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Bookworm: NetworkManager

Started byPocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com>
First post2023-10-21 18:40 +0200
Last post2023-10-22 02:30 +0200
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  Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 18:40 +0200
    Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-21 18:50 +0200
      Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 19:10 +0200
        Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-21 19:30 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 19:40 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-21 20:00 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 20:10 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-22 10:10 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 14:30 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 14:50 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-22 15:20 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-22 18:50 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 19:50 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-10-22 19:40 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 20:00 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2023-10-22 17:10 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-22 18:30 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-10-22 20:40 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-24 18:50 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-24 19:30 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-10-24 19:40 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-25 03:10 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-25 03:50 +0200
                  link-local 169.254.x.y addresses Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-25 18:50 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-10-25 01:40 +0200
          Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Alessandro Baggi <alessandro.baggi@gmail.com> - 2023-11-01 11:50 +0100
            Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-01 12:20 +0100
              Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-01 12:40 +0100
                Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-01 17:10 +0100
                  Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-01 17:20 +0100
            Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 yxcv@vienna.at - 2023-11-01 12:20 +0100
              Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-11-01 12:20 +0100
            Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-11-01 12:20 +0100
              Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-11-01 15:20 +0100
                Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-11-01 15:40 +0100
                  Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Alessandro Baggi <alessandro.baggi@gmail.com> - 2023-11-01 15:50 +0100
                  Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-01 16:10 +0100
                    Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-11-01 18:50 +0100
                      Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-02 16:50 +0100
                        Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-02 18:00 +0100
                        Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-11-02 19:00 +0100
                          Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-03 16:50 +0100
                  Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-11-01 21:00 +0100
            Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-01 12:30 +0100
              Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-01 13:20 +0100
        Making resolv.conf immutable [was: Bookworm: NetworkManager] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-10-22 07:20 +0200
    Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-10-21 20:00 +0200
      Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 20:20 +0200
        Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-21 20:40 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 20:50 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-10-21 21:00 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 21:20 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-21 21:10 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 21:40 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-21 21:50 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-21 23:40 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-10-22 07:30 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 14:40 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-10-21 22:50 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-21 23:00 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 23:20 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 23:20 +0200
                Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-22 13:20 +0200
                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 14:30 +0200
                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-22 17:20 +0200
                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-22 19:00 +0200
                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-22 20:20 +0200
                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-22 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 00:10 +0200
                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-23 00:50 +0200
                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 02:40 +0200
                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-23 02:50 +0200
                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-23 04:40 +0200
                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-23 05:10 +0200
                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-23 09:20 +0200
                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 17:20 +0200
                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 18:00 +0200
                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 04:40 +0200
                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-10-23 22:40 +0200
                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-24 02:00 +0200
                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-10-22 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-22 21:10 +0200
                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-22 23:50 +0200
                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2023-10-23 02:00 +0200
                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-23 07:40 +0200
                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2023-10-23 12:40 +0200
                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-25 03:50 +0200
                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2023-10-25 05:50 +0200
                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was:  Bookworm:NetworkManager "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-25 07:40 +0200
                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-25 11:10 +0200
                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-10-25 13:20 +0200
                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-25 14:20 +0200
                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-25 16:50 +0200
                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-25 13:30 +0200
                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-25 14:20 +0200
                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-25 18:30 +0200
                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-26 03:30 +0200
                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-26 03:50 +0200
                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-26 04:50 +0200
                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-27 05:20 +0200
                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-10-27 06:50 +0200
                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-27 12:10 +0200
                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 13:20 +0200
                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-27 13:30 +0200
                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-27 14:00 +0200
                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 15:10 +0200
                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-27 15:40 +0200
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-10-27 16:10 +0200
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-27 16:20 +0200
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 17:50 +0200
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 16:30 +0200
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:10 +0200
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-29 17:30 +0100
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-29 19:30 +0100
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-30 03:30 +0100
                                                            Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain name  to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-27 16:20 +0200
                                                              Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain nameto  use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:10 +0200
                                                                Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain nameto  use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-29 17:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain  nametouse on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-29 18:10 +0100
                                                                    Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain  nametouse on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-31 04:20 +0100
                                                                      Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain nametouse  on home networks The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-10-31 10:20 +0100
                                                                        Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain  nametouseon home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-31 15:30 +0100
                                                                      Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was:  Domainnametouse on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-31 15:30 +0100
                                                                        Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was:  Domainnametouse on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-31 17:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was:  Domainnametouse on home networks Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-11-01 22:10 +0100
                                                                          Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was:Domainnametouse  on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-02 00:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian;  was:Domainnametouse on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-02 00:40 +0100
                                                                              Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian;was:Domainnametouse  on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-02 01:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian;was:Domainnametouse  on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-02 01:40 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian;was:Domainnametouse  on home networks Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-11-02 02:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian;  was:Domainnametouse on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-11-02 00:40 +0100
                                                                            Re: report a Debian bug (was: Changing host name and dom...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-11-02 01:00 +0100
                                                                              Re: report a Debian bug gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-02 02:40 +0100
                                                                                Re: report a Debian bug David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-11-02 06:50 +0100
                                                                                  Re: report a Debian bug gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-02 09:10 +0100
                                                                                    Re: report a Debian bug David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-11-02 22:20 +0100
                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 17:30 +0200
                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 17:50 +0200
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:40 +0200
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-27 18:50 +0200
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-27 19:10 +0200
                                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-27 19:20 +0200
                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 14:00 +0200
                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 17:20 +0200
                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 17:50 +0200
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:30 +0200
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:50 +0200
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 19:30 +0200
                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-29 15:30 +0100
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-29 16:30 +0100
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-29 17:00 +0100
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-29 17:30 +0100
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-29 18:10 +0100
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-29 19:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-29 19:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-30 03:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 09:00 +0100
                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2023-10-30 10:20 +0100
                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 17:10 +0100
                                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-30 17:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 17:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 18:30 +0100
                                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 18:40 +0100
                                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 17:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 18:10 +0100
                                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 18:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 18:40 +0100
                                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 18:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 18:40 +0100
                                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 17:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-30 18:40 +0100
                                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 19:40 +0100
                                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-10-30 19:40 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-30 19:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 22:10 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 22:40 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-10-31 02:40 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-31 15:10 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-31 04:10 +0100
                                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 19:50 +0100
                                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-31 04:00 +0100
                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 13:20 +0100
                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 13:30 +0100
                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-30 13:30 +0100
                                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-30 13:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 17:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 17:20 +0100
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-30 16:00 +0100
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-30 17:40 +0100
                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 16:40 +0200
                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-27 16:50 +0200
                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:10 +0200
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-27 21:30 +0200
                                                        Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 16:50 +0200
                                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-27 18:20 +0200
                                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-27 18:30 +0200
                                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 19:20 +0200
                                                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-27 20:00 +0200
                                                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-27 20:10 +0200
                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-10-27 21:00 +0200
                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-10-27 21:10 +0200
                                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-28 00:50 +0200
                                                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-28 07:40 +0200
                                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-27 16:40 +0200
                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-26 10:20 +0200
                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-26 10:40 +0200
                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-26 11:20 +0200
                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-26 11:10 +0200
                                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-26 11:20 +0200
                                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-27 17:30 +0200
                                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks "Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-10-26 10:30 +0200
                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-10-25 22:10 +0200
                                  Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-26 01:30 +0200
                                    Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-10-26 02:00 +0200
                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-10-26 02:20 +0200
                                      Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-10-27 05:30 +0200
                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2023-10-23 18:00 +0200
                          Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-23 04:50 +0200
                            Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 18:20 +0200
                              Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-23 20:10 +0200
                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-10-23 20:30 +0200
                                Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-23 23:40 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-10-22 14:50 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 14:50 +0200
                    Re: example.org and other RFC 2606 domains; was: Bookworm:  NetworkManager Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-10-22 15:20 +0200
                    Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-10-22 17:00 +0200
                Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-10-22 18:20 +0200
                  Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 19:50 +0200
        Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-21 20:40 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 20:50 +0200
    Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-21 22:30 +0200
      Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-10-21 22:40 +0200
      Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-22 17:30 +0200
        Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-10-22 17:30 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-22 17:50 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-25 19:00 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 19:40 +0200
        Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-10-22 19:20 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 19:50 +0200
          Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-23 00:40 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-23 01:20 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-23 19:10 +0200
            Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-10-23 22:30 +0200
              Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-27 21:40 +0200
    Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-10-22 02:30 +0200

