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smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Started bygene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
First post2024-01-13 03:50 +0100
Last post2024-01-19 21:10 +0100
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  smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 03:50 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2024-01-13 04:00 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-13 04:00 +0100
      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 06:00 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-13 16:50 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 18:10 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 18:30 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-13 19:50 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 00:30 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2024-01-14 14:40 +0100
      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-01-14 11:40 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-14 17:30 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-01-13 06:40 +0100
    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-14 13:50 +0100
      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 20:50 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-15 01:50 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 02:20 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 14:50 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-15 19:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 23:00 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-15 21:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 00:20 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 01:00 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 01:10 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 00:50 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 01:10 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 01:20 +0100
                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 02:40 +0100
                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 03:20 +0100
                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-16 04:00 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 07:00 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2024-01-16 09:20 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 12:10 +0100
                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Valerio Vanni <valerio.vanni@inwind.it> - 2024-01-16 13:40 +0100
                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-17 01:20 +0100
                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 03:00 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 16:00 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-16 15:10 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 15:40 +0100
                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-16 15:50 +0100
                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-17 01:20 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-16 17:10 +0100
                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 03:20 +0100
                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 07:00 +0100
                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 15:30 +0100
                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 18:10 +0100
                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 18:30 +0100
                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 20:40 +0100
                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:40 +0100
                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 22:20 +0100
                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 22:40 +0100
                                    normally start new xterms [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my  storage, need syntax help] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: normally start new xterms "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-18 20:10 +0100
                                        Re: normally start new xterms conover@panix.com (John Conover) - 2024-01-18 20:20 +0100
                                          Re: normally start new xterms "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-18 21:20 +0100
                                            Re: normally start new xterms conover@panix.com (John Conover) - 2024-01-18 21:40 +0100
                                        Re: normally start new xterms <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-19 06:50 +0100
                                          Re: normally start new xterms <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-19 09:10 +0100
                                            Re: normally start new xterms "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-19 10:20 +0100
                                              Re: normally start new xterms <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-19 10:40 +0100
                                          Re: normally start new xterms "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-19 09:10 +0100
                                            Re: normally start new xterms David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-19 18:10 +0100
                                          Re: normally start new xterms Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2024-01-19 15:20 +0100
                                            Re: normally start new xterms <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-19 16:10 +0100
                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-18 04:50 +0100
                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 22:20 +0100
                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 08:50 +0100
                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 16:40 +0100
                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 17:40 +0100
                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:20 +0100
                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 22:10 +0100
                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-17 17:40 +0100
                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-17 18:20 +0100
                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:40 +0100
                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 22:50 +0100
                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 01:00 +0100
                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 02:00 +0100
                                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 05:30 +0100
                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 07:00 +0100
                                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 07:50 +0100
                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 10:00 +0100
                                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 12:50 +0100
                                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-18 22:10 +0100
                                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-19 07:00 +0100
                                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-19 08:30 +0100
                                                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-19 22:00 +0100
                                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-20 01:20 +0100
                                                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-20 02:30 +0100
                                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-20 06:40 +0100
                                                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-20 08:00 +0100
                                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-20 16:30 +0100
                                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-20 21:30 +0100
                                                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-21 06:40 +0100
                                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-21 07:40 +0100
                                                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 12:50 +0100
                                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-21 22:20 +0100
                                                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 23:50 +0100
                                                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-22 00:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 06:50 +0100
                                                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-22 10:50 +0100
                                                                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 12:30 +0100
                                                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-22 19:00 +0100
                                                                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 20:40 +0100
                                                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-22 22:10 +0100
                                                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-23 00:50 +0100
                                                                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 03:50 +0100
                                                                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-23 04:00 +0100
                                                                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 05:00 +0100
                                                                                    Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need  syntax help] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 05:20 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage,  needsyntax help] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 06:10 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help] Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-01-25 11:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-23 08:40 +0100
                                                                                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 12:10 +0100
                                                                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-23 04:50 +0100
                                                                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 12:50 +0100
                                                                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Karl Vogel <vogelke@pobox.com> - 2024-01-23 06:40 +0100
                                                                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 12:10 +0100
                                                                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-01-23 12:20 +0100
                                                                                      Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 12:40 +0100
                                                                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-01-25 15:10 +0100
                                                                                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-01-25 18:20 +0100
                                                                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-01-26 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-29 06:20 +0100
                                                                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Karl Vogel <vogelke@pobox.com> - 2024-01-24 09:30 +0100
                                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-21 10:40 +0100
                                                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 18:40 +0100
                                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-19 05:10 +0100
                                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-18 08:40 +0100
                                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-01-19 09:20 +0100
                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-01-19 11:00 +0100
                                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-19 13:10 +0100
                                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-19 13:00 +0100
                              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-18 17:40 +0100
                            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 21:20 +0100
                          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-17 18:10 +0100
                        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-01-18 08:20 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 02:10 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-17 03:00 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-17 05:10 +0100
        Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-15 08:50 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 15:50 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-15 23:00 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 00:40 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 00:50 +0100
                Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 07:10 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 07:20 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-16 17:40 +0100
                    Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 02:50 +0100
                  Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-17 02:30 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 17:10 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 00:10 +0100
          Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 21:00 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 22:10 +0100
              To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot  access my storage, need syntax help) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-16 22:40 +0100
                Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot  access my storage, need syntax help) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2024-01-18 02:00 +0100
                  Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-18 04:40 +0100
                    Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help) Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 17:30 +0100
                      Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-18 18:10 +0100
                  Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannot access my storage, need syntax help) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-18 15:20 +0100
                    Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannot access my storage, need syntax help) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2024-01-18 17:10 +0100
              Re: mdraid construction and testing (was: smartctl cannot access my  stor...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-16 23:00 +0100
                Testing storage performance (Was Re: mdraid construction and testing  (was: smartctl cannot access my stor...)) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-01-17 04:40 +0100
            Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-01-19 09:10 +0100
              Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help) Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 20:10 +0100
                Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-01-19 20:20 +0100
                  Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl  cannotaccess my storage, need syntax help) Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 20:50 +0100
              Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-19 21:10 +0100

