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  medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-24 16:10 +0100
    Re: medically smart watches Loïc Grenié <loic.grenie@gmail.com> - 2024-02-24 17:10 +0100
      Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-24 18:10 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-02-24 18:30 +0100
          Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-24 18:40 +0100
            Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-25 01:40 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2024-02-24 20:10 +0100
          Re: medically smart watches Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2024-02-25 09:30 +0100
            Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-25 11:20 +0100
              /etc/apt/sources.list example [WAS Re: medically smart watches] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-02-25 13:20 +0100
                Re: /etc/apt/sources.list example [WAS Re: medically smart watches] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-26 00:30 +0100
              Re: medically smart watches "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-02-25 20:20 +0100
                Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-26 00:40 +0100
                  Re: medically smart watches David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-26 04:30 +0100
                  Re: medically smart watches "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-02-26 23:00 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-25 00:20 +0100
    Re: medically smart watches Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-24 17:20 +0100
      Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-24 18:10 +0100
    Re: medically smart watches Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-24 22:30 +0100
    Re: medically smart watches hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-26 12:30 +0100
      Re: medically smart watches Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-02-26 13:30 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-26 16:00 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-26 17:00 +0100
      Re: medically smart watches Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-26 14:10 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-26 17:20 +0100
          Re: medically smart watches Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-02-26 21:00 +0100
            Re: medically smart watches Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-26 21:20 +0100
      Re: medically smart watches gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-26 15:50 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-02-26 16:50 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches hw <hw@adminart.net> - 2024-02-26 17:10 +0100
        Re: medically smart watches Loïc Grenié <loic.grenie@gmail.com> - 2024-02-26 17:20 +0100

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#267841

Am Montag, 26. Februar 2024, 12:24:34 CET schrieb hw:
> If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
> 5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
> use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
> phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
> bluetooth.
> 

I suppose, you have the same BT-dongle as mine.

I own a cheap medical watch from China (KR80 same as Fair Boltt Smartwatch), 
which obviously presents many watches, as most watches are suing the same App 
on the mobile device regardless of the manufacturer.

You find many videos on youtube related to the Fair Boltt watch.

So I guess, they are all working same way.

Here I have a Lenovo T520 with built-in bluetooth adapter and a TP-Link USB 
dongle.

I can confirm, the built-in adapter does NOT see the watch, however, the TP-
Link dongle does see it. Sadly I was not able to pair the watch, but I 
believe, I do not know the correct pairing number (1234 and 0000) did not work 
and on the watch is no option to set one.

However, on my mobile a pairing password or number is not needed and for 
pairing the special app is also not needed on the mobile.

This let me conclude, some other thing I must have missed.

For testing purposes I used kde in-built blue-tooth-manager and as well the 
app "blueman" from Gnome. I had the feeling, blueman is working more stable 
and smoother than the kde-built-in one.

If someone knows, how to pair these (maybe I have to take notice of some 
things), I will take a further look.

I hope, this helped a little bit more.

Best

Hans

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#267846

On 2/26/24 07:21, Hans wrote:
> Am Montag, 26. Februar 2024, 12:24:34 CET schrieb hw:
>> If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
>> 5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
>> use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
>> phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
>> bluetooth.
>>
> 
> I suppose, you have the same BT-dongle as mine.
> 
> I own a cheap medical watch from China (KR80 same as Fair Boltt Smartwatch),
> which obviously presents many watches, as most watches are suing the same App
> on the mobile device regardless of the manufacturer.
> 
> You find many videos on youtube related to the Fair Boltt watch.
> 
> So I guess, they are all working same way.
> 
> Here I have a Lenovo T520 with built-in bluetooth adapter and a TP-Link USB
> dongle.
> 
> I can confirm, the built-in adapter does NOT see the watch, however, the TP-
> Link dongle does see it. Sadly I was not able to pair the watch, but I
> believe, I do not know the correct pairing number (1234 and 0000) did not work
> and on the watch is no option to set one.
> 
> However, on my mobile a pairing password or number is not needed and for
> pairing the special app is also not needed on the mobile.
> 
> This let me conclude, some other thing I must have missed.
> 
> For testing purposes I used kde in-built blue-tooth-manager and as well the
> app "blueman" from Gnome. I had the feeling, blueman is working more stable
> and smoother than the kde-built-in one.
> 
> If someone knows, how to pair these (maybe I have to take notice of some
> things), I will take a further look.
> 
> I hope, this helped a little bit more.
It does shine a bit of light on some of the problems to be aware of.

Thanks Hans. Take care & stay well.
> 
> Best
> 
> Hans

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#267848

On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 13:21 +0100, Hans wrote:
> [...]
> However, on my mobile a pairing password or number is not needed and for 
> pairing the special app is also not needed on the mobile.
> 
> This let me conclude, some other thing I must have missed.
> 
> For testing purposes I used kde in-built blue-tooth-manager and as well the 
> app "blueman" from Gnome. I had the feeling, blueman is working more stable 
> and smoother than the kde-built-in one.
> 
> If someone knows, how to pair these (maybe I have to take notice of some 
> things), I will take a further look.

Some devices can not be paired.  Bluetooth sucks badly; it may or may
not work and it's always been like that.