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#262639 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-10-24 02:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HscZX-ogz-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262631
On 10/23/23 16:35, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:33:47PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 10/22/23 20:48, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> Any issues you've encountered have been the result of misconfiguration.
>>> You have repeatedly shown errors in your config files, and once those
>>> have been corrected, everything has worked as expected.
>>
>> This is generally true, Greg, and I get that, but every new version, which
>> should just continue what works, doesn't cuz somebody moved a config file
> 
> I'm afraid that *you* are the person who has moved or broken your
> config files with relation to name resolution in every case you've
> ever described here. All of it has been user error. You've never yet
> shown an example of any change designed to make hosts files work
> less well (or not at all). That is just a belief you have and
> continue to state as if it's fact, but at no time has it stood up to
> scrutiny.
> 
Then perhaps you can explain to me, why Ican fillout the data tonget 
online with a netinstall installer, download and instal 6 or 8 Gn of 
stuff, and when it is time to reboot the new snstall, it comes back up 
with a default route in the 169 block, locking me out of net access 
until I rm by brute root force any and everything to do with avahi for 
starters? At that point I'm locked out of net access even to the other 
still working machines on my home net. Explain to me how I've just 
pulled close to 8 GB in from the net,  but the totally bogus avahi 169 
address is the default route when its been thru the first reboot.

