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  Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-09-12 12:20 +0200
    Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2023-09-12 17:30 +0200
      Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-09-12 18:20 +0200
      Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> - 2023-09-12 23:00 +0200
        Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2023-09-13 02:20 +0200
          Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> - 2023-09-13 02:30 +0200
          Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-09-13 06:40 +0200
            Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2023-09-13 14:30 +0200
              Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-09-13 15:50 +0200
              Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-09-13 16:20 +0200
                Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2023-09-13 19:20 +0200
                  FF not working for bank [was: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-09-13 20:20 +0200
                  Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-09-14 09:10 +0200
                    Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2023-09-14 23:50 +0200
            SOLVED [was: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone?] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2023-09-13 20:20 +0200
        Re: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-09-13 06:30 +0200

#261600 — Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone?

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Hi,

it seems I can't start chromium. Pretty straight net install,
Xfce desktop environment (no specialties, just the "normal"
install), then "apt-get install chromium".

Issuing "chromium" in a terminal seems to hang, top shows
four processes running (and eating RAM for breakfast), but
well whithin my 8G (at least RES, VIRT is at 32G.

The whole thing stays like this until I ^C the command. Box
behaves otherwise normally.

Starting firefox (from the launcher or from the command line)
works as I'd expect it to.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Sorry for my lack of specificity, I have no experience with
Chromium.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#261604

On 2023-09-12, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> it seems I can't start chromium. Pretty straight net install,
> Xfce desktop environment (no specialties, just the "normal"
> install), then "apt-get install chromium".
>
> Issuing "chromium" in a terminal seems to hang, top shows
> four processes running (and eating RAM for breakfast), but
> well whithin my 8G (at least RES, VIRT is at 32G.
>
> The whole thing stays like this until I ^C the command. Box
> behaves otherwise normally.
>
> Starting firefox (from the launcher or from the command line)
> works as I'd expect it to.
>
> Am I doing anything wrong?
>
> Sorry for my lack of specificity, I have no experience with
> Chromium.
>

Maybe related to this bug?

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037

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#261605

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 03:25:35PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2023-09-12, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > it seems I can't start chromium. Pretty straight net install,
> > Xfce desktop environment (no specialties, just the "normal"
> > install), then "apt-get install chromium".

[...]

> Maybe related to this bug?
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037

The description seems to fit. Thanks, Curt for the find!

Cheers
-- 
t

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#261609

On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 15:25 +0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2023-09-12, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > it seems I can't start chromium. Pretty straight net install,
> > Xfce desktop environment (no specialties, just the "normal"
> > install), then "apt-get install chromium".
> > 
> > Issuing "chromium" in a terminal seems to hang, top shows
> > four processes running (and eating RAM for breakfast), but
> > well whithin my 8G (at least RES, VIRT is at 32G.
> > 
> > The whole thing stays like this until I ^C the command. Box
> > behaves otherwise normally.
> > 
> > Starting firefox (from the launcher or from the command line)
> > works as I'd expect it to.
> > 
> > Am I doing anything wrong?
> > 
> > Sorry for my lack of specificity, I have no experience with
> > Chromium.
> > 
> 
> Maybe related to this bug?
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037

Similar situation to mine, although specifics vary.
The situation here is with Chromium on a SID laptop, while Chromium on
a Stable desktop is just fine.
Starting from a terminal gives:

Gtk-Message: 06:46:36.954: Failed to load module "appmenu-gtk-module"
libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed
[12968:12968:0913/064637.144984:ERROR:chrome_browser_cloud_management_c
ontroller.cc(163)] Cloud management controller initialization aborted
as CBCM is not enabled.
[12968:12999:0913/064637.896873:ERROR:nss_util.cc(357)] After loading
Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
[0913/064638.283625:ERROR:elf_dynamic_array_reader.h(64)] tag not found
[13049:1:0100/000000.316639:ERROR:broker_posix.cc(41)] Recvmsg error:
Connection reset by peer (104)
Segmentation fault

It just looked like something that needed the developers to wake up in
the morning, so I've left it for now.
I do get a flash of Chromium on the screen before it dies, so it's
classic seg fault. It just looks like the latest development phase
hasn't been married up too well with the context.
Cheers!

