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  Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" "Susmita/Rajib" <bkpsusmitaa@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 05:30 +0100
    Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" "Susmita/Rajib" <bkpsusmitaa@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 06:10 +0100
      Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" "Susmita/Rajib" <bkpsusmitaa@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 16:50 +0100
        Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-11-13 17:30 +0100
        Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-11-13 18:40 +0100
    Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-11-13 10:10 +0100
    Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-11-13 12:30 +0100
      Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 12:50 +0100
        Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-11-13 13:10 +0100
          Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2023-11-13 13:50 +0100
            Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2023-11-13 15:00 +0100
              Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-11-13 15:20 +0100
                Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-11-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2023-11-13 19:00 +0100
                  Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:50 +0100
                    Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-13 23:00 +0100
                    Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 01:30 +0100
                Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-11-14 04:10 +0100
                Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as   mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Charles Kroeger <mbone@gmx.co.uk> - 2023-11-17 10:50 +0100
                  Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2023-11-18 18:50 +0100
              Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-13 16:30 +0100
            Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 00:40 +0100
          Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-11-13 14:10 +0100
            Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as  mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-13 15:20 +0100

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#263453 — Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

May please the concerned portions of
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00443.html be perused,
as a part of my conversation with Mr. Cater, also quoted below:

"... There is one problem with this approach, as stated earlier. For the
Mailing list, any change of subject from my Gmail webmail email-server
makes such an email detached from the main thread and treats it as a
different subject. Had Mailman also had(sic) an email editor for
posting messages, that would have been a better option.

"However, I understand the difficulties and the legalities associated
with this added functionality and acknowledge the associated problems ..."

and

"... Between the two options therefore, I usually choose to keep all the
posts consolidated within a single thread for the future users. I hope
that with your greater experience, expertise and wisdom, you would be
able to guide me in this regard, w.r.t. gmail and Mailman."

I assume that MHonArc is only about conversion of our emails into
cross-linked email format and plays no other role on this issue.
Please correct me if I am incorrect.

As said, please advise and guide me on this issue.

Best wishes,
Rajib
Etc.


______________________________
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Euclid Must Fall:
The “Pythagorean” “Theorem” and the rant of racist and civilizational
superiority
Prof C K Raju
https://doi.org/10.4314/ajct.v1i2.5
https://dx.doi.org/10.4314/ajct.v1i1.6

*A few innovations*
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http://viXra.org/abs/2301.0140, abs/2301.0147, /abs/2302.0023, ⋯,

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#263456

Apologies for the inadvertent typo. Corrigendum:

May the phrase:

"... MHonArc is only about conversion of our emails into
cross-linked email format  ..."

Be read as

"... MHonArc is only about conversion of our emails into
cross-linked HTML format ..."

-- 
______________________________
*Inspiration*
Euclid Must Fall:
The “Pythagorean” “Theorem” and the rant of racist and civilizational
superiority
Prof C K Raju
https://doi.org/10.4314/ajct.v1i2.5
https://dx.doi.org/10.4314/ajct.v1i1.6

*A few innovations*
IN191986B
http://viXra.org/abs/2301.0140, abs/2301.0147, /abs/2302.0023, ⋯,

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#263492

I have been listening to the conversations on my thread begun with my
post https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00505.html

In my first email itself I had mentioned that I use "Gmail webmail
email-server".

Yet in one of the replies I received, I get a comment like, "...
It sounds like whatever you are using to read email (your MUA) is
not very good. What software are you using for that purpose? You
mention Gmail, but as far as I know (I am not a Gmail user myself),
Gmail's web interface does do threading properly ..."

In these cases I am really concerned by the short attention and memory
span of some users. I wonder how far they will proceed in their
professions. I would have read a post thoroughly, ensured that I have
understood it, then replied. Otherwise, I wouldn't have replied at all
until I considered myself competent to reply.

I am not that tormented by a lack of social interactions that I would
jump on to a conversation without due diligence just to relieve myself
of my social isolation.