Go ahead, But I'm listening for factual info, not the above innuendo and 
  false accusations I did something wrong. I'm not doing anything the 
installer didn't ask me to do.  22 times before someone told me to 
unplug my weeping willow tree of usb stuff in order to get an install 
w/o orca and brltty which it installed and activated w/o asking me if I 
wanted it just because it was finding 2 usb-serial adapter's and assumed 
I was blind. Once that stuff is enabled and you rm it to get some peace 
and quiet, it won't reboot as it waits forever to bring them back up. So 
when I needed to reboot the only way to reboot was to reinstall.  And 
I'm been catching hell ever since just because I wanted a working 
system, which even now I don't have.

My /home is a raid10, but anything that wants to write to it, has to 
wait anywhere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes before the file requestor 
asking where to put this incoming file opens. Its /my/ raid, I own it 
all, why and what is getting in the way?  A question I have asked 
several times without even the courtesy of a reply.

A recent kernel update seemed to speed that up some, the wait is now a 
much more consistent 30 seconds but it is still there for the first 
access and now instant after that initial wait.

Am I the only one on the planet using a quad of 1T Samsung 870 SSD's for 
a raid10 /home?

> Those reading this later need to believe Greg's statements and not
> Gene's.

Thanks for the no confidence vote Andy but I'l stand by what I wrote. It 
has all happened to /me/.

> Thanks,
> Andy
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#262560 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

FromDan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date2023-10-22 20:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager
Message-ID<HrLwJ-6xU-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262542
gene heskett wrote: 
> On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:
> 
> > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375
> > 
> Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever
> domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an un-routeable
> address block.


Sure. Right up until the day that someone registers it on the
Net at large.

As of March 2021, the IANA root database includes 1589 TLDs.
"den" is not currently one of them, but that could change at any
point, and then there would be a high likelihood of "coyote.den"
being registered by someone else.

You might not have a specific problem with that, depending on
how you do local DNS, and depending on what you want. But it's
safer to either use a recognized internal domain (home.arpa, for
instance) or a domain that you own, either with split views or 
unpublished internal subdomains (internal.randomstring.org, for
example).

-dsr-

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#262563 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

FromJeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
Date2023-10-22 21:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager
Message-ID<HrLZL-6XX-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262560
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 2:33 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
>
> gene heskett wrote:
> > On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375
> > >
> > Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever
> > domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an un-routeable
> > address block.
>
>
> Sure. Right up until the day that someone registers it on the
> Net at large.
>
> As of March 2021, the IANA root database includes 1589 TLDs.
> "den" is not currently one of them, but that could change at any
> point, and then there would be a high likelihood of "coyote.den"
> being registered by someone else.
>
> You might not have a specific problem with that, depending on
> how you do local DNS, and depending on what you want. But it's
> safer to either use a recognized internal domain (home.arpa, for
> instance) or a domain that you own, either with split views or
> unpublished internal subdomains (internal.randomstring.org, for
> example).

+1.

I've been using home.pvt and home.dmz since the late 1990s. I've been
waiting for it to break since vanity domains/brand tlds are a thing
now. <https://icannwiki.org/Brand_TLD>.

Jeff

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#262566 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-10-22 23:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HrOuB-8kK-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262560
On 10/22/23 14:17, Dan Ritter wrote:
> gene heskett wrote:
>> On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375
>>>
>> Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever
>> domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an un-routeable
>> address block.
> 
> 
> Sure. Right up until the day that someone registers it on the
> Net at large.
> 
> As of March 2021, the IANA root database includes 1589 TLDs.
> "den" is not currently one of them, but that could change at any
> point, and then there would be a high likelihood of "coyote.den"
> being registered by someone else.
> 
> You might not have a specific problem with that, depending on
> how you do local DNS, and depending on what you want. But it's
> safer to either use a recognized internal domain (home.arpa, for
> instance) or a domain that you own, either with split views or
> unpublished internal subdomains (internal.randomstring.org, for
> example).

