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| Started by | Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-10-05 11:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2023-10-09 16:20 +0200 |
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Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2023-10-05 11:50 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2023-10-07 11:20 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-07 13:20 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2023-10-07 15:10 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-07 17:30 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2023-10-07 17:50 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-08 01:10 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2023-10-09 11:40 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-08 13:50 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-08 19:10 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-09 16:10 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-09 16:30 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2023-10-09 11:50 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-10-09 16:30 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2023-10-09 17:10 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-10-09 17:40 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-10-07 18:30 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2023-10-09 13:50 +0200
Re: Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-10-09 16:20 +0200
| From | Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-05 11:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Intermittent WiFi on Network Manager |
| Message-ID | <Hlt9v-dGzX-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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Hello, I am running Debian 12. I have noticed for a little while now that WiFi is intermittent. It goes through cycles of deactivation and activation. It does this on multiple WiFi networks so I know it is not an AP problem. I have network-manager/stable,now 1.42.4-1 amd64 installed. Has anyone else noticed this? Thanks Tim -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
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| From | Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-07 11:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmbDz-e8hP-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262172 |
Am 05/10/2023 um 09:41 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth: > Hello, > > I am running Debian 12. I have noticed for a little while now that WiFi is > intermittent. It goes through cycles of deactivation and activation. It > does this on multiple WiFi networks so I know it is not an AP problem. > > I have network-manager/stable,now 1.42.4-1 amd64 installed. > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > Thanks > > Tim > I am on Debian 11 but I have a similar problem. Have you tried adding: options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8 to /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf and reboot? Fingers crossed, it seems to improve my situation a bit. -- Ottavio Caruso A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-10-07 13:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmdvH-e9qL-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262214 |
On 10/7/23 05:17, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > Am 05/10/2023 um 09:41 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth: >> Hello, >> >> I am running Debian 12. I have noticed for a little while now that >> WiFi is >> intermittent. It goes through cycles of deactivation and activation. It >> does this on multiple WiFi networks so I know it is not an AP problem. >> >> I have network-manager/stable,now 1.42.4-1 amd64 installed. >> >> Has anyone else noticed this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Tim >> > > I am on Debian 11 but I have a similar problem. > > Have you tried adding: > > options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8 > > to > > /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf > > and reboot? > > Fingers crossed, it seems to improve my situation a bit. Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity. As broadcasters, we are required to show that our transmitters are safe for the operating personnel and are required to survey the area around the transmitter as safe for people to be in for extended periods of time, so we have to measure the leakage with a calibrated meter at license renewal every 5 years. So I rented the metering device and when I was done was instructed to ship it to another instate station which I did. He got it, unpacked it and carried it to the break room to study the instructions. Someone came in to warm up a cuppa and the microwave 10 feet away set it off well beyond the alarm trigger level. The door hinges were worn so the door was about 1/16" from properly closing. A rental oven, it was replaced by lunch time, with one that didn't leak. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
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| From | Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-07 15:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hmfe9-eaxP-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262215 |
Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: > Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech support. -- Ottavio Caruso A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-10-07 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmhpD-ebKG-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262219 |
On 10/7/23 09:08, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity > > This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech > support. > Wireless cards w/o good pre-selectivity, which is all the ones we can get these days because of the pricing, WILL be interfered with by a leaky microwave, they are only about 5% different in operating frequency. Figuraively speaking, that microwave is 80 to 100 db louder than the wifi radio. To design a wifi radio front end that would reliably reject the much "louder" microwave, would occupy 20x the cubic volume of todays wifi insert card that plugs into wannabe versions of the pi, or any number of 3d printer controllers and would likely cost close to 20x the cost of that postage stamp sized card. And you are arguing with a broadcast engineer whose 1st phone dates from 63 years ago. Yes, I've been there, and done that. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
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| From | Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-07 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmhIZ-ebRd-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262221 |
Am 07/10/2023 um 15:21 schrieb gene heskett: > On 10/7/23 09:08, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >> >> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >> support. >> > Wireless cards w/o good pre-selectivity, which is all the ones we can > get these days because of the pricing, WILL be interfered with by a > leaky microwave, they are only about 5% different in operating > frequency. Figuraively speaking, that microwave is 80 to 100 db louder > than the wifi radio. To design a wifi radio front end that would > reliably reject the much "louder" microwave, would occupy 20x the cubic > volume of todays wifi insert card that plugs into wannabe versions of > the pi, or any number of 3d printer controllers and would likely cost > close to 20x the cost of that postage stamp sized card. > > And you are arguing with a broadcast engineer whose 1st phone dates from > 63 years ago. Yes, I've been there, and done that. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. We have color tv and stereo FM nowadays. And fax machines. -- Ottavio Caruso A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-10-08 01:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmoAO-eg3P-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262222 |