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#266444

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-22 12:30 +0100
Message-ID<HZ0F3-4MJW-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266443
On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/21/24 21:42, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> 3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or 
>>>>> build another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are 
>>>>> not using it.
>>>> ...
>>>> Designed to run every night when things are relatively quiet, how 
>>>> this works well depends on the other machines it is backing up be 
>>>> available.
>>> ...
>>> 1. Wake on LAN.
>>>
>>> 2. Wake at preset day/time.
>> ...
>> Unfortunately, amanda is truely ancient, for some reason the 
>> originator who first wrote it in the later 70's IIRC sold it nearly 20 
>> years ago to a commercial outfit called zmanda, who took it more or 
>> less commercial, throwing the amanda named version under the buss. 
>> They must have ran out of money and resold it to another outfit, who 
>> has redoubled their effort to get rid of the free version. One of the 
>> things it has not been fixed to do, is issue a wakeup call, and wait 
>> for the clients to get their stuff in one sock, say 30 seconds to get 
>> everything spun up and ready to take orders, so I'm pretty sure a 
>> client that doesn't respond in milliseconds will be skipped. So 
>> basically, amanda needs to be officially forked since the current 
>> owner, Betsol has not made any contribution to amanda that amounts to 
>> an actual update but once in 6 or 7 years now,  There's several things 
>> it now needs, such as the wake-on-lan support done right. Python is 
>> part of it but python 2 is still needed. Or a whole new start for 
>> something to replace and put it back squarely in the gplv2 or 3 camp. 
>> If there is actually another capable of diddling the level schedule 
>> like amanda does, I'm sure I could name some of the major users that 
>> would jump ship in a week or so once they became aware of a workalike.
> 
> 
> It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:
> 
> https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html
> 
> 
> The zmanda wiki has a Script API page, but it is empty (?):
> 
> https://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Script_API.
> 
> 
> For BIOS/UEFI wake-on-lan, it might be possible to write a script that 
> wakes the clients, to write a script that shuts down the clients, to 
> configure the Amanda server to run the wake script before backups, and 
> to configure the Amanda server to run the shutdown script after backups.
> 
> 
> For BIOS/UEFI wake at preset day/time, it might be possible to set the 
> clients to wake before the scheduled backup time, to write a script that 
> shuts down the clients, and to configure the Amanda server to run the 
> shutdown script after backups.
> 
> 
> David
All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far our list 
of volunteers is pretty slim. I once wrote a script that added amanda's 
database to the end of the vtape amanda had just made, making a bare 
metal recovery to the state it had just reported instead of a bare metal 
being one run out of date, but I did that in bash. I've never did 
anything to amanda itself except compile it, its old perl, old python 
and probably older bash, all dumped into the same bowl and the mixer 
turned on high. Amanda, right now, needs 15 years of catchup tlc. I 
haven't even tried to build it since wheezy and I have far newer srcs 
than the current 3.51 here. While I have the /home/amanda dir with all 
that it , i'd have to create anew amanda user with passwd-less access to 
the system to even attempt a build of what I have.
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266461