As I keep repeating Dan, there is not a local dns, its all a 15 entry 
hosts file atm. So that cannot bite /me/.

Now If I should make a typu, fat fingering & miss-spelling an alias, I 
suppose that might resolve to someplace in the neighorhood of a yurt 
near Ulan Bator and they might not appreciate my trying to login in 
English. Until then I'm not inclined to lose much sleep over it.  If it 
ever happens, its adjustable in any event. It will all die when this 
stuff gets turned off by the cleanup crew after I miss roll call.

There's about 6 years left in the pacemaker battery and the average life 
of a TAVR heart valve is another 8 or so years. By then I will be 95 and 
might be napping in my morning cereal. Higher Powers have missed several 
chances to claim me, but they'd look ar the book and send me down, I'd 
fix the stoker, rewind the generators and open an air conditioned bar 
and neither of them could tolerate that. In the meantime ;o)>

> 
> -dsr-
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#262572 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

Fromghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com>
Date2023-10-23 02:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HrQwp-9xU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262566
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How about a /29 or so, named "here.<your initials>", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts).

Works here...

--
Glenn English

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#262586 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

FromJeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
Date2023-10-23 07:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HrVPs-d4R-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262572
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> How about a /29 or so, named "here.<your initials>", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts).

Whatever you come up with for <your initials>, ICANN can add to the
gTLD namespace; see <https://icannwiki.org/Brand_TLD>.

The DNS queries for fii.xy (a typo) will escape your homenet when you
meant to type foo.xy (the target).

Jeff

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#262591 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

FromChristian Groessler <chris@groessler.org>
Date2023-10-23 12:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<Hs0vL-fYM-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262586
On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How about a /29 or so, named "here.<your initials>", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts).
> 
> Whatever you come up with for <your initials>, ICANN can add to the
> gTLD namespace; see <https://icannwiki.org/Brand_TLD>.


Just register a daomain and use that.

regards,
chris

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#262690 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2023-10-25 03:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HsBbX-DSl-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262591
On Mon 23 Oct 2023 at 12:06:05 (+0200), Christian Groessler wrote:
> On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > How about a /29 or so, named "here.<your initials>", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts).
> > 
> > Whatever you come up with for <your initials>, ICANN can add to the
> > gTLD namespace; see <https://icannwiki.org/Brand_TLD>.
> 
> Just register a daomain and use that.

That costs money, and I can't see the point when there are TLDs
that are perfectly safe already available, like .home.arpa, and
before that, .{corp,home,mail}.

Cheers,
David.

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#262695 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

Fromghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com>
Date2023-10-25 05:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HsD45-F9F-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262690
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On Tuesday, October 24th, 2023 at 7:47 PM, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:


> On Mon 23 Oct 2023 at 12:06:05 (+0200), Christian Groessler wrote:
> 
> > On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > 

> > Just register a daomain and use that.
> 
> 
> That costs money, 

It's probably slower than the Ethernet cable (or modern WiFi) to the next room, too.

> and I can't see the point when there are TLDs
> that are perfectly safe already available, like .home.arpa, and
> before that, .{corp,home,mail}.

TLD '.lan' works.  As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist.  

--
Glenn English
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#262700 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

From"Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de>
Date2023-10-25 07:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager
Message-ID<HsEMx-GmD-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262695
Am 25.10.2023 um 03:40:46 Uhr schrieb ghe2001:

> TLD '.lan' works.  As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist.  

Is it intended for that?
No?
Then don't use it. It can be used in the future for public domains.

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#262711 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromMichael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net>
Date2023-10-25 11:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsI3L-IMP-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262700
On 25 Oct 2023 07:32 +0200, from mm@dorfdsl.de (Marco M.):
>> TLD '.lan' works.  As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist.  
> 
> Is it intended for that?
> No?
> Then don't use it. It can be used in the future for public domains.

Exactly.

I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for cobbled-together,
"it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll just fix it later"
style solutions.

"home.arpa" is _reserved specifically_ for almost exactly the purpose
we're talking about: local (for example residential) use where one
does not want to pay for a domain name and/or does not need globally
unique names.