On 10/7/23 11:42, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > Am 07/10/2023 um 15:21 schrieb gene heskett: >> On 10/7/23 09:08, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >>> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >>> >>> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >>> support. >>> >> Wireless cards w/o good pre-selectivity, which is all the ones we can >> get these days because of the pricing, WILL be interfered with by a >> leaky microwave, they are only about 5% different in operating >> frequency. Figuraively speaking, that microwave is 80 to 100 db louder >> than the wifi radio. To design a wifi radio front end that would >> reliably reject the much "louder" microwave, would occupy 20x the >> cubic volume of todays wifi insert card that plugs into wannabe >> versions of the pi, or any number of 3d printer controllers and would >> likely cost close to 20x the cost of that postage stamp sized card. >> >> And you are arguing with a broadcast engineer whose 1st phone dates >> from 63 years ago. Yes, I've been there, and done that. >> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > We have color tv and stereo FM nowadays. And fax machines. > AS if you think I don't know that. I've converted several tv transmitters to work in this new thing called hidef. Do you have a C.E.T. to go with your know it all certificate? I am also a Certified Electronics Technician. We teach EE's what they didn't learn in school. Getting our hands dirty fixing their mistakes. I never claimed that /was/ the OP's problem, just suggesting a possibility to be investigated. Its called thinking outside the box. Apparently something you rarely do. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
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| From | Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 11:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmUU2-eAlg-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262230 |
Am 07/10/2023 um 23:03 schrieb gene heskett: > Do you have a C.E.T. to go with your know it all certificate? I am also > a Certified Electronics Technician. “You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!” (My great uncle Al) -- Ottavio Caruso A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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| From | Lee <ler762@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-08 13:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmAsh-envp-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262219 |
On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: > Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity > > This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech > support. It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 minute. I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel 11? I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. Lee
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-10-08 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmFrY-eqFT-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262244 |
On 10/8/23 07:43, Lee wrote: > On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >> >> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >> support. > > It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the > bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 > minute. > > I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. > Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a > wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing > work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during > the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) > > Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel 11? > I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & > 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. > > Lee That, again probably, would be because the microwave does NOT transmit an SID, carrier strength would be a giveaway if the receiver could be heard, probably as a loud 120 or 100 hz(in 50 cycle nations) hum. High voltage caps are expen$ive so the HV supply that powers the magnetron is rarely filtered, just rectified. The normal wifi modulation mode is FSK, often with a modified to an NRZ to balance the energy levels in each state. That I'd have to look it up and don't have a copy of that particular CFR rulebook to check. > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
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| From | Lee <ler762@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 16:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmZ7j-eEce-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262256 |
On 10/8/23, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > On 10/8/23 07:43, Lee wrote: >> On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >>> >>> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >>> support. >> >> It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the >> bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 >> minute. >> >> I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. >> Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a >> wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing >> work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during >> the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) >> >> Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel >> 11? >> I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & >> 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. > > That, again probably, would be because the microwave does NOT transmit > an SID, It doesn't transmit anything resembling a wifi frame (packet?), it's just noise as far as the wifi interface knows.. and not something that shows up on a wifi analyzer like linssid. You need a spectrum analyzer to see wifi noise/interference. I just took a quick look again for an affordable spectrum analyzer & didn't see anything. Then again, my definition of "affordable" is under $50 so I suppose that's not to surprising. Regards Lee
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmZqF-eEC7-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262269 |
On 10/9/23 10:08, Lee wrote: > On 10/8/23, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: >> On 10/8/23 07:43, Lee wrote: >>> On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>>>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >>>> >>>> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >>>> support. >>> >>> It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the >>> bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 >>> minute. >>> >>> I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. >>> Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a >>> wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing >>> work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during >>> the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) >>> >>> Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel >>> 11? >>> I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & >>> 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. >> >> That, again probably, would be because the microwave does NOT transmit >> an SID, > > It doesn't transmit anything resembling a wifi frame (packet?), it's > just noise as far as the wifi interface knows.. and not something that > shows up on a wifi analyzer like linssid. > > You need a spectrum analyzer to see wifi noise/interference. I just > took a quick look again for an affordable spectrum analyzer & didn't > see anything. Then again, my definition of "affordable" is under $50 > so I suppose that's not to surprising. > True, a decent spec analyzer starts with the Siglent offering at a little over $3G's, so your $50 is missing some zero's. Really broadband that can see beyond 3 gigahertz costs real money and will spend time in the cal lab annually because their front end is that fragile, some can be destroyed by a 10 milli-watt input signal. > Regards > Lee > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