There is more garbage that follows from the individual, but I shall
choose to ignore, and not unnecessarily waste my time on such
individuals, but prefer to engage with Mr. David, Mr. George, Mr.
Verdier and other such constructive co-users.

To Mr. Rogers, I would say that Gmail and Google were successful
because they offered plenty of space for all files, including emails,
to be kept organised in one place. That serves me fine.

Earlier, I used to use webmail clients that were set up to handle
IMAP, beginning with thunderbird. For a time, I used claws mail. Then
as time progressed I found it better and lighter to use the Gmail
webmail interface accessed from firefox-esr. I seldom had the
necessity for complex threading options, so I didn't need an email
client / email reader / Message (or mail) User Agent.

There is one problem with Gmail, Mr. Verdier. If I reply to my own
email, ensuring that I have kept a portion of the header intact, to
reply to say debian-user@lists..., and changed/added/altered the
subject line to [solved] or [was ...], and send it, Gmail invariably
treats that email as a different subject and shows it as a separate
conversation (or thread, as I say). Yes, I agree with Mr. David to
better use 'Thread' as 'Conversation' instead.

In the end, what to me appears to be lacking from Debian side is a
user(or client) side email interface for us to send emails directly
to, and configure our settings to optionally receive from, the Debian
Mailing Lists, bypassing the middleman interface like Gmail webmail.
There is a native Debian interface for Bug Reporting. But nothing
more. I might be mistaken in my perception. Please correct me if I am.

But a disclaimer: Team Debian, please don't get me wrong: you have
already done enough for us, or to phrase myself better, we have done
enough for ourselves already, continuing to have our freedom from the
constant bombardment of commercial advertisements that we as Android
users occasionally suffer from.

Ok, then it appears that I would have to live with this difficulty
presently until gmail improves its webmail application to something
like SmartList. If adequate buzz is made on social media, maybe Google
could buy SmartList or strike some sort of a business deal with it.

Thank you for presenting a wider perspective for me, my fellow
co-users of Debian.

Best wishes.

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#263495

Hi Rajib,

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 08:58:42PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> In my first email itself I had mentioned that I use "Gmail webmail
> email-server".
> 
> Yet in one of the replies I received, I get a comment like, "...
> It sounds like whatever you are using to read email (your MUA) is
> not very good. What software are you using for that purpose? You
> mention Gmail, but as far as I know (I am not a Gmail user myself),
> Gmail's web interface does do threading properly ..."
> 
> In these cases I am really concerned by the short attention and memory
> span of some users.

I do not read most of your threads because you begin them by asking
only for responses from "senior list members" and such like. In the
few occasions I have asked you if you ONLY want responses from
those who consider themselves such, you have never replied. So, I
have concluded that most of your messages have not been for me to
read or respond to.

This time around you did not start your email that way, so I read on
and attempted to help you.

In the posts of yours that I have seen, such as the one where you
got an error message from a web server and so decided to install a
bunch of unnecessary PHP and MySQL packages, there are many errors
of terminology and concepts.

I had asked again if you were using the gmail web interface in order
to double check you were really using the webmail as your MUA so we
could establish for sure if the problem was with the gmail web
interface or with some other piece of software. What I've seen of
this and others of your problems require a lot of questions to
establish the basic facts, if anyone is to help you.

> There is more garbage that follows from the individual, but I shall
> choose to ignore, and not unnecessarily waste my time on such
> individuals, but prefer to engage with Mr. David, Mr. George, Mr.
> Verdier and other such constructive co-users.

I have always felt that my responses to you have been constructive,
even when it seemed like you were not doing yourself any favours in
the way you were trying to get help.

I am sad to see that my efforts have been unwelcome and that you
have such a low opinion of me.

I will not bother you again.

At least something useful (to me) did come out of it: I learned that
likely 30%+ of the readers of this list use gmail, and if you edit
an email subject then gmail detaches that email from the
"conversation". I can see why that would be confusing for you, and a
huge percentage of other readers of this list who use such a limited
service.