If you have anyway, or are willing to pay for, a domain name that you
can use for the purpose, great; all that power to you.

But most home users aren't in that situation. For those people,
"home.arpa" is _the official_ answer. It's not something I've made up.
There's an RFC, there's a corresponding domain name reservation, it's
specifically set up so that it won't break for example DNSSEC, and
that RFC is a _PROPOSED STANDARD_ which is pretty much as officially
sanctioned as things get on the public Internet. (I think IPv4 has the
status of STANDARD.)

Just like you shouldn't pick some IP address range at random for your
LAN if you want hosts on that LAN to be able to communicate unimpeded
with hosts on the Internet, you shouldn't randomly pick a domain name.
Using a domain name (or IP address range) which is reserved for
examples and documentation likely won't break anything important, but
it _will_ cause confusion (as evidenced earlier in this thread).

If you go with the domain name home.arpa and an IPv4 subnet sliced out
of one of 192.168.0.0/16, 172.12.0.0/12 or 10.0.0.0/8, you can be
_almost certain_ that nothing will break because of those choices, now
_or_ in the future.

None of the other alternatives I've seen proposed in this thread can
offer anything like such guarantees.

-- 
Michael Kjörling                     🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
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#262712 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2023-10-25 13:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsK5z-K0b-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262711
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:18 +0000
Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:


> 
> I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for cobbled-together,
> "it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll just fix it later"
> style solutions.
> 
>

Not arguing about anything else, but this situation you describe is how
IT works, and will continue to work until it stabilises, maybe a
century from now.

I have web pages on my home intranet written anything up to twenty
years ago. The versions of HTML, PHP, Perl etc that I used in many of
them are long obsolete. To do things right, I ought to go over that code
line by line every year or two, checking current documentation to see
what's deprecated, find out how to workaround it and fix it.

Life's too short. So when I use a page I haven't used for years,
there's a good chance it won't work, and I'll have to fix it then. So
be it.

Scale that up, and it's how the whole of IT works. Inevitably, things
will break, hardware and software won't work on new operating systems,
and so on. We have to live with it. Yes, it's nice to do things exactly
correctly, but they are only exactly correct today. Tomorrow, they may
be deprecated, and eventually removed.

The exact situation you address may be set in stone for all time. Or it
may not: it can be changed on a whim. All we can do is make the best
choice at the time, and even then we have to guess at how much time we
need to spend researching it in order to have a better choice than we
can see now, and whether it's worth doing that when we don't even know
that there is a better choice possible.

-- 
Joe

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#262717 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

From"Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de>
Date2023-10-25 14:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsL1D-KGh-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262712
Am 25.10.2023 um 12:17:40 Uhr schrieb Joe:

> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:18 +0000
> Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for
> > cobbled-together, "it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll
> > just fix it later" style solutions.
> > 
> >  
> 
> Not arguing about anything else, but this situation you describe is
> how IT works, and will continue to work until it stabilises, maybe a
> century from now.

Avoiding mistakes by using it as designed is much better than repairing
it years later.

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#262721 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromPocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com>
Date2023-10-25 16:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsNmO-Mb8-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262717

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Marco M. <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 25.10.2023 um 12:17:40 Uhr schrieb Joe:
> 
>>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:18 +0000
>>> Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for
>>> cobbled-together, "it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll
>>> just fix it later" style solutions.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Not arguing about anything else, but this situation you describe is
>> how IT works, and will continue to work until it stabilises, maybe a
>> century from now.
> 
> Avoiding mistakes by using it as designed is much better than repairing
> it years later.
> 
Amen