-- 
`One day, the great European war will come out of some damned foolish
thing in the Balkans'.

-- Otto von Bismarck (1888)

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#261611

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:55:40 +1000
David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> wrote:


> Similar situation to mine, although specifics vary.
> The situation here is with Chromium on a SID laptop, while Chromium on
> a Stable desktop is just fine.
> Starting from a terminal gives:
> 
> Gtk-Message: 06:46:36.954: Failed to load module "appmenu-gtk-module"
> libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed
> [12968:12968:0913/064637.144984:ERROR:chrome_browser_cloud_management_c
> ontroller.cc(163)] Cloud management controller initialization aborted
> as CBCM is not enabled.
> [12968:12999:0913/064637.896873:ERROR:nss_util.cc(357)] After loading
> Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
> [0913/064638.283625:ERROR:elf_dynamic_array_reader.h(64)] tag not found
> [13049:1:0100/000000.316639:ERROR:broker_posix.cc(41)] Recvmsg error:
> Connection reset by peer (104)
> Segmentation fault
> 
> It just looked like something that needed the developers to wake up in
> the morning, so I've left it for now.
> I do get a flash of Chromium on the screen before it dies, so it's
> classic seg fault. It just looks like the latest development phase
> hasn't been married up too well with the context.
> Cheers!

The OP was on Stable; with Sid, we're hitting this:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355

One solution until the problem is resolved is to downgrade the Chromium
packages, as per here:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355#10

(The older Chromium packages are available at snapshot.debian.org.)

-- 
Celejar

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#261613

On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 20:09 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:55:40 +1000
> David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Similar situation to mine, although specifics vary.
> > The situation here is with Chromium on a SID laptop, while Chromium
> > on
> > a Stable desktop is just fine.
> > Starting from a terminal gives:
> > 
> > Gtk-Message: 06:46:36.954: Failed to load module "appmenu-gtk-
> > module"
> > libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init
> > failed
> > [12968:12968:0913/064637.144984:ERROR:chrome_browser_cloud_manageme
> > nt_c
> > ontroller.cc(163)] Cloud management controller initialization
> > aborted
> > as CBCM is not enabled.
> > [12968:12999:0913/064637.896873:ERROR:nss_util.cc(357)] After
> > loading
> > Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
> > [0913/064638.283625:ERROR:elf_dynamic_array_reader.h(64)] tag not
> > found
> > [13049:1:0100/000000.316639:ERROR:broker_posix.cc(41)] Recvmsg
> > error:
> > Connection reset by peer (104)
> > Segmentation fault
> > 
> > It just looked like something that needed the developers to wake up
> > in
> > the morning, so I've left it for now.
> > I do get a flash of Chromium on the screen before it dies, so it's
> > classic seg fault. It just looks like the latest development phase
> > hasn't been married up too well with the context.
> > Cheers!
> 
> The OP was on Stable; with Sid, we're hitting this:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355
> 
> One solution until the problem is resolved is to downgrade the
> Chromium
> packages, as per here:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355#10
> 
> (The older Chromium packages are available at snapshot.debian.org.)

Yes, thanks for that.
I'll just hang in.
I never rely on just the one browser, having at least two installed.
I suspect the fix will be along in the not too distant future.
Chromium development is fairly active.
Cheers!

-- 
`One day, the great European war will come out of some damned foolish
thing in the Balkans'.

-- Otto von Bismarck (1888)

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#261622

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 08:09:48PM -0400, Celejar wrote:

[...]

> The OP was on Stable; with Sid, we're hitting this:

Yes.

> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355

In the OP's case, Curt's proposal

  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037

fits things better (#1051355 mentions a segfault, in #1039037 the
processes just hang around)

> One solution until the problem is resolved is to downgrade the Chromium
> packages, as per here:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355#10
> 
> (The older Chromium packages are available at snapshot.debian.org.)

...but downgrading might be an idea. Alas, I might not get rhe
chance to try. $DAYJOB $BOSS wants to have (eek) Windoze on the
machine (I won't even think of Chromium on my private laptop ;-)

Cheers
-- 
t

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#261633

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:35:12 +0200
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 08:09:48PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > The OP was on Stable; with Sid, we're hitting this:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355
> 
> In the OP's case, Curt's proposal
> 
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037
> 
> fits things better (#1051355 mentions a segfault, in #1039037 the
> processes just hang around)
> 
> > One solution until the problem is resolved is to downgrade the Chromium
> > packages, as per here:
> > 
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355#10
> > 
> > (The older Chromium packages are available at snapshot.debian.org.)
> 
> ...but downgrading might be an idea. Alas, I might not get rhe
> chance to try. $DAYJOB $BOSS wants to have (eek) Windoze on the
> machine (I won't even think of Chromium on my private laptop ;-)

I have no choice - there's at least one important site (of a major
financial institution) that I need that simply doesn't work with
Firefox.

-- 
Celejar

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#261635

Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> I have no choice - there's at least one important site (of a major
> financial institution) that I need that simply doesn't work with
> Firefox.

If I had anything to do with any financial institution, major or not,
that was so incompetent that their website wasn't browser agnostic I
would rapidly disengage myself from any involvement with that financial
institution. I care about my money!

Actually, I can generalise that. I don't do business with any
organisation whose website won't work in FF.

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#261638

On Wed 13 Sep 2023 at 08:24:27 (-0400), Celejar wrote:

> I have no choice - there's at least one important site (of a major
> financial institution) that I need that simply doesn't work with
> Firefox.

Usual question: what does "doesn't work" mean?

Cheers,
David.

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#261642

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:16:15 -0500
David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed 13 Sep 2023 at 08:24:27 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> 
> > I have no choice - there's at least one important site (of a major
> > financial institution) that I need that simply doesn't work with
> > Firefox.
> 
> Usual question: what does "doesn't work" mean?

The site frequently goes into some kind of redirect loop - it keeps
jumping back and forth between "logon.example.com" and
"some.page.example.com", preventing me from accessing the site. I can
get around this, at least sometimes, by simply going to the URL bar and
typing in some other example.com url, but this behavior is really
annoying.

The truth is, however, that although I thought I had fully investigated
the problem, I was wrong. Upon further investigation, it seems that it's
my uBlock Origin settings that are causing the problem - disabling it
entirely (as opposed to just for the pages mentioned above) solves the
problem. Now I just have to dive into the logger and try to figure out
what I need to adjust to get things working.

-- 
Celejar

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#261644 — FF not working for bank [was: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone?]

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 01:14:34PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:16:15 -0500
> David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed 13 Sep 2023 at 08:24:27 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > > I have no choice - there's at least one important site (of a major
> > > financial institution) that I need that simply doesn't work with
> > > Firefox.
> > 
> > Usual question: what does "doesn't work" mean?
> 
> The site frequently goes into some kind of redirect loop - it keeps
> jumping back and forth between "logon.example.com" and
> "some.page.example.com",

This looks like some cookie gets lost in transaction.  The second
page sees you coming empty-handed, sends you to the first to get
your cookie and for some reason you drop it (I know, because I
usually disallow all cookies ;-)

>                          preventing me from accessing the site. I can
> get around this, at least sometimes, by simply going to the URL bar and
> typing in some other example.com url, but this behavior is really
> annoying.
> 
> The truth is, however, that although I thought I had fully investigated
> the problem, I was wrong. Upon further investigation, it seems that it's
> my uBlock Origin settings that are causing the problem - disabling it
> entirely (as opposed to just for the pages mentioned above) solves the
> problem. Now I just have to dive into the logger and try to figure out
> what I need to adjust to get things working.

