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  How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2023-11-05 10:30 +0100
    Re: How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm Andreas Haumer <andreas@xss.co.at> - 2023-11-05 11:10 +0100
      Re: How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-11-05 13:40 +0100
        Documentation for KVM/QEMU? [Re: How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12  bookworm] "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2023-11-06 02:50 +0100
          Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU? [Re: How to get VMware Player going  on Debian 12 bookworm] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-06 08:00 +0100
            Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU? Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-11-06 08:50 +0100
              Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU? Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2023-11-06 11:20 +0100
                Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2023-11-06 11:50 +0100
                  Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 12:50 +0100
    Re: How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-05 11:40 +0100

#263146 — How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm

The title says it all, I hope.  I've tried installing vmware player on my Bookworm according to the instructions from 
    https://techviewleo.com/install-vmware-on-debian/

But I can't seem to get vmware player to start up.  What am I doing wrong?  Is there a better location to look for instruction?

Thanks,
Rick

PS: My motivation is that I have a young friend (he is mid 20s; I myself am mid 70s) who wants to learn Linux, and in particular, how to set up and use virtual machines.  I have a Dell machine that I'm not using that would be ideal for his learning experiences and I would like to make it available to him.  I'm a Debian user for over 20 years, so I'd like to base his study on Debian because that's what I know best and would be best able to mentor.

PPS: If VMware isn't a good choice, would there be a better VM supervisor I could use?  If so, can you point me to a set of instructions for it?

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Hi!

Am 05.11.23 um 10:04 schrieb Rick Thomas:
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> 
> PPS: If VMware isn't a good choice, would there be a better VM supervisor I could use?  If so, can you point me to a set of instructions for it?
> 

To answer just these questions only: take a look at kvm/qemu and
the virt-manager GUI.

See https://wiki.debian.org/KVM

"better" very much is a function of personal preferences
on an arbitrary scale, though... ;-)

HTH

- andreas

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#263151

On 5 Nov 2023 10:56 +0100, from andreas@xss.co.at (Andreas Haumer):
>> PPS: If VMware isn't a good choice, would there be a better VM
>> supervisor I could use?  If so, can you point me to a set of
>> instructions for it?
> 
> To answer just these questions only: take a look at kvm/qemu and
> the virt-manager GUI.

Yes, definitely look at KVM/QEMU. "Better" is subjective but certainly
one huge advantage of KVM over almost anything else is that it's
already there in the kernel, and you pretty much just need to install
the tools to manage it. VirtualBox, VMWare and others require adding
third-party software, which can easily break with a kernel upgrade.

-- 
Michael Kjörling                     🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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#263168 — Documentation for KVM/QEMU? [Re: How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm]

Can anyone recommend good documentation on KVM/QEMU that would allow me to get up to speed on it quickly?

Thanks!
Rick


On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, at 4:33 AM, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 5 Nov 2023 10:56 +0100, from andreas@xss.co.at (Andreas Haumer):
>>> PPS: If VMware isn't a good choice, would there be a better VM
>>> supervisor I could use?  If so, can you point me to a set of
>>> instructions for it?
>> 
>> To answer just these questions only: take a look at kvm/qemu and
>> the virt-manager GUI.
>
> Yes, definitely look at KVM/QEMU. "Better" is subjective but certainly
> one huge advantage of KVM over almost anything else is that it's
> already there in the kernel, and you pretty much just need to install
> the tools to manage it. VirtualBox, VMWare and others require adding
> third-party software, which can easily break with a kernel upgrade.
>
> -- 
> Michael Kjörling                     🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
> “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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#263172 — Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU? [Re: How to get VMware Player going on Debian 12 bookworm]

On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 1:36 AM Rick Thomas <rick.thomas@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend good documentation on KVM/QEMU that would allow me to get up to speed on it quickly?

I don't know if or where good documentation exists. Sorry about that.

QEMU/KVM is mostly like Virtual Box. If you know Virtual Box, then you
have most of what you need for QEMU/KVM.

You can create a desktop shortcut for QEMU/KVM by issuing:

    cd ~/Desktop
    cp -p /usr/share/applications/virt-manager.desktop
    chmod +x virt-manager.desktop

Then you can easily launch the UI.

The other trick with QEMU/KVM is, the screen button shows the guest as
expected. And the button with the letter "i" shows the guest
configuration. See the red boxes highlighting the buttons at
<https://ibb.co/1ZzDwht> and <https://ibb.co/8rqtZw3>.

The one problem I have encountered is related to networking. I want a
bridged connection so the VM guest gets an IP address from my DHCP
server. But the network adapter seems to be stuck in NAT mode, even
after switching to bridged mode. So the VM guest always gets a
192.168.0.0/16 address, and never gets an IP address from my DHCP
server. That means I cannot SSH to the guest because I use
172.16.0.0/12 behind my firewall to avoid address and routing problems
from my ISP's router.

Jeff

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#263176 — Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU?

