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  Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 20:10 +0200
    Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size eben@gmx.us - 2024-06-02 20:40 +0200
      Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 20:50 +0200
        Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 21:00 +0200
        [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text  Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 22:00 +0200
          Re: [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 22:30 +0200
            Re: [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 23:20 +0200
    Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 21:10 +0200
      [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text  Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 22:10 +0200
    Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2024-06-02 21:10 +0200
      Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-02 21:50 +0200
        [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text  Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 22:20 +0200
          SeaMonkey et al - was - Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd (  Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 22:50 +0200
            Re: SeaMonkey et al - was - Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd  ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 23:20 +0200
          Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2024-06-03 18:20 +0200
            Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 20:20 +0200
              Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 20:30 +0200
              Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-06-03 20:40 +0200
            Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-03 21:10 +0200
              Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-06-03 22:00 +0200
                Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-03 22:40 +0200
              Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-06-06 18:10 +0200
            WAS: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ).. NOW~~The  dangers of .mbox mail clients? Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-03 21:10 +0200
              Response to email clients query regarding mbox Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 21:20 +0200
                Re: Response to email clients query regarding mbox Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-03 21:30 +0200
                  Re: Response to email clients query regarding mbox Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Response to email clients query regarding mbox Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-03 22:40 +0200
                      Re: Response to email clients query regarding mbox Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 23:10 +0200
                    Re: Response to email clients query regarding mbox fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2024-06-03 23:10 +0200
                  Re: Response to email clients query regarding mbox Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 22:10 +0200
              Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-03 21:40 +0200
                Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients? Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-04 00:20 +0200
              Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-06-05 04:30 +0200
            Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size eben@gmx.us - 2024-06-03 21:30 +0200
              Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 21:50 +0200
                Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size eben@gmx.us - 2024-06-03 22:40 +0200
                  Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-03 23:40 +0200
                Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-04 00:20 +0200
              Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...  Text Size Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-06-04 00:50 +0200
            Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 04:40 +0200
              Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-06-04 05:00 +0200
      [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text  Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 22:00 +0200
    [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text  Size Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> - 2024-06-02 22:00 +0200

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#269845 — Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the 
text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't 
figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without 
having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.

Any ideas on how?

Here is an example:

Original:
https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh


After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time:
https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq


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CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

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#269846

On 6/2/24 14:03, Chris M wrote:
> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text
> is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure
> out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use
> CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
>
> Any ideas on how?

Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size.
  I don't know why.

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#269847

On 3/6/24 02:31, eben@gmx.us wrote:
> On 6/2/24 14:03, Chris M wrote:
>> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text
>> is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure
>> out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use
>> CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
>>
>> Any ideas on how?
> 
> Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable 
> size.
>   I don't know why.
> 

Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one 
for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have 
sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more 
properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.

In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), 
  I have

Fonts for (Latin)
Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
Serif: Andika
Sans-serif: Andika
Monospace: Andika Size (20)

Font Control
Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked

You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as 
the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)

But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They 
seem to work for me.
Minimum font size: 20

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#269848

On 3/6/24 02:47, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 3/6/24 02:31, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>> On 6/2/24 14:03, Chris M wrote:
>>> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the 
>>> text
>>> is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure
>>> out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to 
>>> use
>>> CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on how?
>>
>> Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable 
>> size.
>>   I don't know why.
>>
> 
> Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one 
> for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have 
> sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more 
> properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.
> 
> In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), 
>   I have
> 
> Fonts for (Latin)
> Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
> Serif: Andika
> Sans-serif: Andika
> Monospace: Andika Size (20)
> 
> Font Control
> Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
> Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked
> 
> You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as 
> the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)
> 
> But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They 
> seem to work for me.
> Minimum font size: 20
> 

Sorry - two sets of things that I missed in my above message.

1, In the Edit -> Settings, it is further
-> General -> Language and Appearance -> Fonts and Colours -> Advanced
(with Default font set to Andika, Default font size set to 20)

2. Also, further to the above setting, is the part

Plain Text Messages
Display emoticons as graphics (I have that checked, but others may not 
so want it)
When displaying quoted plain text messages:
Style: (Regular) Size: (Regular)

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#269853 — [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one 
> for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have 
> sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more 
> properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.
>
> In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account 
> settings),  I have
>
> Fonts for (Latin)
> Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
> Serif: Andika
> Sans-serif: Andika
> Monospace: Andika Size (20)
>
> Font Control
> Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
> Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked
>
> You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, 
> as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)
>
> But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. 
> They seem to work for me.
> Minimum font size: 20
>
>

G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's 
2:54 PM CDT here in the US.