Last time I bought something with bluetooth, it couldn't be paired and
I got a discount.  I don't need, nor want its bluetooth functionality
at all, and it's better that it doesn't work because it may make it
more difficult for potential attackers, so I got an even better deal
than it already was.

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#267842

Hi,

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote:
> How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> a blood sample?

Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be
able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels
that are near the surface. Neither method has yet proven to be
accurate, which is why they aren't certified as a medical device in
UK.

You can learn all about it by searching "non-invasive blood glucose
monitoring"

Thanks,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

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#267852

Well, I was merely hoping that someone might finally have come up with
a working solution ...


On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 13:07 +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote:
> > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> > a blood sample?
> 
> Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be
> able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels
> that are near the surface. Neither method has yet proven to be
> accurate, which is why they aren't certified as a medical device in
> UK.
> 
> You can learn all about it by searching "non-invasive blood glucose
> monitoring"
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy
> 

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#267861

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:47 PM hw <hw@adminart.net> wrote:
>
> Well, I was merely hoping that someone might finally have come up with
> a working solution ...

Stop smoking, lose weight, have a healthy diet and exercise.

Jeff

> On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 13:07 +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote:
> > > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> > > a blood sample?
> >
> > Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be
> > able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels
> > that are near the surface. Neither method has yet proven to be
> > accurate, which is why they aren't certified as a medical device in
> > UK.
> >
> > You can learn all about it by searching "non-invasive blood glucose
> > monitoring"

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#267862

>> Well, I was merely hoping that someone might finally have come up
>> with a working solution ...
> Stop smoking, lose weight, have a healthy diet and exercise.

And most importantly: be lucky!


        Stefan

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#267844

On 2/26/24 06:25, hw wrote:
> On Sat, 2024-02-24 at 10:03 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>> [...]
>> bluetooth, and It looks as if I have to buy a BT adaptor, so advise on
>> that front would be most welcome also.
>> [...]
> 
> If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
> 5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
> use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
> phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
> bluetooth.
> 
I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the neighbors 
wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can hear it, but 
this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe its duff, IDK.

> However, a while ago I found that the xbox controller did have
> connection issues in that the connection seemed to get interrupted, so
> I went back to using an USB cable.  I'm pretty sure it's a software
> problem because it worked fine at first.  I don't know if it's been
> fixed since because my workstation only has 4 USB ports of which 3
> are occupied and an USB cable extension is plugged into the 4th for
> the xbox controller.
> 
> How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> a blood sample?
> 
That is what the FDA is pushing. This shines a uv led, and claims to be 
able to measure by the color of the blood going by.  But w/o a bt 
connection to the net, it can't even tell the time, its about a month 
out of whack.

Thanks hw. Take care and stay well.
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#267847

Gene writes:
> I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the
> neighbors wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can
> hear it, but this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe
> its duff, IDK.

Bluetooth is not WiFi.  Different protocols.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#267850

On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 09:48 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On 2/26/24 06:25, hw wrote:
> > On Sat, 2024-02-24 at 10:03 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > bluetooth, and It looks as if I have to buy a BT adaptor, so advise on
> > > that front would be most welcome also.
> > > [...]
> > 
> > If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
> > 5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
> > use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
> > phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
> > bluetooth.
> > 
> I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the neighbors 
> wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can hear it, but 
> this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe its duff, IDK.

Well, the IP phone is neat because you can pair a smartphone and use
it to call contacts on your smartphone and talk through it instead of
the smartphone.  Smartphones aren't even useful for making phone calls
because their sound quality is too bad for that, not to mention the
endless latency that makes every call impossible.  It's not surprising
that you can't really hear anything with the speaker(s) and
microphone(s) in smartphones being so tiny.

> >  [...]
> > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> > a blood sample?
> > 
> That is what the FDA is pushing. This shines a uv led, and claims to be 
> able to measure by the color of the blood going by.  But w/o a bt 
> connection to the net, it can't even tell the time, its about a month 
> out of whack.

Pushing?  It would sure be nice to have some sufficiently reliable
device for measuring blood sugar that doesn't require test strips and
doesn't need to be implanted or otherwise has to constantly remain
attached your body.  It's always a nightmare to get test strips, and
you never get enough of them.

Even if someone is trying to push the research and development, better
don't hold your breath.  Manufacturers are making way too much money
with the test strips to go for anything else unless they can make more
money with that than with the strips.

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#267851

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On Mon Feb 26th, 2024, at 15:49, Gene Heskett wrote:

> I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the neighbors
> wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can hear it, but
> this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe its duff, IDK.
>

     I seriously doubt the watch has a wifi radio. Even if it has, you
  cannot see it because it's a client, not a server (that's the way
  wifi works).


> But w/o a bt
> connection to the net, it can't even tell the time, its about a month
> out of whack.
>

    Even if you can pair it to your computer, I seriously doubt you can
  do anything because you'd need a program that is able to tell it
  what time it is (and I do not even talk about asking it about
  glucose levels -- but that's probably not a problem, because
  if it were that easy to do reliably, you'd find a lot of big-brand
  products doing it, and they would get a certification).

         Loïc

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