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-01-22 19:00 +0100
Message-ID<HZ6Kt-4RvH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266444
On 1/22/24 03:23, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote:
>> It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:
>>
>> https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html
>> ...
> All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far our list 
> of volunteers is pretty slim. I once wrote a script that added amanda's 
> database to the end of the vtape amanda had just made, making a bare 
> metal recovery to the state it had just reported instead of a bare metal 
> being one run out of date, but I did that in bash. I've never did 
> anything to amanda itself except compile it, its old perl, old python 
> and probably older bash, all dumped into the same bowl and the mixer 
> turned on high. Amanda, right now, needs 15 years of catchup tlc. I 
> haven't even tried to build it since wheezy and I have far newer srcs 
> than the current 3.51 here. While I have the /home/amanda dir with all 
> that it , i'd have to create anew amanda user with passwd-less access to 
> the system to even attempt a build of what I have.


Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own.


David

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#266470

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-22 20:40 +0100
Message-ID<HZ8jf-4Svi-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266461
On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/22/24 03:23, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote:
>>> It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:
>>>
>>> https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html
>>> ...
>> All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far our 
>> list of volunteers is pretty slim. I once wrote a script that added 
>> amanda's database to the end of the vtape amanda had just made, making 
>> a bare metal recovery to the state it had just reported instead of a 
>> bare metal being one run out of date, but I did that in bash. I've 
>> never did anything to amanda itself except compile it, its old perl, 
>> old python and probably older bash, all dumped into the same bowl and 
>> the mixer turned on high. Amanda, right now, needs 15 years of catchup 
>> tlc. I haven't even tried to build it since wheezy and I have far 
>> newer srcs than the current 3.51 here. While I have the /home/amanda 
>> dir with all that it , i'd have to create anew amanda user with 
>> passwd-less access to the system to even attempt a build of what I have.
> 
> 
> Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own.
> 
> 
> David
> 
That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I 
just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5.  How does an 8T backup 
server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the 
sheckel's.
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266475

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2024-01-22 22:10 +0100
Message-ID<HZ9Il-4Tte-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266470
> That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I just
> installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5.  How does an 8T backup server
> sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

I remember Amanda fondly from the days when I was backing up a labs
machine to DATs.  And while I see the benefit of using a tool with which
you're familiar, you might want to look at alternatives like Bup, Borg,
Restic, Bupstash, ... (or even Rsync/Rsnapshot).

Amanda was designed specifically to work efficiently when backing up to
a tape device.  If, like most people nowadays, you backup to something
like an HDD or SSD, Amanda is IMO overly complex and slow and doesn't
give you as much functionality as more modern alternatives (alternatives
which simply wouldn't work when backing up to a tape).


        Stefan

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#266482

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-01-23 00:50 +0100
Message-ID<HZcdb-4V1j-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266470
On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote:
>> Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own.
>> ..
> That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I 
> just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5. 


Okay.


> How does an 8T backup 
> server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the 
> sheckel's.


What hardware?


David

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#266485

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 03:50 +0100
Message-ID<HZf1o-4WEV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266482
On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote:
>>> Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your 
>>> own.
>>> ..
>> That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda 
>> I just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5. 
> 
> 
> Okay.
> 
> 
>> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
>> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
> 
> 
> What hardware?
> 
I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack of 
some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata 
convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T 
holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.

UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be sufficient.

Take care, stay warm, dry & well, David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266487

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-01-23 04:00 +0100
Message-ID<HZfb3-4WHW-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266485
On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>>> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
>>> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
>>
>> What hardware?
>>
> I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack of 
> some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata 
> convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T 
> holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
> according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
> drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.
> 
> UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
> sufficient.


URL's?


David

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#266490

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 05:00 +0100
Message-ID<HZg77-4Xld-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266487
On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
>>>> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
>>>
>>> What hardware?
>>>
>> I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack 
>> of some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the 
>> sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 
>> 2T holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
>> according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
>> drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.
>>
>> UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
>> sufficient.
> 
> 
> URL's?

hub:

<https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Charging-Individual-Switches-Extension/dp/B07G8CMR18/ref=sr_1_15?crid=GCB0AOR9OUVP&keywords=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowered%2Bhub&qid=1705981769&sprefix=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowerd%2Bhub%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-15&th=1>

2T ssd's:

<https://www.amazon.com/External-Portable-Drive2TB-Desktop-Chromebook/dp/B0CPDGY8RC/ref=sr_1_62?crid=1JJ4ZBDF36VT8&keywords=usb-c%2B2T%2Bssd&qid=1705982036&sprefix=usb-c%2B2t%2Bssd%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-62&th=1>

