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  tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 14:30 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-04-15 15:10 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 16:10 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles eben@gmx.us - 2024-04-15 17:00 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-04-15 18:50 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-04-15 19:30 +0200
              Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:50 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:40 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:20 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-15 21:30 +0200
              Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 23:20 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-04-15 16:20 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:10 +0200
        kde troubles (was: tbird troubles) Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 09:10 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-04-15 21:20 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Matthew Lemon <matt@matthewlemon.com> - 2024-04-15 20:10 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-15 21:40 +0200
    Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 16:30 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-04-16 16:30 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-16 16:50 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 17:20 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-16 18:20 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 16:10 +0200
          Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-16 23:00 +0200
            Re: tbird troubles The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-17 21:00 +0200
              Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-17 23:10 +0200
                Re: tbird troubles <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-18 07:00 +0200
                  Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-18 16:20 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-16 17:00 +0200
      Re: tbird troubles gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-04-16 23:00 +0200
        Re: tbird troubles Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-04-17 17:00 +0200

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#268838 — tbird troubles

For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of 
the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 
separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of 
working, but quitting one actually quits both.

If I click anyplace outside this composer window, it put this composer 
window behind both gui's and to re-find the composer window, I have to 
move both gui's off it to find the composer window again. Frustrating 
and inconvenient as can be.

I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a heck 
of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? 
Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.

Anybody have a clue whats going on?

Thanks for any advice that works.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268839

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
> quitting one actually quits both.

How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
something?

How do you quit one of them?  Do you click an X or similar widget in
the window manager decorations, or do you use something like "File ->
Exit" from a menu?

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#268840

On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
>> quitting one actually quits both.
> 
> How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
> something?
> 
A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.

> How do you quit one of them?  Do you click an X or similar widget in
> the window manager decorations, or do you use something like "File ->
> Exit" from a menu?

Doesn't make any diff, I can click on the upper right quit button or 
from the tbird pull down menu. Either method quits both copies.

Thanks Greg.
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268842

On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
> On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
>>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
>>> quitting one actually quits both.
>>
>> How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
>> something?
>>
> A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.

Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.

--
My signature has gone AWOL again.

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#268844

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, eben@gmx.us wrote:
> On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
> > On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
> > > > gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
> > > > workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
> > > > quitting one actually quits both.
> > > 
> > > How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
> > > something?
> > > 
> > A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.

I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
sending multiple click events when he presses the button once.  This
is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.

> Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.

Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.

To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
xev window.  There should be exactly one press event, and one release
event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
held down.

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#268845

On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>> On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
>>> On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
>>>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
>>>>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
>>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
>>>>
>>>> How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
>>>> something?
>>>>
>>> A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
> 
> I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
> sending multiple click events when he presses the button once.  This
> is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.
> 
>> Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
> 
> Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.
> 
> To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
> running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
> xev window.  There should be exactly one press event, and one release
> event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click 
speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#268857

On 4/15/24 14:24, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 16 Apr 2024 at 01:20:03 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>>>> On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
>>>>>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
>>>>>>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
>>>>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>
>>>>> A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
>>> sending multiple click events when he presses the button once.  This
>>> is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.
>>>
>>>> Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.
>>>
>>> To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
>>> running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
>>> xev window.  There should be exactly one press event, and one release
>>> event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
>> I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click
>> speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed.
> 
> I don't think double-click speed can be used to debounce the mouse
> button, because it lengthens the time interval that two clicks are
> interpreted as a double-click. It can't turn two quick clicks into
> a single click.
> 
> I have a mouse that can turn one long press into two clicks: what's
> happening is that the wire loses continuity for a moment. I can see
> the xconsole logging a "New" USB device being connected, as it occurs.
> When it's bad, moving the mouse produces a stream of such logs.
> 
> But I would recommend Gene start tbird from a command line, to
> distinguish a tbird configuration fault from a menu action fault.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 
I get exactly the same thing from a keyboard launch, David.  Thanks.
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268855

On 4/15/24 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>> On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
>>> On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the
>>>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate
>>>>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
>>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
>>>>
>>>> How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you DOUBLE-clicking
>>>> something?
>>>>
>>> A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
> 
> I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and
> sending multiple click events when he presses the button once.  This
> is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons.
> 
>> Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
> 
> Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try.
> 
> To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try
> running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the
> xev window.  There should be exactly one press event, and one release
> event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's
> held down.
> 
> .
nothing registers on  the xev screen but the bacckground terminal goes 
bat shit nuts. I've had keyboard problems, could I be using two usb 
buttons that are rxing both keyboard and mouse?  Except this keyboard is 
a wired usb keyboard,  I just unplugged the mouse button and it 
dissappeared, and two buttons were plugged in so I'v now removed the one 
that did not rx the mouse. But that will not effect my dual tbird 
session started from the keyboard which is wired.

Thanks Greg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268851

On 4/15/24 11:00, eben@gmx.us wrote:
> On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies 
>>>> of the
>>>> gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 
>>>> separate
>>>> workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but
>>>> quitting one actually quits both.
>>>
>>> How do you launch it?  Are you clicking something?  Are you 
>>> DOUBLE-clicking
>>> something?
>>>
>> A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu.
> 
> Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
> 
Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same 
old same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other.
> -- 
> My signature has gone AWOL again.
So has the /n,-,-," "/n sig separater.

Thanks Eben

> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268854

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 03:10:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:

[...]

> > Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
> > 
> Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old
> same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other.

This, at least, rules out the mouse.