But Anyhoo:

Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you 
find that font at?


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CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

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#269857 — Re: [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

On 3/6/24 03:56, Chris M wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>>
>> Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one 
>> for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have 
>> sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more 
>> properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.
>>
>> In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account 
>> settings),  I have
>>
>> Fonts for (Latin)
>> Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
>> Serif: Andika
>> Sans-serif: Andika
>> Monospace: Andika Size (20)
>>
>> Font Control
>> Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
>> Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked
>>
>> You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, 
>> as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)
>>
>> But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. 
>> They seem to work for me.
>> Minimum font size: 20
>>
>>
> 
> G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's 
> 2:54 PM CDT here in the US.
> 
> But Anyhoo:
> 
> Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you 
> find that font at?
> 

Hello, Chris.

We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time 
here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night.

Andika?  Search for it in Synaptic...
:)

I am not sure whether apt find still works.

Package name is fonts-sil-andika

I use only the basic Andika font.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#269860 — Re: [ SOLVED ] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Hello, Chris.
>
> We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time 
> here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night.
>
>
>
>
>
OH man, 4:30 AM! That's way too early for me!




>     Andika?  Search for it in Synaptic...
>     :)
>
>     I am not sure whether apt find still works.
>
>     Package name is fonts-sil-andika
>
>     I use only the basic Andika font.


    Ah, okay... Thanks!

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    CHRIS@CWM030.COM

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#269849

On 3/6/24 03:01, Darac Marjal wrote:
> 
> On 02/06/2024 19:03, Chris M wrote:
>> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the 
>> text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't 
>> figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without 
>> having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
>>
>> Any ideas on how?
> 
> It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird 
> allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if 
> you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you 
> can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font 
> for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other 
> Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - 
> if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not 
> be using the font you think you've set.
> 
> 
>>
>> Here is an example:
>>
>> Original:
>> https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh
>>
>>
>> After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time:
>> https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq
>>

For

Language
Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and notifications 
from Thunderbird.

I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that 
tries to impose characters that are not what I want.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#269855 — [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

Bret Busby wrote:
>
> For
>
> Language
> Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and 
> notifications from Thunderbird.
>
> I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that 
> tries to impose characters that are not what I want.
>
> ....
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .................

So, I am guessing that any ENGLISH speaking country uses UTF-8?

US, GB ( Canada, Australia, Probably South Africa, uses GB for spell 
checking)

If not, then what happens to my email? Is it shown in a different font, 
than what you have specified on your end?

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CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

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#269850

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On 02/06/2024 19:03, Chris M wrote:
> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the 
> text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't 
> figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without 
> having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
>
> Any ideas on how?

It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird 
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if 
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you 
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font 
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other 
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - 
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not 
be using the font you think you've set.


>
> Here is an example:
>
> Original:
> https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh
>
>
> After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time:
> https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq
>
>
> ============================================================
> THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
> CHRIS
>
> CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>
> * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>
> ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
>

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#269851

Darac Marjal composed on 2024-06-02T20:01 (UTC+0100):

> Chris M wrote:

>> I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the 
>> text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't 
>> figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without 
>> having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.

>> Any ideas on how?

> It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird 
> allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if 
> you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you 
> can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font 
> for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other 
> Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - 
> if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not 
> be using the font you think you've set.

Font size prefs are in file prefs.js in the profile's root directory. I'll bet
Darac's list is much shorter than mine:
> grep font.size prefs.js
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-central-euro", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-cyrillic", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-unicode", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-user-def", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-western", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.zh-CN", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.ja", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-central-euro", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-cyrillic", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-unicode", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-user-def", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-western", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-CN", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-HK", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-TW", 20);
>
Open about:config to see those that remain at 16 or 12 default grossly outnumber
any you have set. The file only contains those that have been changed from default
16 for variable and 12 or 13 for fixed. About:config lists all that are provided
by default.
-- 
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	based on faith, not based on science.

