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| Started by | steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> |
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| First post | 2023-09-19 16:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2023-09-20 04:40 +0200 |
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[a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> - 2023-09-19 16:50 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-09-19 16:50 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-09-19 17:00 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Jason <jason@7748229.xyz> - 2023-09-19 19:30 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> - 2023-09-20 08:20 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-09-20 10:50 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> - 2023-09-20 11:40 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 17:50 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-09-20 20:40 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-09-20 21:20 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 23:00 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-09-21 00:00 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Tamas Sohamar <sohamartamas@gmail.com> - 2023-09-21 07:10 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Karl Vogel <vogelke@pobox.com> - 2023-09-20 04:10 +0200
Re: [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-09-20 04:40 +0200
| From | steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> |
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| Date | 2023-09-19 16:50 +0200 |
| Subject | [a bit OT] Automate a (G o o g l e) search from a list of strings |
| Message-ID | <HfKd3-a41w-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Hello, I'm sorry if this question is a bit OT but since the answer will be implemented from a Debian machine, it's not completely OT :) I have a list of 200 keywords and would like for every one to launch a search on a specific website and put the result(s) in a file, something like: search keyword website: example.com >> file.csv I guess I could code a Python script to do that but if something already exists I'd rather use it. Any ideas or links ? Thanks ! s.
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| From | Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-19 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HfKd3-a41w-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261759 |
On 19 Sep 2023 16:41 +0200, from dlist@bluewin.ch (steve): > I have a list of 200 keywords and would like for every one to launch a > search on a specific website and put the result(s) in a file, something > like: > > search keyword website: example.com >> file.csv > > I guess I could code a Python script to do that but if something already > exists I'd rather use it. Look at pup. -- Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2023-09-19 17:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HfKmJ-a44Y-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261759 |
steve (12023-09-19): > I have a list of 200 keywords and would like for every one to launch a > search on a specific website and put the result(s) in a file, something > like: > > search keyword website: example.com >> file.csv > > I guess I could code a Python script to do that but if something already > exists I'd rather use it. > > Any ideas or links ? Hi. If you have access to Google's APIs, then the answer is probably in their documentation. If not, then what you intend is completely forbidden by Google's terms and service. And they have detection: please only do this on a computer and network access when you will be the only one inconvenienced when they block your access. It happened on a computer I co-administrate. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Jason <jason@7748229.xyz> |
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| Date | 2023-09-19 19:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HfMHT-a5Dd-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261761 |
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On 19.09.23 16:52, Nicolas George wrote: > If not, then what you intend is completely forbidden by Google's terms > and service. And they have detection: please only do this on a computer > and network access when you will be the only one inconvenienced when > they block your access. It happened on a computer I co-administrate. I wouldn't query Google directly. They are evil, as already mentioned. Use an alternative front-end, for example https://searx.be Source and list of public instances https://github.com/searxng/searxng cheers Jason
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| From | steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 08:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HfYJ3-ad3h-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261761 |
Dear all, Thank you for your answers, unfortunately they don't help me much (provided code is too complicated for me). Le 19-09-2023, à 16:52:24 +0200, Nicolas George a écrit : >steve (12023-09-19): >> I have a list of 200 keywords and would like for every one to launch a >> search on a specific website and put the result(s) in a file, something >> like: >> >> search keyword website: example.com >> file.csv >> >> I guess I could code a Python script to do that but if something already >> exists I'd rather use it. >> >> Any ideas or links ? > >Hi. > >If you have access to Google's APIs, then the answer is probably in >their documentation. I don't. >If not, then what you intend is completely forbidden by Google's terms >and service. And they have detection: please only do this on a computer >and network access when you will be the only one inconvenienced when >they block your access. It happened on a computer I co-administrate. Why would it be forbidden, I just want to automate what I could do manually? Nothing evil in my approach. Have a nice day. s.