OK, asking my favourite search thingy (spoiler: it's not that one
with the big G) for 'thunderbird "two windows"' yields a couple of
promising hits (no time to peruse them right now, sorry):

  https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069
  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531588
  http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1962329
  https://blog.ueffing.net/post/2018/03/24/thunderbird-starts-with-two-window-instances/

At least, you don't seem to be the only one having the fun :)

HTH
-- 
tomás

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#268859

On 4/15/24 15:26, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 03:10:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens.
>>>
>> Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old
>> same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other.
> 
> This, at least, rules out the mouse.
> 
> OK, asking my favourite search thingy (spoiler: it's not that one
> with the big G) for 'thunderbird "two windows"' yields a couple of
> promising hits (no time to peruse them right now, sorry):
> 
>    https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069
>    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531588
>    http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1962329
>    https://blog.ueffing.net/post/2018/03/24/thunderbird-starts-with-two-window-instances/

That for a change actually makes me feel better. I seem to be the only 
one with much of this. I /think/ this started with the last tbird 
update, but I don't have a bible to swear on.
> 
> At least, you don't seem to be the only one having the fun :)
> 
> HTH
Thanks Tomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268841

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a
> heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? 
> Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.

You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than
gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run
several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained
by memory or other resources.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

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https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#268850

On 4/15/24 10:13, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400
> gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> 
>> I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a
>> heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff?
>> Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
> 
> You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than
> gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run
> several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained
> by memory or other resources.
32 gigs of memory. But the constraint is a 30-45 second delay in opening 
a new write path to nv storage.  This totally disables digikam's ability 
to import from my camera as it won't wait.  Shotwell works, but with 
several of these delays, gimp suffers as I wade thru the system looking 
for an image I want to smunch down to mailable size.  Same story for a 
firefox download. I'm waiting on trixie to see if it installs and fixes 
that. The whole machine is effectively frozen while whatever is timing out.

This install is about the 25th install of bookworm and has been a PITA 
ootb because the installer, on finding a usb-serial adapter, 
automatically installs orca and ttysomething to drive a teletype. 
thinking the user is blind. Have you ever tried to use a computer that's 
screaming every keystroke you enter at you? Makes the computer worthless 
to me. This install works because someone took pity on me way back then 
and told me to unplug all the usb stuff.

Yes I have serial adapters, I have and have had for 40 years, a 
housefull of X10 stuff, but that does not mean I'm blind. The installer 
should ask if I wanted it, it did not.

Thanks Charles.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268873 — kde troubles (was: tbird troubles)

On 2024-04-15, gene heskett wrote:

> 32 gigs of memory. But the constraint is a 30-45 second delay in opening a new
> write path to nv storage.  This totally disables digikam's ability to import

digikam is a kde application, so you need the kde stuff at least for it.
I use it too, have less memory, and still have no delay problems.

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#268852

On Monday 15 April 2024 10:13:06 am Charles Curley wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400
> gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> 
> > I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a
> > heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? 
> > Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
> 
> You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than
> gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run
> several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained
> by memory or other resources.
 
For whatever it's worth,  I too am running xfce as a desktop environment,  and do have some KDE stuff installed so therefore am seeing some of those files in place as well.  It's not been a problem for me so far...


-- 
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ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
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Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
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#268846

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On 15-04-2024, gene heskett wrote:
>For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of 
>the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 
>separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of 
>working, but quitting one actually quits both.
>
>If I click anyplace outside this composer window, it put this composer 
>window behind both gui's and to re-find the composer window, I have to 
>move both gui's off it to find the composer window again. Frustrating 
>and inconvenient as can be.
>
>I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a heck 
>of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? 

I recently wanted to get rid of a load of KDE cruft after I installed
xfce and elected to install sddm desktop manager with it (which is xorg
and a wayland session compatible), which by default seems to come with a
lot of KDE stuff in Debian.

`aptitude purge '?and(~i ?tag(suite::kde))'`

Be sure to check the output from aptitude you before it does
anything, it will ask you to confirm package changes. YMMV but it worked
nicely for me.

>Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed.
>
>Anybody have a clue whats going on?
>
>Thanks for any advice that works.
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
>-- 
>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> - Louis D. Brandeis
>

-- 
---
MR Lemon

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#268856

On 4/15/24 14:01, Matthew Lemon wrote:
> aptitude purge '?and(~i ?tag(suite::kde))'
I thought it was installed, but apparently is not.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#268884

On 2024-04-15, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of 
> the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 
> separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of 
> working, but quitting one actually quits both.
>

Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
remaining one, and then restarting your bird?

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#268885

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?

In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the
other one also close.

I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same
result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit
menu choice.

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On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the 
>> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
> 
> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes
> the other one also close.
> 
> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same 
> result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's
> Exit menu choice.

From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked to in
this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good number of
years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully fixable" or the
like), neither of those is what is needed.

What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the
windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In
my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the
File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.)

Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely (by
any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it will come
up with only one window.

The situation appears to be triggered by doing one of the UI actions
that causes Thunderbird to open a new "main" window - which can happen
by accident, e.g. by trying to detach a tab from the main Thunderbird
window (which apparently doesn't open a new window with just that tab,
but rather opens an entire new main Thunderbird window with the contents
of that tab active). That in turn can (I would expect) be done
accidentally by trying to drag a tab to a new position in the tab bar,
but unintentionally dropping it at a place which is instead treated as
outside of the window.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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