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#269856 — [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

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Felix Miata wrote:
> It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird

> allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
>> you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
>> can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
>> for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
>> Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
>> if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
>> be using the font you think you've set.
> < SNIP >

BACK STORY:

This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list:

Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in 
what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me 
download it"

Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-(

But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is 
SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved 
Netscape Navigator email
client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o

Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-)

I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even 
remember when that happened? 2008? 2009?

So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were 
TINY TINY TINY.

Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to 
"VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE"

and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user 
over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8.

"Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"

Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference!

I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling
to Seamonkey?

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CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

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#269858 — SeaMonkey et al - was - Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

On 3/6/24 04:14, Chris M wrote:
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
> 
>> allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
>>> you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
>>> can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
>>> for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
>>> Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
>>> if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
>>> be using the font you think you've set.
>> < SNIP >
> 
> BACK STORY:
> 
> This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list:
> 
> Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in 
> what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me 
> download it"
> 
> Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-(
> 
> But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is 
> SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved 
> Netscape Navigator email
> client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o
> 
> Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-)
> 
> I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even 
> remember when that happened? 2008? 2009?
> 
> So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were 
> TINY TINY TINY.
> 
> Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to 
> "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE"
> 
> and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user 
> over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8.
> 
> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"
> 
> Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference!
> 
> I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling
> to Seamonkey?
> 

I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, and, 
less likely to crash.

I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have a 
number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I have 
only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I have 
and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, and 
Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use SeaMonkey 
and Fartyfox.

For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing and 
responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing, 
archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email 
application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use 
claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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Bret Busby wrote:
> On 3/6/24 04:14, Chris M wrote:
>> Felix Miata wrote:
>>> It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
>>
>>> allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
>>>> you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
>>>> can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
>>>> for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
>>>> Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
>>>> if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
>>>> be using the font you think you've set.
>>> < SNIP >
>>
>> BACK STORY:
>>
>> This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail 
>> list:
>>
>> Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested 
>> in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, 
>> let me download it"
>>
>> Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-(
>>
>> But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is 
>> SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my 
>> beloved Netscape Navigator email
>> client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o
>>
>> Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-)
>>
>> I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't 
>> even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009?
>>
>> So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person 
>> were TINY TINY TINY.
>>
>> Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to 
>> "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE"
>>
>> and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user 
>> over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8.
>>
>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"
>>
>> Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a 
>> difference!
>>
>> I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix 
>> are the only ones that still cling
>> to Seamonkey?
>>
>
> I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, 
> and, less likely to crash.
>
> I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have 
> a number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I 
> have only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I 
> have and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, 
> and Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use 
> SeaMonkey and Fartyfox.
>
> For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing 
> and responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing, 
> archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email 
> application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use 
> claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much 
> throughput.
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
>

I've got a soft spot for Evolution ( Due to loving the OLD Outlook-- 
Circa 2003) and now SeaMonkey.

Claws-Mail is " eh, okay" but makes forwarding emails with HTML in them 
a PITA.

============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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#269876 — Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email 
reader that's named after a cheap wine.

In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . 
except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've 
tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable 
HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted 
plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, 
and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor 
resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed.

Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park.

--
JHHL
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force 
named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)

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#269881 — Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email 
> reader that's named after a cheap wine.
> 

?


....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#269882 — Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 2:14 PM Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
> > reader that's named after a cheap wine.
>
> ?

Thunderbird wine was extremely inexpensive and 42 proof.
In retrospect I'm a bit surprised that I've never tried it.  Ripple,
yes. Boone’s Farm, yes. Thunderbird? no.

Lee

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#269883 — Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

Bret Busby wrote: 
> On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
> > reader that's named after a cheap wine.
> > 
> 
> ?

USA-centric reference. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavored_fortified_wine

-dsr-

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#269884 — Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an 
> email reader that's named after a cheap wine.
>
> In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . 
> . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) 
> I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to 
> disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly 
> formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into 
> top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste 
> finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even 
> when closed.
>
> Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the 
> park.
>
> -- 
> JHHL
> (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force 
> named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
>
>


Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine?

I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with 
HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.

============================================================

> THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
> CHRIS
>
> CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>
> * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>
> ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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#269894 — Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

Chris M <CHRIS@CWM030.COM> wrote:
> I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails
> with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
> letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.

Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual
problem with it?

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