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  mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Heriberto Avelino <heriberto.avelino@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 17:30 +0200
    Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? eben@gmx.us - 2024-06-19 18:00 +0200
    Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-19 19:10 +0200
    Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Heriberto Avelino <heriberto.avelino@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 21:40 +0200
      Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? eben@gmx.us - 2024-06-19 23:10 +0200
      Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-06-20 06:40 +0200
      Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-20 07:10 +0200
        Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-06-21 04:20 +0200
          Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-21 06:50 +0200
            Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 05:00 +0200
              Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-22 13:50 +0200
                Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-06-22 14:40 +0200
                  Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-22 15:40 +0200
                Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-06-22 16:00 +0200
                  Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-22 19:40 +0200
                    Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-22 22:20 +0200
                    Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-06-23 00:40 +0200
                      Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-23 11:50 +0200
                Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-22 19:00 +0200
                  Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-06-22 19:20 +0200
                    Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-22 19:50 +0200
                      Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-06-23 18:40 +0200
                        Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-06-23 19:20 +0200
                        Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! (was: mounting  external hard drive...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-23 23:00 +0200
                          Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-06-24 01:10 +0200
                          Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! (was: mounting external hard drive...) CHRIS M <CHRIS@cwm030.com> - 2024-06-24 04:40 +0200
                            Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-06-24 04:50 +0200
                            Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-24 05:00 +0200
                        Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-24 17:40 +0200
                          Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-06-25 00:00 +0200
                Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 23:20 +0200
                  Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-22 23:50 +0200

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#270384

On 06/22/2024 12:13 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Rather than creating a customized Debian Live image, I install Debian onto
>> a USB flash drive or onto a 2.5" SATA SSD connected via a USB-SATA adapter
>> cable:
> 
> +1
> 
> It's pretty easy to make a simple Debian install on some old USB key you
> have lying around and it comes really handy.
> 
> 
>          Stefan
> 
> 

Snicker
Relevant laptop is so old I don't know if it can boot from a physical 
USB device. I was suspecting that simplest thing would be copying 
suitable image to hard drive and let GRUB earn its keep ;}

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#270412

> Relevant laptop is so old I don't know if it can boot from a physical USB
> device. I was suspecting that simplest thing would be copying suitable image
> to hard drive and let GRUB earn its keep ;}

Indeed my trusty old Thinkpad X30 doesn't boot from USB keys (tho in
theory it can boot from a USB floppy reader), so I use one of two
alternative options:

- Boot using the Grub on the X30's own HDD, and then ask Grub to boot
  the kernel+initrd found on the USB key (this is my favorite solution).

- Copy the USB key's kernel+initrd to the /boot partition on the X30's
  HDD and boot from that.

- Take the HDD out of the X30 and connect it to my desktop via some
  HDD<->USB adapter.  Then do what I need to do to it from the comfort
  of my desktop computer, typically using `chroot` along the way (this
  is the second best).


        Stefan

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#270413

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On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 12:35:19PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> Indeed my trusty old Thinkpad X30 [...]

> - Take the HDD out of the X30 [...]

Ah, the old Thinkpads. Swapping out the HD always just one screw away.

I'll miss my old X230 (one of the last capable of this trick) which is
in process of being replaced with a sleek and snobby X260. OTOH, the old
one is promised to a nice person who's in need of one.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#270415 — Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! (was: mounting external hard drive...)

Stefan Monnier composed on 2024-06-23 12:35 (UTC-0400):
...
FWIW, this reply goes to list because I expect high probability Stefan would not
see it otherwise. Most mailing list posts flow through to me unimpeded. Not so
with Stefan's. AFAICT, every one of his is captured by Earthlink.net's "known
spam" folder. The only ways I can see them are via the web archive, and by opening
webmail, so that I can extract them from "known spam".

Stefan's isn't the only, but few others from any source become repeats, one of
which is every notification of new post added to subscribed thread on
forums.opensuse.org.

Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed email into "known spam" is futile. The
mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work with debian mailing
list posts.

:~(
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

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#270416 — Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!

[ Sent directly to debian-user@lists.  ]

> FWIW, this reply goes to list because I expect high probability Stefan would not
> see it otherwise. Most mailing list posts flow through to me unimpeded. Not so
> with Stefan's. AFAICT, every one of his is captured by Earthlink.net's "known
> spam" folder. The only ways I can see them are via the web archive, and by opening
> webmail, so that I can extract them from "known spam".

My crystal ball suggests it's because I [read and] send them via Gmane,
and of course Gmane can't DKIM-sign my messages (and neither can my NNTP
client).


        Stefan

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#270418 — Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! (was: mounting external hard drive...)

On Sunday 23 June 2024 03:54:36 pm Felix Miata wrote:
>
> Stefan's isn't the only, but few others from any source become repeats, one
> of which is every notification of new post added to subscribed thread on
> forums.opensuse.org.
>
> Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed email into "known spam" is
> futile. The mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work
> with debian mailing list posts.
>
> :~(

Sounds like its time to turn off Earthlink's Spam filtering and teach 
SeaMonkey Mail, what *IS* spam and what is *NOT* and is HAM / good mail. 

I've got the time / and somewhat patience to sit down at each mail check with 
TDE KMAIL and teach TDE KMAIL what is GOOD / HAM emails, and what is NOT and 
is SPAM. #YMMV.
-- 
============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
 
CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

~* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~*
*~~1 TB SSD*~~
~*15.5 GiB of ram*~
~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

~FYI, TDE is a continuation of KDE 3.x ~
~ Q4OS is based off of the latest Debian Version~

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#270419 — Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!