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 10:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hg14d-aeq8-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261769 |
Hello, On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 08:13:43AM +0200, steve wrote: > Le 19-09-2023, à 16:52:24 +0200, Nicolas George a écrit : > > what you intend is completely forbidden by Google's terms and > > service. And they have detection: please only do this on a > > computer and network access when you will be the only one > > inconvenienced when they block your access. It happened on a > > computer I co-administrate. > > Why would it be forbidden, I just want to automate what I could do > manually? Nothing evil in my approach. Google terms of use forbid mechanization, automation and scraping of their service. And as Nicolas says, they do check, and they do punish offenders. At best you'd be hoping that the volume of your queries falls below their radar. But I wouldn't risk it. A typical punishment is to require a CAPTCHA be solved for any query from your netblock to any Google property, which is immensely annoying. I have had to terminate my own customers on multiple occasions over their inability to take this exact issue seriously, because it really upsets OTHER customers when they suddenly need to solve a CAPTCHA to do a search query or look at their email. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 11:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hg1QB-af2R-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261770 |
Le 20-09-2023, à 08:46:06 +0000, Andy Smith a écrit : >Hello, > >On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 08:13:43AM +0200, steve wrote: >> Le 19-09-2023, à 16:52:24 +0200, Nicolas George a écrit : >> > what you intend is completely forbidden by Google's terms and >> > service. And they have detection: please only do this on a >> > computer and network access when you will be the only one >> > inconvenienced when they block your access. It happened on a >> > computer I co-administrate. >> >> Why would it be forbidden, I just want to automate what I could do >> manually? Nothing evil in my approach. > >Google terms of use forbid mechanization, automation and scraping of >their service. And as Nicolas says, they do check, and they do >punish offenders. At best you'd be hoping that the volume of your >queries falls below their radar. But I wouldn't risk it. > >A typical punishment is to require a CAPTCHA be solved for any query >from your netblock to any Google property, which is immensely >annoying. > >I have had to terminate my own customers on multiple occasions over >their inability to take this exact issue seriously, because it >really upsets OTHER customers when they suddenly need to solve a >CAPTCHA to do a search query or look at their email. Thank you very much for this very clear explanation, I didn't know that (never read those terms of use to be honest). I ended up doing my searches by hand, it took some time and that's all right. Best, s.
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| From | Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hg7CF-aixE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261770 |
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 09:35 Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 08:13:43AM +0200, steve wrote: > > Le 19-09-2023, à 16:52:24 +0200, Nicolas George a écrit : > > > what you intend is completely forbidden by Google's terms and > > > service. And they have detection: please only do this on a > > > computer and network access when you will be the only one > > > inconvenienced when they block your access. It happened on a > > > computer I co-administrate. What if you used an equilavent script but increased and randomized time between each search string? Or do you think just the single search is enough to trigger them? -Tom
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 20:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hgahc-akd8-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261777 |
Tom Browder (12023-09-20): > What if you used an equilavent script but increased and randomized time > between each search string? Or do you think just the single search is > enough to trigger them? We can try to exercise some common sense, in particular by comparing to similar situations. For example, if you take something that does not belong to you, but do it at night, when everybody is sleeping and being very careful you do not make a step squeak or break the laser beams, is it still stealing? I think most people would consider the answer to the question whether what you describes breaks Google's terms of use is the same. Now, if your interrogation is whether we think you would get away with it. Well, as it is roughly equivalent to asking if I think you are smarter than the people at Google, I will respectfully decline to answer. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HgaTT-akFM-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261789 |
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 08:35:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Tom Browder (12023-09-20): > > What if you used an equilavent script but increased and randomized time > > between each search string? Or do you think just the single search is > > enough to trigger them? > > We can try to exercise some common sense, in particular by comparing to > similar situations. For example, if you take something that does not > belong to you, but do it at night, when everybody is sleeping and being > very careful you do not make a step squeak or break the laser beams, is > it still stealing? I think most people would consider the answer to the > question whether what you describes breaks Google's terms of use is the > same. > > Now, if your interrogation is whether we think you would get away with > it. Well, as it is roughly equivalent to asking if I think you are > smarter than the people at Google, I will respectfully decline to > answer. Or possibly Google doesn't care /that/ much. Or even possibly they welcome the degree of lock-in they achieve in "markets" which usually are beyond their reach (there was a time when Microsoft was definitely doing this: their license numbers were so easily guessable that it almost surely wasn't a honest mistake). Reality is often even messier :) Cheers -- t
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| From | Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 23:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HgcsF-alsv-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261789 |