Regards,
Andy

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#263497

"Susmita/Rajib" <bkpsusmitaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been listening to the conversations on my thread begun with my
> post https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00505.html
> 
> In my first email itself I had mentioned that I use "Gmail webmail
> email-server".

So have I, mostly for my amusement.
 
> Yet in one of the replies I received, I get a comment like, "...
> It sounds like whatever you are using to read email (your MUA) is
> not very good. What software are you using for that purpose? You
> mention Gmail, but as far as I know (I am not a Gmail user myself),
> Gmail's web interface does do threading properly ..."
> 
> In these cases I am really concerned by the short attention and memory
> span of some users. I wonder how far they will proceed in their
> professions. I would have read a post thoroughly, ensured that I have
> understood it, then replied. Otherwise, I wouldn't have replied at all
> until I considered myself competent to reply.

Welcome to the real world. You may choose how to behave and others may
choose differently. How they choose to behave here may well be
different to how they behave in other places, for example, so it's
dangerous to extrapolate without further evidence. But people here do
generally try to help those, like you, who come to seek help. The onus
is on those who seek help to be tolerant of those who offer it, and not
to always expect perfection from everybody.

> I am not that tormented by a lack of social interactions that I would
> jump on to a conversation without due diligence just to relieve myself
> of my social isolation.
> 
> There is more garbage that follows from the individual, but I shall
> choose to ignore, and not unnecessarily waste my time on such
> individuals, but prefer to engage with Mr. David, Mr. George, Mr.
> Verdier and other such constructive co-users.

Frankly this is insulting and I suggest you apologize for it.

> To Mr. Rogers, I would say that Gmail and Google were successful
> because they offered plenty of space for all files, including emails,
> to be kept organised in one place. That serves me fine.
> 
> Earlier, I used to use webmail clients that were set up to handle
> IMAP, beginning with thunderbird. For a time, I used claws mail. Then
> as time progressed I found it better and lighter to use the Gmail
> webmail interface accessed from firefox-esr. I seldom had the
> necessity for complex threading options, so I didn't need an email
> client / email reader / Message (or mail) User Agent.

To each their own. You have chosen one path and I happen to have chosen
a different one. I have plenty of space on my own disks for my own
email and everything else, and I prefer to keep it all myself. I use
claws and am happy with it. I use POP3 and am happy with it. I don't
have a google account, nor any social media account, and I don't have
any android phone/device because I don't have a google account. (I
tried using f-droid but found it too limiting). I'm happy with my own
arrangements, just as you are happy with yours.

> There is one problem with Gmail, Mr. Verdier. If I reply to my own
> email, ensuring that I have kept a portion of the header intact, to
> reply to say debian-user@lists..., and changed/added/altered the
> subject line to [solved] or [was ...], and send it, Gmail invariably
> treats that email as a different subject and shows it as a separate
> conversation (or thread, as I say). Yes, I agree with Mr. David to
> better use 'Thread' as 'Conversation' instead.
> 
> In the end, what to me appears to be lacking from Debian side is a
> user(or client) side email interface for us to send emails directly
> to, and configure our settings to optionally receive from, the Debian
> Mailing Lists, bypassing the middleman interface like Gmail webmail.
> There is a native Debian interface for Bug Reporting. But nothing
> more. I might be mistaken in my perception. Please correct me if I am.

Well you can always reply through the Debian web interface. e.g.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00551.html

Or you can use claws as I do. And I'm sure there are many other ways.
But none of the ways involve Debian having to do anything different.

> But a disclaimer: Team Debian, please don't get me wrong: you have
> already done enough for us, or to phrase myself better, we have done
> enough for ourselves already, continuing to have our freedom from the
> constant bombardment of commercial advertisements that we as Android
> users occasionally suffer from.

Speak for yourself. I don't use android.

