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    Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?) Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-07-03 23:30 +0200
    Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in  Bookworm?) Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net> - 2024-07-04 22:30 +0200
        Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?) Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-07-04 23:00 +0200
      Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in  Bookworm?) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-07-04 23:00 +0200
      Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-07-05 01:10 +0200

#270782 — Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?)

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Hi van Snyder,

I believe I got a solution. However, you may not be happy with it, but maybe it will work.



I am running the kernel 6.7.12+bpo-amd64 on my system. This is a backport kernel, but it 
might also work with other kernels, too.

You also need to install the build environment, the easiest way is to use module-assistant.

If you got this set and installed linux-headers and so on, then do the following:

First, enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list

 deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

then do 

apt update

apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver firmware-misc-nonfree

This should install all necessary files and build the kernel module. Here it did work. However, I 
had to use 390xx instead of 340xx, but both built here fine.

After it, reboot and try again if it is working.

Sometimes, nvidia-detect says, use 340xx-legacy, but I had some cases, where I in real had to 
use 390xx. So, if 340xx is not working, try 390xx.

Note: Do NOT upgrade any other files! I suggest, after installing both packages as above, 
remove the sid entry from sources.list and do again an 
apt update. Thus you are not going into the danger, to install any more packages from sid.

If you need bumblebee or primusrun, because you have two GPUs (one in the CPU and one 
extern), then use the packages from stable. This will work!

My notebook is a Lenovo T520 with Intel CPU (and internal Intel GPU) and also NVidia GPU as 
external GPU (soldered on mainboard). I have to use optimus, to get my external GPU.
 
I got my information from this site.
 
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers[1]

Hope, this helps. 

Ah, and last but not least: Big thanks to the lads and guys, who made 340xx and 390xx 
buildable again, great work! Big big thank you!!! 

Here on my system, 390xx is working like a charm.

Good luck!

Hans 

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[1] https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

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#270837 — Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?)

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On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 23:24 +0200, Hans wrote:
> Hi van Snyder,
> 
> I believe I got a solution. However, you may not be happy with it,
> but maybe it will work.

The solution did indeed allow to install the driver. But.... it removed
at least KDE, and now it won't enter run level 5. I added
nouveau.modeset=0 to the "linux" line in grub.cfg, but it's still
running the nouveau driver, or at least that's what inxi -G reports:

# inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] driver: N/A
Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB
Display: unspecified server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.0
driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau gpu:
N/A
API: EGL v: N/A drivers: N/A platforms: N/A
API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable for root.

I tried "apt install kde\*" but it refused, saying "you have held
broken packages."

I've been told that Mint includes NVidia drivers, so I'll try that
next. I don't have a choice for my laptop, where the NVidia graphic
chip is soldered to the mother board, but for my desktop if Mint
doesn't work out, I'll give serious consideration to getting a
supported video card from *not* NVidia.

> 
> 
> 
> I am running the kernel 6.7.12+bpo-amd64 on my system. This is a
> backport kernel, but it might also work with other kernels, too.
> 
> You also need to install the build environment, the easiest way is to
> use module-assistant.
> If you got this set and installed linux-headers and so on, then do
> the following:
> 
> First, enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
>  deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free non-
> free-firmware
> 
> then do 
> 
> apt update
> 
> apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver firmware-misc-nonfree
> 
> This should install all necessary files and build the kernel module.
> Here it did work. However, I had to use 390xx instead of 340xx, but
> both built here fine.
> 
> After it, reboot and try again if it is working.
> 
> Sometimes, nvidia-detect says, use 340xx-legacy, but I had some
> cases, where I in real had to use 390xx. So, if 340xx is not working,
> try 390xx.
> 
> Note: Do NOT upgrade any other files! I suggest, after installing
> both packages as above, remove the sid entry from sources.list and do
> again an 
> apt update. Thus you are not going into the danger, to install any
> more packages from sid.
> 
> If you need bumblebee or primusrun, because you have two GPUs (one in
> the CPU and one extern), then use the packages from stable. This will
> work!
> 
> My notebook is a Lenovo T520 with Intel CPU (and internal Intel GPU)
> and also NVidia GPU as external GPU (soldered on mainboard). I have
> to use optimus, to get my external GPU.
>  
> I got my information from this site.
>  
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 
> Hope, this helps. 
> 
> Ah, and last but not least: Big thanks to the lads and guys, who made
> 340xx and 390xx buildable again, great work! Big big thank you!!! 
> 
> Here on my system, 390xx is working like a charm.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Hans 

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#270838

This should not have been happened. Maybe you dis something in a wrong way? 