Yep, exactly that. It might also happen if you disallow third-party
cookies (a reasonable thing to do) and the bank's web "developers"
play cookie ping-pong with some other shady web "service" (to them,
not to you).

Complain to them. It may not help upfront but it binds resources. If
many people do, they might ending up giving in.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#261655

On 13 Sep 2023 13:14 -0400, from celejar@gmail.com (Celejar):
> The truth is, however, that although I thought I had fully investigated
> the problem, I was wrong. Upon further investigation, it seems that it's
> my uBlock Origin settings that are causing the problem - disabling it
> entirely (as opposed to just for the pages mentioned above) solves the
> problem. Now I just have to dive into the logger and try to figure out
> what I need to adjust to get things working.

For those times when I just want something to work _once_ and don't
foresee a need to do the thing repeatedly, I have written a script to
start Firefox with a brand new profile, then delete it on exit.

It's not a great solution, admittedly, and the script itself is a bit
of a hack; but it works.

-- 
Michael Kjörling                     🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se
“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

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#261679

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 07:04:50 +0000
Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> wrote:

> On 13 Sep 2023 13:14 -0400, from celejar@gmail.com (Celejar):
> > The truth is, however, that although I thought I had fully investigated
> > the problem, I was wrong. Upon further investigation, it seems that it's
> > my uBlock Origin settings that are causing the problem - disabling it
> > entirely (as opposed to just for the pages mentioned above) solves the
> > problem. Now I just have to dive into the logger and try to figure out
> > what I need to adjust to get things working.
> 
> For those times when I just want something to work _once_ and don't
> foresee a need to do the thing repeatedly, I have written a script to
> start Firefox with a brand new profile, then delete it on exit.
> 
> It's not a great solution, admittedly, and the script itself is a bit
> of a hack; but it works.

That's what I just did manually to troubleshoot: create a fresh
profile, verify that the site works with it, then delete it.

-- 
Celejar

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#261645 — SOLVED [was: Chromium under Xfce/bookworm anyone?]

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 06:35:12AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 08:09:48PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > The OP was on Stable; with Sid, we're hitting this:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051355
> 
> In the OP's case, Curt's proposal
> 
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037

Yes, it is exactly this. After one reboot [1] all is well.

Thank you all for your help!

Cheers

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1039037#10
-- 
tomás

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#261621

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 06:55:40AM +1000, David wrote:

[...]

> Similar situation to mine, although specifics vary.
> The situation here is with Chromium on a SID laptop, while Chromium on
> a Stable desktop is just fine.
> Starting from a terminal gives:
> 
> Gtk-Message: 06:46:36.954: Failed to load module "appmenu-gtk-module"
> libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed
> [12968:12968:0913/064637.144984:ERROR:chrome_browser_cloud_management_c
> ontroller.cc(163)] Cloud management controller initialization aborted
> as CBCM is not enabled.
> [12968:12999:0913/064637.896873:ERROR:nss_util.cc(357)] After loading
> Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
> [0913/064638.283625:ERROR:elf_dynamic_array_reader.h(64)] tag not found
> [13049:1:0100/000000.316639:ERROR:broker_posix.cc(41)] Recvmsg error:
> Connection reset by peer (104)
> Segmentation fault
> 
> It just looked like something that needed the developers to wake up in
> the morning, so I've left it for now.
> I do get a flash of Chromium on the screen before it dies, so it's
> classic seg fault. It just looks like the latest development phase
> hasn't been married up too well with the context.

This seems to be a bit different: in my case, some four Chromium
processes stay around, hogging some RAM (a couple of 100MB) and
a tiny bit of CPU. No flashes, no segfaults.

Cheers
-- 
t

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