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  [Bookworm] collecting sensors data Greg <pld@sojka.co> - 2023-10-27 20:40 +0200
    Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-10-27 22:20 +0200
    Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-28 06:20 +0200
      Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-28 13:30 +0200
        Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-28 14:50 +0200
        Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2023-10-28 20:10 +0200
          Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-29 16:50 +0100
    Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-28 06:40 +0200

#262814 — [Bookworm] collecting sensors data

Hi there,

I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the 
"proper" way of collecting sensors readings?

Thanks in advance for any help

Greg

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#262824

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 20:39:09 +0200
Greg <pld@sojka.co> wrote:

> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the 
> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?

I'm not sure about proper, but sensors works for the purpose.

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#262828

On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote:
> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the 
> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 :
> please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect
> metrics from the local system into RRD files. There are quite a number
> of alternatives in Debian to do the same, better (munin, et al).

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/rrdcollect
is linked from https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/rrdcollect
and has "[2023-01-30] Removed 0.2.10-4 from unstable" entry in the 
"News" section.

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#262837

On 10/28/23 00:14, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote:
>> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the 
>> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 :
>> please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect
>> metrics from the local system into RRD files. There are quite a number
>> of alternatives in Debian to do the same, better (munin, et al).
> 
I just looked at munin in synaptic, But while there lots of parts to it, 
there is not a single word that indicates what it does? Absolutely 
nothing that tells me it can monitor the system fans or measure the 
systems voltages.  What does it actually DO?

Thank you.

> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/rrdcollect
> is linked from https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/rrdcollect
> and has "[2023-01-30] Removed 0.2.10-4 from unstable" entry in the 
> "News" section.
> 
> 
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#262842

On 10/28/23 07:53, Darac Marjal wrote:
> 
> On 28/10/2023 12:25, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 10/28/23 00:14, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>> On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote:
>>>> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the 
>>>> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?
>>>
>>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 :
>>>> please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect
>>>> metrics from the local system into RRD files. There are quite a number
>>>> of alternatives in Debian to do the same, better (munin, et al).
>>>
>> I just looked at munin in synaptic, But while there lots of parts to 
>> it, there is not a single word that indicates what it does? Absolutely 
>> nothing that tells me it can monitor the system fans or measure the 
>> systems voltages.  What does it actually DO?
> 
> Strictly speaking, Munin does two things: it runs a collection of 
> plugins and it stores the results of those plugins in RRDs.
> 
> Munin works in a server/node pattern. Typically one runs Munin (the 
> server part) on a central computer with a web server. Munin will then 
> reach out to "Munin-Node" (running either on the same computer or on 
> other computers around your network). "Munin-Node" runs the plugins 
> (which may do just about anything in any language you like. They can be 
> written in perl or python or C or shell; they can fetch CPU metrics, or 
> disk metrics, or they can query the amount of coffee in the pot or they 
> can tell you how your stocks/shares are doing - basically anything that 
> can be represented as a number). The Munin-Node protocol is a fairly 
> simple text protocol. Munin receives the metrics and stores these in 
> RRDs. Munin also produces a web page containing graphs from the RRDs.
> 
> If a more visual demonstration would help, take a look at 
> http://demo.munin-monitoring.org/munin-monitoring.org/demo.munin-monitoring.org/ to see the kinds of things you can do.
> 
Thats impressive, and informatve, but not my cup of tea. I don't need to 
graph things in real time A postage stamp sized list of voltage srcs and 
what they measure, updated at 1 to 5 second intervals, ditto for fan 
speeds if a tach line is available. would suit me just fine.

Thank you.

> If should, perhaps, be noted that using RRDs to store metrics - while 
> still quite serviceable and a good fit for a small system - is 
> considered a bit old hat these days. The problem with RRDs is that the 
> graphs produced tend to be static (if you want to zoom in, or only show 
> one of the lines on the graph etc, you have to re-render the image). The 
> modern way is to separate out the collection of metrics, the 
> gathering/collating of metrics and the visualisation of metrics into 
> their own programs (i.e. the UNIX philosophy). If you want do go down 
> that route, you can look into:
> 
>   * Collecting
>       o collectd
>       o telegraf
>       o statsd
>       o node-exporter
>       o etc
>   * Gathering
>       o Prometheus
>       o InfluxDB
>       o Graphite
>       o OpenTSDB
>   * Visualisation
>       o Grafana
>       o Kibana
> 
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/rrdcollect
>>> is linked from https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/rrdcollect
>>> and has "[2023-01-30] Removed 0.2.10-4 from unstable" entry in the 
>>> "News" section.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#262847

On Saturday 28 October 2023 07:25:39 am gene heskett wrote:
> On 10/28/23 00:14, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote:
> >> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the 
> >> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?
> > 
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 :
> >> please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect
> >> metrics from the local system into RRD files. There are quite a number
> >> of alternatives in Debian to do the same, better (munin, et al).
> > 
> I just looked at munin in synaptic, But while there lots of parts to it, 
> there is not a single word that indicates what it does? Absolutely 
> nothing that tells me it can monitor the system fans or measure the 
> systems voltages.  What does it actually DO?

I've seen that fairly often,  particularly with software packages.  It's a real aggravation at times.

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#262867

On 10/29/23 08:01, mick.crane wrote:
> On 2023-10-28 18:31, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
>> On Saturday 28 October 2023 07:25:39 am gene heskett wrote:
>>> On 10/28/23 00:14, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>> > On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote:
>>> >> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the
>>> >> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?
>>> >
>>> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 :
>>> >> please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect
>>> >> metrics from the local system into RRD files. There are quite a 
>>> number
>>> >> of alternatives in Debian to do the same, better (munin, et al).
>>> >
>>> I just looked at munin in synaptic, But while there lots of parts to it,
>>> there is not a single word that indicates what it does? Absolutely
>>> nothing that tells me it can monitor the system fans or measure the
>>> systems voltages.  What does it actually DO?
>>
>> I've seen that fairly often,  particularly with software packages.
>> It's a real aggravation at times.
> 
> I've sometimes thought it would be useful if at the top of man pages 
> there was.
> "Why would I use this" with explanation.
> 
Something along those lines would sure generate the huzzahs here.
> mick
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#262832

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Greg <pld@sojka.co> wrote:
>
> I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the
> "proper" way of collecting sensors readings?

Also take a look at <https://github.com/lm-sensors/lm-sensors>. It is
available in Debian 12.

Jeff

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