On 6 Nov 2023 01:58 -0500, from noloader@gmail.com (Jeffrey Walton):
> QEMU/KVM is mostly like Virtual Box. If you know Virtual Box, then you
> have most of what you need for QEMU/KVM.

I agree. Although _some_ terminology differs, and naturally things are
organized somewhat differently in the UI, the concepts are very
similar, since they solve very similar problems. So you may need to
look around a little within the UI to find the particular setting
you're looking for, but that should be about it.

The three biggest differences I have run across (I used VirtualBox
before):

1. Storage pools for disk images. With VirtualBox, you can put a disk
image file anywhere. With KVM, they go into one of a defined set of
pools, which in turn map to file system directories. Depending on what
kind of setup you prefer, this can be anything from actually
beneficial through a non-issue to a nuisance.

2. User versus system QEMU sessions. This isn't a problem, it's just
something you'll need to keep in mind when setting up and using VMs.

3. KVM virtualized NAT networking doesn't play nice with nftables on
the host with a restrictive policy. Took me a while to find a solution
but I eventually came up with this, which has worked reliably for me:
https://michael.kjorling.se/blog/2022/linux-kvm-host-nftables-guest-networking/

And another thing to keep in mind:

4. With SPICE, clipboard sharing is ENABLED by default between the
guest and the host; and by consequence, between guests! This one
really tripped me up. Fortunately it's not too hard to disable once
you learn how; I put a recipe at
https://michael.kjorling.se/blog/2023/disable-clipboard-sharing-clipboard-integration-with-qemu-kvm-and-spice/
but the short version of that one is that on the node
domain/devices/graphics/clipboard in the VM XML definition to set the
attribute copypaste="no". That will constrain that guest's OS
clipboard functionality to within that guest.

-- 
Michael Kjörling                     🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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#263182 — Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU?

2023-11-06 12:45 GMT+05:00, Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net>:
> The three biggest differences I have run across (I used VirtualBox
> before):
>
> 1. Storage pools for disk images. With VirtualBox, you can put a disk
> image file anywhere. With KVM, they go into one of a defined set of
> pools, which in turn map to file system directories. Depending on what
> kind of setup you prefer, this can be anything from actually
> beneficial through a non-issue to a nuisance.

I run qemu binary with parameters and place disk image in any place
and can use any physical disk as qemu image, if need.
In old scripts it was something like:

qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1024M -hda /path/disk.img -cdrom
/another/path/image.iso -boot cdrom

So, it is not qemu, only your gui wrapper/interface limitation.

> 3. KVM virtualized NAT networking doesn't play nice with nftables on
> the host with a restrictive policy. Took me a while to find a solution
> but I eventually came up with this, which has worked reliably for me:
> https://michael.kjorling.se/blog/2022/linux-kvm-host-nftables-guest-networking/

this is not qemu/kvm thing, only libvirt, which is not part of qemu,
but only wrapper on it. Sometimes useful, good for beginning, bad, if
you need something non-standard.

qemu as virtual machine does not create/use firewall rules at all and
can use user mode net, which work without firewall rules — see man
qemu for -net parameter (use -net nic -net user if you need only
output network requests).

-- 
Stanislav

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#263184 — Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU?

Maybe the op wqould like to test aqemu, which is a graphical frontend for qemu 
and it might be easier for him to configure.

In the comparision of aqemu (with using kvm) and VirtualkBox and Virt-Manager 
my feeling was, Virtualbox the slowest and both Aqemu and VirtManager faster. 
The latter two are were looking both even fast.

However, virt-manger IMHO still is not very user friendly, especially for 
beginners,  and also its documentation is not much at the moment. But please 
be respectfull (or is considerately the correct idiom?): virtmanager is rather 
new and has not many people involved, so it might become better in the future. 

Virt-manager has great potential.

Best regards

Hans

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#263281 — Re: Documentation for KVM/QEMU?

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On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 11:43 AM Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> wrote:

> Maybe the op wqould like to test aqemu, which is a graphical frontend for
> qemu
> and it might be easier for him to configure.
>
> In the comparision of aqemu (with using kvm) and VirtualkBox and
> Virt-Manager
> my feeling was, Virtualbox the slowest and both Aqemu and VirtManager
> faster.
> The latter two are were looking both even fast.
>
> However, virt-manger IMHO still is not very user friendly, especially for
> beginners,  and also its documentation is not much at the moment. But
> please
> be respectfull (or is considerately the correct idiom?): virtmanager is
> rather
> new and has not many people involved, so it might become better in the
> future.
>
> Virt-manager has great potential.
>

Wait what, new? It's from 2006 and doesn't seem to have received many
feature updates since the first time I used it 10 years ago, mostly upkeep
to make it work with newer python/qemu.

"still is not very user friendly", "its documentation is not much at the
moment". I'm not holding my breath!

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#263150

Am 05.11.2023 um 01:04:27 Uhr schrieb Rick Thomas:

> But I can't seem to get vmware player to start up.  What am I doing
> wrong?

Start it in a terminal and look for error messages.

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