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  claws-mail mike.junk.46@att.net - 2023-11-13 06:00 +0100
    Re: claws-mail Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-13 07:30 +0100
    Re: claws-mail Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 11:30 +0100
      Re: claws-mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-13 12:40 +0100
      Re: claws-mail Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 13:20 +0100
        Re: claws-mail Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-13 13:20 +0100
        Re: claws-mail Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-13 16:30 +0100
    Re: claws-mail Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> - 2023-11-13 17:00 +0100
      Re: claws-mail Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2023-11-14 18:20 +0100

#263455 — claws-mail

I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b.
mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a
Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux
    This install didn't include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail won't work without an MTA.
    I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right to  the point that claws-mail will collect mail from any of those accounts via POP mail.
    I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to get claws-mail working, so far the only suggestions I've gotten from the Raspberry Pi forum is to switch to thunderbird.
    I don't understand how either will handle local email like comes from cron or other system programs and I depend on several scripts to do daily checks on the system which cron emails me about on my buster system which has exim4, fetchmail and mutt installed. Obviously I can install those here too but suspect if I get this system set up correctly it should perform similarly.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike

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#263459

Am 13.11.2023 um 04:39:02 Uhr schrieb mike.junk.46@att.net:

> Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2
> (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux This install didn't include exim4,
> postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail won't work
> without an MTA. I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email
> accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right
> to  the point that claws-mail will collect mail from any of those
> accounts via POP mail.

Claws mail directly supports IMAP, POP3, SMTP and NNTP without an MTA
or fetchmail installed.

You also don't need sendmail nor the sendmail command to send mail via
SMTP with Claws Mail.

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#263464

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:42 AM <mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b.
> mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a
> Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux
>     This install didn't include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail won't work without an MTA.
>     I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right to  the point that claws-mail will collect mail from any of those accounts via POP mail.
>     I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to get claws-mail working, so far the only suggestions I've gotten from the Raspberry Pi forum is to switch to thunderbird.
>     I don't understand how either will handle local email like comes from cron or other system programs and I depend on several scripts to do daily checks on the system which cron emails me about on my buster system which has exim4, fetchmail and mutt installed. Obviously I can install those here too but suspect if I get this system set up correctly it should perform similarly.
>
> Any advice appreciated.

I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws.

Also see the CM wiki, and articles like
<https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Using_Claws_Mail_with_Gmail>.

Jeff

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#263467

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500
Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:42 AM <mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b.  
> > mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a  
> > Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian
> > 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux This install didn't
> > include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail
> > won't work without an MTA. I've set up several accounts in
> > claws-mail for email accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far
> > haven't got them right to  the point that claws-mail will collect
> > mail from any of those accounts via POP mail. I'd appreciate any
> > suggestions on how to get claws-mail working, so far the only
> > suggestions I've gotten from the Raspberry Pi forum is to switch to
> > thunderbird. I don't understand how either will handle local email
> > like comes from cron or other system programs and I depend on
> > several scripts to do daily checks on the system which cron emails
> > me about on my buster system which has exim4, fetchmail and mutt
> > installed. Obviously I can install those here too but suspect if I
> > get this system set up correctly it should perform similarly.
> >
> > Any advice appreciated.  
> 
> I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws.
> 
> Also see the CM wiki, and articles like
> <https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Using_Claws_Mail_with_Gmail>.
> 

I use Claws, but from a local network IMAP server, using a network MTA.
I wouldn't have thought POP should behave very differently. Claws with
external accounts shouldn't need a local MTA, the SMTP server you have
configured for the account is the MTA, which Claws will talk to
directly.

I think you must have a local MTA for some system emails to work, but
there are very much simpler ones than exim4 to do that job. Someone
else can probably help here, as I have exim4 on all my Linux machines.

Thunderbird is a respectable email client but I find it very slow on
normal PCs, and it will be glacial on a Pi, even a 4. Whatever the
issue is which is stopping Claws may also affect TB. You got the TB
advice because it's what most people are familiar with, not because
it's any better for email than Claws. Having said that, TB has
connection parameters built in for the big, well-known email providers
such as Gmail and MS.

Something that is sometimes difficult in these encrypted days is
getting the right combination of ports and password protocols. The old
unencrypted connection to port 110 for POP3 probably doesn't work
anywhere now.

-- 
Joe

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#263470

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 6:59 AM Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500
> Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Jeffrey,
>
> >I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws.
>
> It makes no difference.

To whom? The OP's problem, or hypothetically?

> Many people prefer IMAP, certainly.  Equally, there are those that
> prefer POP3 - myself among them.  Of course, with google, it's largely
> academic;  They keep them all, anyway.

It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think
you will find there is a difference in the level of support for POP3
and IMAP. There are usually several messages a month about the
differences.

Jeff

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#263471

Am 13.11.2023 um 07:09:55 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton:

> It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think
> you will find there is a difference in the level of support for POP3
> and IMAP. There are usually several messages a month about the
> differences.

Can you please tell us more about that?

IIRC both protocols are supported and thus they are different protocols
with different specification, they behave different.

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#263489

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Jeff,
Karen  picking up the spool of this thread for a moment.
Can you share more on this claws email mailing list?
I suspect, but may be wrong, that the posters point is that  comparative 
factors impact preference.  support indeed, organizational preference, if 
one  is comfortable with imap etc.
Kare
returning the thread spool to you.



On Mon, 13 Nov 2023, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 6:59 AM Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500
>> Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jeffrey,
>>
>>> I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws.
>>
>> It makes no difference.
>
> To whom? The OP's problem, or hypothetically?
>
>> Many people prefer IMAP, certainly.  Equally, there are those that
>> prefer POP3 - myself among them.  Of course, with google, it's largely
>> academic;  They keep them all, anyway.
>
> It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think
> you will find there is a difference in the level of support for POP3
> and IMAP. There are usually several messages a month about the
> differences.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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#263493

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:39:02 +0000 (UTC),
mike.junk.46@att.net<mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote:

>I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b.
>mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a  
>Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux
>    This install didn't include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail won't work without an MTA.
>    I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right to  the point that claws-mail will collect mail from any of those accounts via POP mail.
>    I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to get claws-mail working, so far the only suggestions I've gotten from the Raspberry Pi forum is to switch to thunderbird.
>    I don't understand how either will handle local email like comes from cron or other system programs and I depend on several scripts to do daily checks on the system which cron emails me about on my buster system which has exim4, fetchmail and mutt installed. Obviously I can install those here too but suspect if I get this system set up correctly it should perform similarly.
>
>Any advice appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>

I believe gmail _requires_ OAUTH2 authorisation for "non-secure apps"
nowadays - which is pretty much all apps except gmails own.

See https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Oauth2 for how to set it
up (It's a bit complicated) - I have stopped using gmail with
claws-mail, and don't use gmail very much. (They do a very bad job at
following mail standards, which your problem is a good example of).

My suggestion is to use another mail provider if possible.

best
-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailinglists@gusnan.se
andreas@ronnquist.net

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#263533

On 2023-11-13, Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> wrote:
>
> I believe gmail _requires_ OAUTH2 authorisation for "non-secure apps"
> nowadays - which is pretty much all apps except gmails own.

AFAIK, gmail still supports application-specific passwords.

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