I treid myself and it did not deinstall kde. 

It is important, not to do any upgrade while the entry for sid is in 
sources.list. 

Just install both packages (as told in the wiki), then after this install 
remove the sid entry at once and repeat an apt update again (this will delte 
all entries from the sid repo). This step is really important!

So you will only get both packages and its dependencies, nothing more. 

It also will not deinstall kde, if doing so.

I suppose, you might have forgotten to do an apt update after installing the 
two packages, so it looks for me, and of course, then it will deinstall 
packages with missing dependencies.

Solution? Hmm, make sure, the sid entry is removed from sources.list. Then do 
an apt-get update and apt-get install --reinstall task-kde-desktop (or with 
your language i.e. task-german-kde-desktop).

This should reinstall all necessary packages again.

So note: If you do an apt-get update, aptitude update or apt update, you can 
retrieve to the package list of only packages of the repo, which are active in 
sources.list. Any of the above commands will set actualise the package lists.

Hope, this helps.

Best

Hans


> at least KDE, and now it won't enter run level 5. I added
> nouveau.modeset=0 to the "linux" line in grub.cfg, but it's still
> running the nouveau driver, or at least that's what inxi -G reports:
> 

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#270839 — Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?)

On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 01:24:21PM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 23:24 +0200, Hans wrote:
> > Hi van Snyder,
> > 
> > I believe I got a solution. However, you may not be happy with it,
> > but maybe it will work.
> 
> The solution did indeed allow to install the driver. But.... it removed
> at least KDE, and now it won't enter run level 5. I added
> nouveau.modeset=0 to the "linux" line in grub.cfg, but it's still
> running the nouveau driver, or at least that's what inxi -G reports:
> 

Hi,

For the laptop - a clean install with nouveau _should_ work. Forget the
Nvidia proprietary driver - it's no longer supported by them and if the
Debian-packaged version is also obsolescent that's the end of it.

> 
> I've been told that Mint includes NVidia drivers, so I'll try that
> next. I don't have a choice for my laptop, where the NVidia graphic
> chip is soldered to the mother board, but for my desktop if Mint
> doesn't work out, I'll give serious consideration to getting a
> supported video card from *not* NVidia.
> 

Linux Mint current version is based on Ubuntu 22.04 - so is also
unlikely to have the drivers now. LMDE is based on Bookworm.
The favoured desktop for Mint has always been Cinnamon, I think.

Some older Nvidia cards for the desktop work relatively well with
nouveau - I've got a 1050ti and a 1060? in two machines here which work
well enough under GNOME.

> >  
> > I got my information from this site.
> >  
> > https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> > 

The above is my usual go-to for Debian and Nvidia too

Good luck and best wishes, however it all works out

Andy
(amacater@debian.org) 

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#270845 — Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs

Van Snyder composed on 2024-07-04 13:24 (UTC-0700):

> The solution did indeed allow to install the driver. But.... it removed
> at least KDE, and now it won't enter run level 5. I added
> nouveau.modeset=0 to the "linux" line in grub.cfg, but it's still
> running the nouveau driver, or at least that's what inxi -G reports:

> # inxi -G
> Graphics:
> Device-1: NVIDIA G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] driver: N/A
> Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB
> Display: unspecified server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.0
> driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau gpu:
> N/A
> API: EGL v: N/A drivers: N/A platforms: N/A
> API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable for root.

inxi -G doesn't report much. For troubleshooting is needed the works: inxi -GSaz,
to include the kernel command line, to exclude privates, and show everything inxi
understands about graphics that isn't a privacy concern. If using the version
released with Bookworm, you're not getting a complete picture. It's had more
defect fixes for G since last year. It's upgradable with its -U switch if you
override the override that disables -U in /etc/inxi.conf. The current version is
about 2 weeks old. If using Bullseye's version, -G is very broken.

Disabling KMS, denying the loading of the nouveau kernel module, by including
nomodeset or nouveau.modeset=0, guarantees neither nouveau display driver nor the
default display driver modesetting can work, thus leaving you with 1280x1024 or
worse, such as no X at all, or even no video at all.

> I tried "apt install kde\*" but it refused, saying "you have held
> broken packages."

Plasma is demanding. I'm not sure it or SDDM or Wayland can run without KMS
enabled, unless a proprietary NVidia driver can be used. Tesla models need not
attempt using NVidia drivers. I think the same can be said of Fermis.

> I've been told that Mint includes NVidia drivers, so I'll try that

Mint is due very soon for a new release based on Ubuntu 24.04. That's unlikely to
help users of old NVidia GPUs.
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