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| From | Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 11:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmV3H-eAow-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262244 |
Am 08/10/2023 um 11:42 schrieb Lee: > On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >> >> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >> support. > > It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the > bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 > minute. > > I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. > Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a > wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing > work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during > the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) > > Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel 11? > I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & > 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. > > Lee > > So the microwave should be running 100% 24/7? What is it? Am I surrounded by 24/7 greasy spoons? I'm more inclined to believe in a buggy driver implementation. All the nearby Windows laptops run fine. -- Ottavio Caruso A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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| From | Lee <ler762@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmZqF-eEC7-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262264 |
On 10/9/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: > Am 08/10/2023 um 11:42 schrieb Lee: >> On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >>> >>> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >>> support. >> >> It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the >> bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 >> minute. >> >> I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. >> Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a >> wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing >> work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during >> the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) >> >> Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel >> 11? >> I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & >> 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. >> >> Lee >> >> > > So the microwave should be running 100% 24/7? What is it? Am I > surrounded by 24/7 greasy spoons? I'm more inclined to believe in a > buggy driver implementation. All the nearby Windows laptops run fine. In other words, you didn't try running iperf and then starting the microwave, right? Or you did and don't want to admit that your microwave interferes with wifi. Either way, take a look at https://www.acrylicwifi.com/en/blog/performing-wifi-spectrum-analysis-information-provided/#How_to_Perform_a_Professional_Site_Survey scroll down just a bit and see The most common devices that create interference and noise in a wireless infrastructure are: Some of those do run 24/7. And finally https://www.zdnet.com/article/usb-3-and-usb-c-devices-can-cause-problems-with-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-connections-but-theres-a-solution/ which I've never seen in action, just read about. Lee
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| From | Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 17:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hn03o-eFz6-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262271 |
Am 09/10/2023 um 14:28 schrieb Lee: > On 10/9/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Am 08/10/2023 um 11:42 schrieb Lee: >>> On 10/7/23, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Am 07/10/2023 um 11:11 schrieb gene heskett: >>>>> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity >>>> >>>> This is an urban legend and an excuse I was using when I was in tech >>>> support. >>> >>> It's real. Try it yourself - run iperf for 2 minutes, display the >>> bandwidth report every second and then start the microwave for 1 >>> minute. >>> >>> I get the thruput cut in half or or more when the microwave is on. >>> Which is an improvement on the previous microwave which used to kill a >>> wireless connection. (which was super annoying when the wife was doing >>> work-from-home & I wasn't allowed to use the microwave _at_all_ during >>> the day. I suspect that's the reason she got a toaster oven) >>> >>> Is it fairly well-known that microwave ovens interfere the most on channel >>> 11? >>> I just tried linssid again and there's a bunch of APs on channel 1 & >>> 6, one on channel 2 and two on channel 8. Nothing on channel 11. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >> >> So the microwave should be running 100% 24/7? What is it? Am I >> surrounded by 24/7 greasy spoons? I'm more inclined to believe in a >> buggy driver implementation. All the nearby Windows laptops run fine. > > In other words, you didn't try running iperf and then starting the > microwave, right? > Or you did and don't want to admit that your microwave interferes with wifi. > > Either way, take a look at > https://www.acrylicwifi.com/en/blog/performing-wifi-spectrum-analysis-information-provided/#How_to_Perform_a_Professional_Site_Survey > > scroll down just a bit and see > The most common devices that create interference and noise in a > wireless infrastructure are: > > Some of those do run 24/7. And finally > https://www.zdnet.com/article/usb-3-and-usb-c-devices-can-cause-problems-with-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-connections-but-theres-a-solution/ > which I've never seen in action, just read about. > > Lee > > So, we are all running the same frequencies on mobile phones. We all use mobile phones, so we should be all cancelling each other out? Something doesn't add up. T H E R E A R E N O M I C R O W A W E O V E N S H E R E !!! -- Ottavio Caruso A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 17:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hn0wp-eFIF-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 03:06:14PM +0000, Ottavio Caruso wrote: [...] > So, we are all running the same frequencies on mobile phones. We all use > mobile phones, so we should be all cancelling each other out? Something > doesn't add up. Perhaps you should read up on how mobile phones work. > T H E R E A R E N O M I C R O W A W E O V E N S H E R E !!! If there's no background noise... why are you shouting? ;-) Cheers -- t
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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-10-07 18:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmilH-eciJ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On 07/10/2023 18:11, gene heskett wrote: > On 10/7/23 05:17, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >> options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8 >> >> to >> >> /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf > > Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity. I consider buggy firmware as a more plausible cause of crashes when Intel WiFi card wakes up.