Felix Miata wrote:
> Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed email into "known spam" is
> futile. The mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work
> with debian mailing list posts.

Quit using EL email.  Use Pobox.  Yes, it costs money.  It's worth it.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#270420 — Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!

CHRIS M composed on 2024-06-23 21:36 (UTC-0500):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Stefan's isn't the only, but few others from any source become repeats, one
>> of which is every notification of new post added to subscribed thread on
>> forums.opensuse.org.

>> Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed email into "known spam" is
>> futile. The mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work
>> with debian mailing list posts.

>> :~(

> Sounds like its time to turn off Earthlink's Spam filtering

I would LOVE to, but cannot find a way to do so. The only option offered is to
make it more intrusive. It used to not be a problem, before DMARC, before the
Earthlink/Yahoo war to see who could blackhole more non-spam from each other.

John Hasler composed on 2024-06-23 21:41 (UTC-0500):

> Quit using EL email.  Use Pobox.  Yes, it costs money.  It's worth it.

I've been with EL 18 years, SeaMonkey longer (originally as Mozilla Suite, before
Firefox existed). EL is not free, but it doesn't shove IMAP at me. I like my email
addresses. My people have known them long, understand the word, and don't ask how
to spell it.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

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#270433

On 06/23/2024 11:35 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Relevant laptop is so old I don't know if it can boot from a physical USB
>> device. I was suspecting that simplest thing would be copying suitable image
>> to hard drive and let GRUB earn its keep ;}
> 
> Indeed my trusty old Thinkpad X30 doesn't boot from USB keys (tho in
> theory it can boot from a USB floppy reader), so I use one of two
> alternative options:
> 
> - Boot using the Grub on the X30's own HDD, and then ask Grub to boot
>    the kernel+initrd found on the USB key (this is my favorite solution).

I think this is the path I should follow. It explicitly handles my 
immediate problem and most likely satisfactorily handles issue(s) on 
other machine(s).

Where would I find relevant GRUB documentation?


> 
> - Copy the USB key's kernel+initrd to the /boot partition on the X30's
>    HDD and boot from that.

Can I copy the USB key's kernel+initrd to a currently empty partition 
and then treat it in manner similar to USB key above? [goal being not to 
mess with a currently functioning system ;]

> 
> - Take the HDD out of the X30 and connect it to my desktop via some
>    HDD<->USB adapter.  Then do what I need to do to it from the comfort
>    of my desktop computer, typically using `chroot` along the way (this
>    is the second best).
> 
> 
>          Stefan
> 
> 

Thank you.

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#270448

>> - Boot using the Grub on the X30's own HDD, and then ask Grub to boot
>>    the kernel+initrd found on the USB key (this is my favorite solution).
> I think this is the path I should follow. It explicitly handles my immediate
> problem and most likely satisfactorily handles issue(s) on other machine(s).
> Where would I find relevant GRUB documentation?

IIRC the main question is whether your Grub comes with support for USB storage.
If it doesn't you're out of luck.
If it does, it should be a small matter of typing

    set root=<THEDISK>,<THEPARTITION>
    linux /<THEKERNEL>
    initrd /<THEINITRD>

where those things can be completed with the help of TAB completion.

But it may depend on what exactly you're booting from that disk, which
may require specific arguments to be passed to the kernel.

>> - Copy the USB key's kernel+initrd to the /boot partition on the X30's
>>    HDD and boot from that.
> Can I copy the USB key's kernel+initrd to a currently empty partition and
> then treat it in manner similar to USB key above? [goal being not to mess
> with a currently functioning system ;]

Yes.


        Stefan

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#270388

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:48 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
> [...]
> Thank you for reminding me of live images just now. Perfect timing.
> I have an i386 machine with some atypical constraints.
> https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ states only amd64 images are currently
> available.
>
> Questions:
>    1. What is latest i386 live image available in some archive?
>    2. I have a working machine that will take a current full install
>       of an i386 system. Can an average user create his own i386 live
>       install image?

According to <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/>:

    We don't store/serve the full set of ISO images for all
    architectures, to reduce the amount of space taken up on the mirrors.
    You can use the jigdo tool to recreate the missing ISO images instead.

The link provided for the jigdo tool is
<https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#why-jigdo>.

Jeff

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#270389

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 05:18:53PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:48 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> wrote:
> > [...]
> > Thank you for reminding me of live images just now. Perfect timing.
> > I have an i386 machine with some atypical constraints.
> > https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ states only amd64 images are currently
> > available.
> >
> > Questions:
> >    1. What is latest i386 live image available in some archive?
> >    2. I have a working machine that will take a current full install
> >       of an i386 system. Can an average user create his own i386 live
> >       install image?
> 
> According to <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/>:
> 
>     We don't store/serve the full set of ISO images for all
>     architectures, to reduce the amount of space taken up on the mirrors.
>     You can use the jigdo tool to recreate the missing ISO images instead.
> 
> The link provided for the jigdo tool is
> <https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#why-jigdo>.
> 

Note: debian-cd and debian-live build scripts are different.

Debian-live are not provided via jigdo but just as single bootable images.
Debian-live for i386 is almost unusable given the amount of memory it takes
to boot up a live CD image well and to load all running components into
memory.

As far as possible, the image testing team no longer spend huge amounts
of time on 32 bit Debian live images.

Andy
> Jeff
> 

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