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 13:36 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote: > Tom Browder (12023-09-20): > > What if you used an equilavent script but increased and randomized time ... We can try to exercise some common sense, in particular by comparing to > similar situations. For example, if you take something that does not > belong to you, but do it at night, when everybody is sleeping and being > very careful you do not make a step squeak or break the laser beams, is > it still stealing? I apologize. I was not referring to stealing, and I haven't read the details in the terms of use. What I should have asked was: "is a single query in the script okay?" If so, how much time would have to pass before the next query in order to adhere to the terms of service? In the distant past I have used Google's APIs to search mail, and I believe there was some kind of rate or time limit for their use. -Tom
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| From | The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2023-09-21 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HgdoJ-am27-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261792 |
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On 2023-09-20 at 16:50, Tom Browder wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 13:36 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> > wrote: > >> Tom Browder (12023-09-20): >> >>> What if you used an equilavent script but increased and >>> randomized time > > ... > >> We can try to exercise some common sense, in particular by >> comparing to similar situations. For example, if you take something >> that does not belong to you, but do it at night, when everybody is >> sleeping and being very careful you do not make a step squeak or >> break the laser beams, is it still stealing? > > I apologize. I was not referring to stealing, and I haven't read the > details in the terms of use. What I should have asked was: "is a > single query in the script okay?" If so, how much time would have to > pass before the next query in order to adhere to the terms of > service? You'd have to refer to the TOS to be certain, but based on the way they've been described here, it isn't a question of amount of time. It's the fact that you're applying scripts and automation at all, vs. having each search be individually triggered by (and, I suspect, the results sent/shown to) a real-person user. Yes, this is horrific in light of the fact that automation is what computers are *for* - but it also makes sense from Google's likely perspective, and it's entirely plausible that they might care enough to try to detect even minimal amounts of automation. In principle, it probably *would* be possible to script doing such a thing in such a way that it would not be sufficiently distinguishable from human access patterns for them to be able to tell. (Varying time between accesses almost certainly would not do it; among possibly other things, you'd need to specify the accessing program, etc., in a way that is doable but not necessarily obvious.) That said, you'd be taking a gamble that your ability to obfuscate such things is better than Google's ability to detect it. Who would you prefer to bet on in a competition like that? -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Tamas Sohamar <sohamartamas@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-21 07:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Hgk6R-aqzn-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261794 |
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Using another search engine is not an option? On Thu, 21 Sept 2023, 05:55 The Wanderer, <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On 2023-09-20 at 16:50, Tom Browder wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 13:36 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Tom Browder (12023-09-20): > >> > >>> What if you used an equilavent script but increased and > >>> randomized time > > > > ... > > > >> We can try to exercise some common sense, in particular by > >> comparing to similar situations. For example, if you take something > >> that does not belong to you, but do it at night, when everybody is > >> sleeping and being very careful you do not make a step squeak or > >> break the laser beams, is it still stealing? > > > > I apologize. I was not referring to stealing, and I haven't read the > > details in the terms of use. What I should have asked was: "is a > > single query in the script okay?" If so, how much time would have to > > pass before the next query in order to adhere to the terms of > > service? > > You'd have to refer to the TOS to be certain, but based on the way > they've been described here, it isn't a question of amount of time. It's > the fact that you're applying scripts and automation at all, vs. having > each search be individually triggered by (and, I suspect, the results > sent/shown to) a real-person user. > > Yes, this is horrific in light of the fact that automation is what > computers are *for* - but it also makes sense from Google's likely > perspective, and it's entirely plausible that they might care enough to > try to detect even minimal amounts of automation. > > In principle, it probably *would* be possible to script doing such a > thing in such a way that it would not be sufficiently distinguishable > from human access patterns for them to be able to tell. (Varying time > between accesses almost certainly would not do it; among possibly other > things, you'd need to specify the accessing program, etc., in a way that > is doable but not necessarily obvious.) > > That said, you'd be taking a gamble that your ability to obfuscate such > things is better than Google's ability to detect it. Who would you > prefer to bet on in a competition like that? > > -- > The Wanderer > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all > progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw > >
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| From | Karl Vogel <vogelke@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 04:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HfUP7-aaxO-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261759 |
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 10:42:14AM -0400, steve wrote:
> I have a list of 200 keywords and would like for every one to launch a
> search on a specific website and put the result(s) in a file [...]
