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  Re: debian.org - broken Download link. Dmitry <lbvf50.mobile@gmail.com> - 2023-10-09 14:20 +0200
    Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-10-09 15:20 +0200
      Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.] Mike Castle <dalgoda+debian@gmail.com> - 2023-10-09 16:50 +0200
        Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2023-10-09 17:50 +0200
      Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.] Dima Estudiante <dima.esta.estudiante@gmail.com> - 2023-10-09 17:10 +0200
        Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2023-10-09 17:50 +0200
    Re: debian.org - broken Download link. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-10-09 21:30 +0200

#262267 — Re: debian.org - broken Download link.

Hi, Brad.

The issue with a broken download link was in browser cache. It preserved link
to previous 12.1 version in html. After force update by F5 the issue was
resolved.

P.S. It is so uncommon when robust technologies with low resource consumption
are used, with SinglePageApplications no need to press F5, full data set
downloaded per each request.

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#262268 — Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.]

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On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 07:07:09PM +0700, Dmitry wrote:

[...]

> P.S. It is so uncommon when robust technologies with low resource consumption
> are used, with SinglePageApplications no need to press F5, full data set
> downloaded per each request.

Gah, no. As a user I hate those with all my guts. Page "state" is
distributed in some intransparent way across client and server and
there is no way to refer to "something" via an URL.

Tastes can be so different :)

Cheers
-- 
t

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#262273 — Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.]

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 6:11 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> Gah, no. As a user I hate those with all my guts. Page "state" is
> distributed in some intransparent way across client and server and
> there is no way to refer to "something" via an URL.

Many modern SPAs track state via URL, so they can be referenced.  And
not just as a ?query or #fragment either.

mrc

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#262279 — Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.]

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On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 07:39:44AM -0700, Mike Castle wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 6:11 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> 
> > Gah, no. As a user I hate those with all my guts. Page "state" is
> > distributed in some intransparent way across client and server and
> > there is no way to refer to "something" via an URL.
> 
> Many modern SPAs track state via URL, so they can be referenced.  And
> not just as a ?query or #fragment either.

Sometimes they get it right, yes. Most of the time not.

The problem with web "applications" is that every framework seems
intent in reinventing every wheel, in slightly different ways. Web
"programmers" using those frameworks use them in, again, slightly
different ways. The upshot:

 - slightly different UI "languages" for every application
   (e.g. copy-paste works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't,
   yadda, yadda)
 - at the time the fattest bugs are shaken out, the framework
   dies and is replaced by an even chee^H^H^H^H cooler one.

I've been using my $COMPANY's webmail (a single-pager) for a while.
You can change to calender. If you do a reload, you're thrown back
into your inbox.

People put up with this instead of screaming at their provider.

(I discovered there's an IMAP. Thankfully).

Cheers
-- 
t

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#262274 — Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.]

 > Tastes can be so different :)

Looks like our tastes quite the same.
- Plain HTML with Caching is a robust but now days rare used.
- SPA widely used, but with high resource consumption.

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#262278 — Re: Single-page application [was: debian.org - broken Download link.]

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On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 09:56:43PM +0700, Dima Estudiante wrote:
> > Tastes can be so different :)
> 
> Looks like our tastes quite the same.
> - Plain HTML with Caching is a robust but now days rare used.
> - SPA widely used, but with high resource consumption.

Glad I'm not alone :)

Cheers
-- 
t

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#262280

On 10/9/23 05:07, Dmitry wrote:
> Hi, Brad.
> 
> The issue with a broken download link was in browser cache. It preserved 
> link
> to previous 12.1 version in html. After force update by F5 the issue was
> resolved.
> 
> P.S. It is so uncommon when robust technologies with low resource 
> consumption
> are used, with SinglePageApplications no need to press F5, full data set
> downloaded per each request.


There are two hard problems in computer science:

1.  What to name things.

2.  When to clear caches.

3.  Off-by-one errors.


See also:

* "The Mess We're In" by Joe Armstrong 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4


David

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