> Ok, then it appears that I would have to live with this difficulty
> presently until gmail improves its webmail application to something
> like SmartList. If adequate buzz is made on social media, maybe Google
> could buy SmartList or strike some sort of a business deal with it.

Speak for yourself. I don't use social media. Also I have no idea what
SmartList is (please don't enlighten me).

> Thank you for presenting a wider perspective for me, my fellow
> co-users of Debian.
> 
> Best wishes.

And to you. 

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#263461

On 2023-11-13, Susmita/Rajib wrote:

> "... There is one problem with this approach, as stated earlier. For the
> Mailing list, any change of subject from my Gmail webmail email-server
> makes such an email detached from the main thread and treats it as a
> different subject.

I am not sure to understand your problem. But standard mail clients do
threading not on subject but on the header In-Reply-To. It permits to add
"solved", "was", or other tags to the subject. It also permits to attach
a reply to some lower place in the thread, which makes easier reading.

> "... Between the two options therefore, I usually choose to keep all the
> posts consolidated within a single thread for the future users. I hope
> that with your greater experience, expertise and wisdom, you would be
> able to guide me in this regard, w.r.t. gmail and Mailman."

Yes : drop gmail.

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#263466

Hello,

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 09:36:33AM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> May please the concerned portions of
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00443.html be perused,
> as a part of my conversation with Mr. Cater, also quoted below:
> 
> "... There is one problem with this approach, as stated earlier. For the
> Mailing list, any change of subject from my Gmail webmail email-server
> makes such an email detached from the main thread and treats it as a
> different subject.

How email threads are visualised is a matter for your mail reading
software, commonly referred to as your Mail User Agent (MUA). This
software reads various headers in the email to determine where in a
thread that particular message belongs. These headers include
"In-Reply-To:" and "References:". That permits the MUA to see the
relationship between messages even when the subject line changes,

It is only the most inept of MUAs that fail to use these headers
and rely only on the Subject: header being the same.

It sounds like whatever you are using to read email (your MUA) is
not very good. What software are you using for that purpose? You
mention Gmail, but as far as I know (I am not a Gmail user myself),
Gmail's web interface does do threading properly, so if you were
using that I don't think you would have such problems.

Are you using Gmail's web interface or some other MUA that talks to
Gmail perhaps by IMAP protocol?

> Mailman also had(sic) an email editor for
> posting messages, that would have been a better option.

Your issue has nothing to do with Mailman. The Debian lists don't
use Mailman. The Debian lists use MHonArc to generate a web archive
of messages (as you linked above) for the convenience of browsing
outside of an MUA, search engines, etc. Your issue is not with
MHonArc but with whatever software you use to read email.

Thanks,
Andy

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#263468

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:29, Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote:

> but as far as I know (I am not a Gmail user myself),
> Gmail's web interface does do threading properly

Hi,

The Gmail web interface does not display emails as threads, by design [1].

    """A conversation breaks off into a new conversation if the subject line
    changes or the conversation gets to more than 100 emails."""

It groups messages together ("a conversation") if their subject lines are
similar, without any visual representation of the relationships expressed
by the "In-reply-to" headers.

> It is only the most inept of MUAs that fail to use these headers
> and rely only on the Subject: header being the same.

Agreed. But that's what the Gmail web interface has always done
since its introduction. It is what it is.

I hope this helps, but I have nothing further to add to this thread.

[1] https://support.google.com/mail/answer/5900

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#263469

Hello,

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:48:31AM +0000, David wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:29, Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote:
> > It is only the most inept of MUAs that fail to use these headers
> > and rely only on the Subject: header being the same.
> 
> Agreed. But that's what the Gmail web interface has always done
> since its introduction. It is what it is.

Wow. I'm genuinely shocked it is so bad and that people put up with
that. But on the other hand, comparatively few people use email a
lot.

So I guess Rajib's answer is, "put up with it or use a decent MUA
that talks to Gmail through IMAP or whatever."