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#262713 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-10-25 13:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsKff-K4Q-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262711
On 10/25/23 05:01, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 25 Oct 2023 07:32 +0200, from mm@dorfdsl.de (Marco M.):
>>> TLD '.lan' works.  As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist.
>>
>> Is it intended for that?
>> No?
>> Then don't use it. It can be used in the future for public domains.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for cobbled-together,
> "it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll just fix it later"
> style solutions.
> 
> "home.arpa" is _reserved specifically_ for almost exactly the purpose
> we're talking about: local (for example residential) use where one
> does not want to pay for a domain name and/or does not need globally
> unique names.
> 
> If you have anyway, or are willing to pay for, a domain name that you
> can use for the purpose, great; all that power to you.
> 
> But most home users aren't in that situation. For those people,
> "home.arpa" is _the official_ answer. It's not something I've made up.
> There's an RFC, there's a corresponding domain name reservation, it's
> specifically set up so that it won't break for example DNSSEC, and
> that RFC is a _PROPOSED STANDARD_ which is pretty much as officially
> sanctioned as things get on the public Internet. (I think IPv4 has the
> status of STANDARD.)
> 
> Just like you shouldn't pick some IP address range at random for your
> LAN if you want hosts on that LAN to be able to communicate unimpeded
> with hosts on the Internet, you shouldn't randomly pick a domain name.
> Using a domain name (or IP address range) which is reserved for
> examples and documentation likely won't break anything important, but
> it _will_ cause confusion (as evidenced earlier in this thread).
> 
> If you go with the domain name home.arpa and an IPv4 subnet sliced out
> of one of 192.168.0.0/16, 172.12.0.0/12 or 10.0.0.0/8, you can be
> _almost certain_ that nothing will break because of those choices, now
> _or_ in the future.
> 
This thread is the first I've heard of home.arpa as a domainname for 
internal lan's. It s/b easy enough to switch my local lan to that since 
only the domainname changes. The alias shouldn't need changed.

Is there an RFC number for this already?

> None of the other alternatives I've seen proposed in this thread can
> offer anything like such guarantees.

Thank you for this clarificaion.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#262718 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

From"Marco M." <mm@dorfdsl.de>
Date2023-10-25 14:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsL1D-KGh-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262713
Am 25.10.2023 um 07:25:45 Uhr schrieb gene heskett:

> Is there an RFC number for this already?

ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc8375.html

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#262722 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromJeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
Date2023-10-25 18:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsOVz-Nds-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262718
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 8:14 AM Marco M. <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>
> Am 25.10.2023 um 07:25:45 Uhr schrieb gene heskett:
>
> > Is there an RFC number for this already?
>
> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc8375.html

This is so interesting (to me). I can't believe I missed that RFC...

>From the Abstract:

   This document specifies the behavior that is expected from the Domain
   Name System with regard to DNS queries for names ending with
   '.home.arpa.' and designates this domain as a special-use domain
   name. 'home.arpa.' is designated for non-unique use in residential
   home networks.  The Home Networking Control Protocol (HNCP) is
   updated to use the 'home.arpa.' domain instead of '.home'.

Notice '.home.arpa.' is a fully qualified domain name (FQDN). FQDN's
end in dot, and the dot denotes the top of the DNS tree.

'home' is not a FQDN. It is not a node from the top of the DNS tree.
It is just a special label.

One of my pet peeves is when someone conflates a hostname with a FQDN.
Systemd does this all the time. Systemd's [unofficial] policy seems to
be mDNS and its gossip is the source of truth for network names. Old
admins will always consider DNS as the single source of truth for
network names, not gossip-based protocols.

Systemd networking probably has W Richard Stevens rolling over in his grave...

Jeff

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#262733 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2023-10-26 03:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsXma-Spu-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262711
> If you go with the domain name home.arpa and an IPv4 subnet sliced out
> of one of 192.168.0.0/16, 172.12.0.0/12 or 10.0.0.0/8, you can be
> _almost certain_ that nothing will break because of those choices, now
> _or_ in the future.

100% agreement.

It's just such a shame that they chose a name which refers to "arpa" in
it, which is not only US-centric but even belongs to the US's war
department, which I find rather unpalatable.
I understand ARPA was closely related to the beginnings of the Internet,
but...  couldn't they choose something a bit more neutral?


        Stefan

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#262734 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromJohn Hasler <john@sugarbit.com>
Date2023-10-26 03:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsXFv-Svu-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262733
Stefan writes:
> It's just such a shame that they chose a name which refers to "arpa"
> in it, which is not only US-centric but even belongs to the US's war
> department

It belongs to the Internet Architecture Board and is administered by
IANA which is why they chose it. It stands for "Address and Routing
Parameter Area” <https://www.iana.org/domains/arpa>.

-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#262735 — Re: Domain name to use on home networks

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2023-10-26 04:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Domain name to use on home networks
Message-ID<HsYBz-T94-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#262734
>> It's just such a shame that they chose a name which refers to "arpa"
>> in it, which is not only US-centric but even belongs to the US's war
>> department
>
> It belongs to the Internet Architecture Board and is administered by
> IANA which is why they chose it. It stands for "Address and Routing
> Parameter Area” <https://www.iana.org/domains/arpa>.

But that's a "backronym".
It originally referred to the US agency.
I totally understand the technical reasons why they decided to stick to
this naming, but it's still grating.


        Stefan

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