - 2024-04-15 17:00 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-04-15 18:50 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-04-15 19:30 +0200
              Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:50 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:40 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:20 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-15 21:30 +0200
              Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 23:20 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-04-15 16:20 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:10 +0200
        kde troubles (was: tbird troubles) Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 09:10 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-04-15 21:20 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Matthew Lemon <matt@matthewlemon.com> - 2024-04-15 20:10 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:40 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 16:30 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-04-16 16:30 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-16 16:50 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 17:20 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-16 18:20 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 16:10 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-16 23:00 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-17 21:00 +0200
              Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-17 23:10 +0200
                Re: tbird troubles <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-18 07:00 +0200
                  Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-18 16:20 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 17:00 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-16 23:00 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-17 17:00 +0200

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#268888

On 2024-04-16, The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the
> windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In
> my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the
> File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.)
>

Yes, that's the "solution" I attempted to describe.

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#268889

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:39:42AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> > 
> >> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the 
> >> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
> > 
> > In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes
> > the other one also close.
> > 
> > I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same 
> > result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's
> > Exit menu choice.
> 
> From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report [...]

Thanks for actually reading the links for us -- I was too deep
in some ugly PHP code to do it myself ATM.

Makes sense, TB seems to remember its window configuration [1] when
closing, like its cousin but seems to remember "I had *two* windows
last time around", quite unlike its cousin.

Cheers

[1] Can't they just let the window manager do its job?

-- 
t 

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#268910

On 16/04/2024 23:11, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Makes sense, TB seems to remember its window configuration [1]
[...]
> [1] Can't they just let the window manager do its job?

I am in doubts if saving list of windows and list of folders and 
messages opened in all tabs of each window could and should be delegated 
to the window manager.

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#268890

On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
>>> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
>>
>> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes
>> the other one also close.
>>
>> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same
>> result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's
>> Exit menu choice.
> 
>  From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked to in
> this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good number of
> years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully fixable" or the
> like), neither of those is what is needed.
> 
> What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the
> windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In
> my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the
> File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.)
> 
> Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely (by
> any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it will come
> up with only one window.
> 
Thank you, that fixed it!

> The situation appears to be triggered by doing one of the UI actions
> that causes Thunderbird to open a new "main" window - which can happen
> by accident, e.g. by trying to detach a tab from the main Thunderbird
> window (which apparently doesn't open a new window with just that tab,
> but rather opens an entire new main Thunderbird window with the contents
> of that tab active). That in turn can (I would expect) be done
> accidentally by trying to drag a tab to a new position in the tab bar,
> but unintentionally dropping it at a place which is instead treated as
> outside of the window.
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268918

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On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote:

> On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:

>>> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window
>>> makes the other one also close.
>>> 
>>> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the
>>> same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the
>>> application's Exit menu choice.
>> 
>> From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked
>> to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good
>> number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully
>> fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.
>> 
>> What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one
>> of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File ->
>> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near
>> the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut
>> Ctrl+W.)
>> 
>> Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely
>> (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it
>> will come up with only one window.
> 
> Thank you, that fixed it!

You're welcome.

Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
different terms before I got to it.

All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a
different way to express it.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#268922

On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
>>>> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window
>>>> makes the other one also close.
>>>>
>>>> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the
>>>> same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the
>>>> application's Exit menu choice.
>>>
>>>  From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked
>>> to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good
>>> number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully
>>> fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.
>>>
>>> What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one
>>> of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File ->
>>> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near
>>> the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut
>>> Ctrl+W.)
>>>
>>> Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely
>>> (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it
>>> will come up with only one window.
>>
>> Thank you, that fixed it!
> 
> You're welcome.
> 
> Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
> links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
> advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
> different terms before I got to it.

Terms I may not have adequately understood, like Winston Churchill is 
reported to have once said about England and America, "two great 
countries separated by a common language." or words to that effect.  So 
my thanks to all who contributed, in what they thought was my mother tongue.

Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for 
learning English.  My schooling did not last long enough to have a 
chance to learn yours. My schooling ceased shortly after the 8h grade as 
I went to work fixing the then new-fangled things called tv's for a 
living in 1947. Mother gave me one very valuable thing, a near genius 
IQ. My employment history is widely varied. The tv cameras that were on 
the Trieste when it went down in the mohole in 1960, had my fingerprints 
in them. Now retired for 22 years from an 18 years stint in CE office at 
a tv station, I'm still working in the bleeding edge of 3d printing 
despite hoping to have 2 of my own design working by my 90th.  Many many 
thanks to those who have helped.

Take care and stay well all.

> All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a
> different way to express it.
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 05:00:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote:

[...]

> > You're welcome.
> > 
> > Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
> > links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
> > advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
> > different terms before I got to it [...]

Heh. Actually, this was a beautiful example of collaborative pondering.

It was eben's hint to start the thing from the command line and you
reporting the results (still two windows) what set me off to go with
the right terms to the search engine.

[...]

> Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for learning
> English [...]

Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of
languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up
with my mediocre English.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#268944

On 2024-04-18, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
>

> Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of
> languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up
> with my mediocre English.
>

I'm thankful to have learned enough French to have read the Proust book
(la Recherche...). 

It's remarkable and beautiful and intelligent in too many ways to
describe here (and funny, too). It kind of *is* literature. You need
look no further.

I've heard that Freud was a really good writer in German. But I fear I
lack the time and energy for that task.

:-)

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#268887

On 2024-04-16, Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
>> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
>> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
>
> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the
> other one also close.
>
> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same
> result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit
> menu choice.
>
>

I see. An Internet enquiry into the multiple-window problem produces many hits,
some of them over a decade old.

The most recent I've found (Dec 2023), advises simply creating another
profile and copying the old one over to the new one.

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069

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#268891

On 4/16/24 10:22, Curt wrote:
> On 2024-04-15, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
>> the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2
>> separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
>> working, but quitting one actually quits both.
>>
> 
> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
> 
> .
 From scratch, including a text entry in a shell.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268913

On 2024-04-16, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On 4/16/24 10:22, Curt wrote:
>> On 2024-04-15, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
>>> the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2
>>> separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
>>> working, but quitting one actually quits both.
>>>
>> 
>> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
>> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
>> 
>> .
>  From scratch, including a text entry in a shell.

What I meant is what the Wanderer elaborated with further
detail and clarity, working from the same bug report.

"Closing" the window of one of the supernumerary windows, and "quitting"
(exiting the mofo in the canonical manner) of the application with the
remaining one.

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