Apologies for the misinformation, and thanks for the correction.

Thanks,
Andy

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#263472

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 +0000
Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote:

Hello Andy,

{gmail web interface}
> that people put up with that.

If they've always used google (and let's face it, there are plenty of
people that fall in to that category), then they have no experience
of anything else and quite possibly know no better.

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#263477

On 13/11/2023 09:31, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 +0000
> Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello Andy,
> 
> {gmail web interface}
>> that people put up with that.
> 
> If they've always used google (and let's face it, there are plenty of
> people that fall in to that category), then they have no experience
> of anything else and quite possibly know no better.

It's not only google, I'd say it's the norm, except for "advanced" users 
that use good MUA.

And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with 
proper threading.

-- 
"Humor is a drug which it's the fashion to abuse."
		-- William Gilbert

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#263481

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On 2023-11-13 at 08:57, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> On 13/11/2023 09:31, Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 +0000 Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> {gmail web interface}
>>> that people put up with that.
>> 
>> If they've always used google (and let's face it, there are plenty
>> of people that fall in to that category), then they have no
>> experience of anything else and quite possibly know no better.
> 
> It's not only google, I'd say it's the norm, except for "advanced"
> users that use good MUA.
> 
> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with
> proper threading.

If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#263491

On 2023-11-13, The Wanderer wrote:

>> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with
>> proper threading.
>
> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.

>From f-droid you can get termux and install mutt (or others)

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#263499 — Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> writes:

>> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with
>> proper threading.
>
> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.

Possibly FairEmail would fit the bill. They advertize "conversation
threading" but I don't really if it's proper or not. The author is
responsive though.

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On 14/11/23 02:30, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 14:50, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> writes:
>>
>>>> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with
>>>> proper threading.
>>>
>>> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a 
>>> thing is
>>> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.
>>
>> Possibly FairEmail would fit the bill. They advertize "conversation
>> threading" but I don't really if it's proper or not. The author is
>> responsive though.
>
> Unfortunately doesn't look like so, this "coversation" threading is 
> what gmail does, a linear sequence of messages.


I use Bluemail on android. It claims to do threading though I don't use 
it. Bluemail seems competent.

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jeremy ardley (12023-11-14):
> I use Bluemail on android. It claims to do threading though I don't use it.
> Bluemail seems competent.

A quick search for screenshots on the web leads to the conclusion that
no, Bluemail does not do threading, just linear conversation.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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I've been using K9 for a while.

It does threading by dropping the thread into a new 'tree' similar to tbird's indenting of an open thread in its main tree, but in a side window where I scroll the thread and press back arrow when I want to close the thread. 

FairEmail does threading the same way. 
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All the best

Keith Bainbridge

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From my Aphone 

On 14 November 2023 8:42:57 am AEDT, jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>On 14/11/23 02:30, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>> On 13/11/2023 14:50, Anssi Saari wrote:
>>> The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> writes:
>>> 
>>>>> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with
>>>>> proper threading.
>>>> 
>>>> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
>>>> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.
>>> 
>>> Possibly FairEmail would fit the bill. They advertize "conversation
>>> threading" but I don't really if it's proper or not. The author is
>>> responsive though.
>> 
>> Unfortunately doesn't look like so, this "coversation" threading is what gmail does, a linear sequence of messages.
>
>
>I use Bluemail on android. It claims to do threading though I don't use it. Bluemail seems competent.

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> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.

The closest I found so far is Fedilab, but:

- While it does provide some threading, it's incomplete.
- It's for the Fediverse rather than for email.


        Stefan

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> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.

https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail

I use this. It is what you want.

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CK

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Charles Kroeger <mbone@gmx.co.uk> writes:

>> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
>> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.
>
> https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail
>
> I use this. It is what you want.

I proposed it already but apparently it doesn't do "proper threading".
Just a flat list of messages. In landscape there's an extra column
displayed but it seems you need a tablet to make any sense of that.

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