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| From | Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 13:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmWVP-eBuS-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On 07/10/2023 08:11, gene heskett wrote: > Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity. As Also check the color of the microwave: if it's bright magenta, change it to a black one. No, wait, that's SATA cables. Never mind. -- Wedding rings are the world's smallest handcuffs. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI eduardo@kalinowski.com.br
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-10-09 16:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HmZgZ-eEoR-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #262265 |
On 10/9/23 07:47, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 07/10/2023 08:11, gene heskett wrote: >> Another possibility is a leaky microwave oven in the vicinity. As > > Also check the color of the microwave: if it's bright magenta, change it > to a black one. > > No, wait, that's SATA cables. Never mind. Actually Eduardo it can be any cable. First observed in the 1970's at the height of the CB radio craze, and the then Japanese dominant radios used that color of wire for the microphones push to talk switch. I was benching at Norfolk 2-Way Radio, a 2nd afternoon job while careing for and feeding a uhf transmitter for the Nebraska ETV Commission and about the time we were celebrating our 200th anniversary as a nation, I had around 75 radios on the back shelf of the service room, waiting on microphone cable replacements I couldn't get cuz by then nearly everyone in the cable making business had offshored the making to the J.A.Pan co. That was the only cable we could get thru our supply chaanels, and its life in a large car was much less than a year. Belden finally came to our rescue by starting up a line to make coil cord versions, but they thought we were roping cattle with them so it took a 40 lb pull on a 2 foot cable to make it 3 feet. Complaints to the J.A.Pan src's must have been read by employee's who spoke or read no English as it took several years to get that fixed. Then the same plastic die started showing up in computers at about the same time sata became the interface std. As the outer jacket color cuz it was purty. The actual wire inside may have a different color jacket inside the magenta sleeve, but that only prolongs the failure to 3 to 5 years time frame. The initial failure shows up in the logs as drive resets. So if the log blows up when one of those colored cables is touched by a pencil, its gone, but for a long term fix, use any other color. It will last longer. A lot longer. Folks laugh at me, and I guess I'm an urban legend. I'll soon be gone as I turned 89 last week. I've done pretty good on an 8th grade education, but I tested at IQ of 147 in the 7nth grade. quit school and went to work fixing them new things called tv's in 1948. Got a 1st phone in 1962 and a job at the local tv station. Saw a notice in the local fish wrap that the local Community College was testing for Certified Electronics Technician certificates in 1972, walked into the classroom of the prof teaching the class the next morning and put my 20 dollar bill on his desk. Had 4 hours to do it. I was down with that years flu so I spent some time in the john, but finished the test in 45 minutes. Raised his eyebrows a long ways when he laid the answer stencil on my test papers and saw a sea of black. He had been teaching that class for several years. I, a total stranger with a $20 bill for his time, was the first to pass that test. Not a single one of his students had passed it. That certificate, has gotten me every job I've asked for since, its testimony that I do know what the hell I'm doing. Yes, I have made mistakes, and I'm honest about it when I do, but this isn't one of them. There is one CET for every hundred EE's who can't pass it. They haven't gotten their hands dirty enough. I've been there, and done that, got my hands dirty and learned by doing. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
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