Take a list of words and turn it into a single Google query matching any
of them:
me% cat keywords
corsairs
buccaneers
privateers
Desired query:
https://www.google.com/search?q=corsairs+OR+buccaneers+OR+privateers
Script:
me% cat search
#!/bin/sh
export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
set -o nounset
umask 022
query=$(tr "[:space:]" "+" < keywords |
sed -e 's/ /+OR+/g' -e 's/+$//' -e 's/+/+OR+/g')
curl -s -L -o pirate.htm "https://www.google.com/search?q=${query}"
ls -l pirate.htm
exit 0
Results:
me% ./search
-rw-r--r-- 1 vogelke 220487 19-Sep-2023 21:33:21 pirate.htm
If you want results in text form, lots of programs can do that:
me% lynx -cookies -accept_all_cookies -dump -width 80 pirate.htm
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Buccaneers Home
www.buccaneers.com
The official source of the latest Bucs headlines, news, videos, photos,
tickets, rosters, stats, schedule and gameday information.
People also ask
What is the difference between a pirate and a corsair?
What kind of pirate is a corsair?
What were Spanish pirates called?
What is the history of corsairs?
Pirates, Privateers, Corsairs, Buccaneers: What's the Difference?
www.britannica.com > Demystified > Geography & Travel
Corsairs were essentially privateers, although the term corsair carried
an added religious connotation because the conflict was between Muslim
and Christian...
HTH.
--
Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company
Leonardo diCaprio in Titanic: Despite acting like a plank of wood,
he still can't float. --"Top Ten Most Welcome Movie Deaths", Stylus Magazine
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2023-09-20 04:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <HfVi9-aaNr-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #261765 |
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 09:53:25PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 10:42:14AM -0400, steve wrote:
> > I have a list of 200 keywords and would like for every one to launch a
> > search on a specific website and put the result(s) in a file [...]
>
> Take a list of words and turn it into a single Google query matching any
> of them:
>
> me% cat keywords
> corsairs
> buccaneers
> privateers
>
> Desired query:
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=corsairs+OR+buccaneers+OR+privateers
It sounds more like steve wanted 200 separate searches, one for each
keyword. For that, you'd use a very simple loop.
> Script:
>
> me% cat search
> #!/bin/sh
> export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
> set -o nounset
> umask 022
>
> query=$(tr "[:space:]" "+" < keywords |
> sed -e 's/ /+OR+/g' -e 's/+$//' -e 's/+/+OR+/g')
>
> curl -s -L -o pirate.htm "https://www.google.com/search?q=${query}"
> ls -l pirate.htm
> exit 0
Joining a list (array) of strings into a big string is so horribly ugly
in /bin/sh. Switching to bash buys you so many better options.
#!/bin/bash
mapfile -t words < keywords
printf -v query '%s+OR+' "${words[@]}"
query=${query%+OR+}
curl -s -L -o output.html "https://www.google.com/search?q=$query"
Of course, if you were writing this for publication, you'd want to
URL-encode the keywords themselves, because they might contain spaces,
plus signs, ampersands, etc.
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