> David
> 
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266494 — Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-23 05:20 +0100
SubjectPowered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]
Message-ID<HZgqt-4XGx-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266490
On 23/01/2024 10:55, gene heskett wrote:
> hub:
> 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Charging-Individual-Switches-Extension/dp/B07G8CMR18/ref=sr_1_15?crid=GCB0AOR9OUVP&keywords=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowered%2Bhub&qid=1705981769&sprefix=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowerd%2Bhub%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-15&th=1>

Purchasing a powered USB hub, I made a mistake. I have not checked 
compatibility with hubctl in advance.
https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl/

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#266497 — Re: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, needsyntax help]

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 06:10 +0100
SubjectRe: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, needsyntax help]
Message-ID<HZhcR-4YaG-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266494
On 1/22/24 23:10, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 23/01/2024 10:55, gene heskett wrote:
>> hub:
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Charging-Individual-Switches-Extension/dp/B07G8CMR18/ref=sr_1_15?crid=GCB0AOR9OUVP&keywords=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowered%2Bhub&qid=1705981769&sprefix=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowerd%2Bhub%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-15&th=1>
> 
> Purchasing a powered USB hub, I made a mistake. I have not checked 
> compatibility with hubctl in advance.
> https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl/
> 
> .
A valuable tool indeed, bookmarked FFR.  Thank you Max.
Take care, stay warm, dry and well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266582 — Re: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]

FromAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi>
Date2024-01-25 11:00 +0100
SubjectRe: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]
Message-ID<I04GB-5s2x-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266494
Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> writes:

> Purchasing a powered USB hub, I made a mistake. I have not checked
> compatibility with hubctl in advance.
> https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl/

Wow, that's very cool. I wonder if there's anything similar for USB
switches? I have one that's software controllable but it's not great for
my purpose, which is doing the K and M parts of a poor man's KVM switch.

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#266503

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-01-23 08:40 +0100
Message-ID<HZjy1-4Zyq-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266490
On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:
>>> On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:
>>>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
>>>>> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
>>>>
>>>> What hardware?
>>>>
>>> I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack 
>>> of some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the 
>>> sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 
>>> 2T holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
>>> according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
>>> drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.
>>>
>>> UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
>>> sufficient.
>>
>> URL's?
> 
> hub:
> 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Charging-Individual-Switches-Extension/dp/B07G8CMR18/ref=sr_1_15?crid=GCB0AOR9OUVP&keywords=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowered%2Bhub&qid=1705981769&sprefix=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowerd%2Bhub%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-15&th=1>


Okay.


> 2T ssd's:
> 
> <https://www.amazon.com/External-Portable-Drive2TB-Desktop-Chromebook/dp/B0CPDGY8RC/ref=sr_1_62?crid=1JJ4ZBDF36VT8&keywords=usb-c%2B2T%2Bssd&qid=1705982036&sprefix=usb-c%2B2t%2Bssd%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-62&th=1>


Please use a tool to confirm that the drives actually store 2 TB when 
you receive them.


David

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#266511

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 12:10 +0100
Message-ID<HZmPf-51BZ-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266503
On 1/23/24 02:31, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
>>>>>> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
>>>>>
>>>>> What hardware?
>>>>>
>>>> I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 
>>>> pack of some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping 
>>>> the sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm 
>>>> with a 2T holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, 
>>>> which according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, 
>>>> though the drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 
>>>> at earliest.
>>>>
>>>> UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
>>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> URL's?
>>
>> hub:
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Charging-Individual-Switches-Extension/dp/B07G8CMR18/ref=sr_1_15?crid=GCB0AOR9OUVP&keywords=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowered%2Bhub&qid=1705981769&sprefix=7%2Bport%2Busb3%2Bpowerd%2Bhub%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-15&th=1>
> 
> 
> Okay.
> 
> 
>> 2T ssd's:
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/External-Portable-Drive2TB-Desktop-Chromebook/dp/B0CPDGY8RC/ref=sr_1_62?crid=1JJ4ZBDF36VT8&keywords=usb-c%2B2T%2Bssd&qid=1705982036&sprefix=usb-c%2B2t%2Bssd%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-62&th=1>
> 
> 
> Please use a tool to confirm that the drives actually store 2 TB when 
> you receive them.
> 
At that price, you betcha.
> 
> David
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266488

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2024-01-23 04:50 +0100
Message-ID<HZfXr-4Xij-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266485
> some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata
> convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T holding

AFAIK 2T for $27 doesn't exist yet in the current real world.
You can find a fair number of creatively sized USB disks in that price
range, but they are lying (tho admittedly, they tend to lye in a more
obvious way with claimed capacities of 30TB or even more).

This doesn't pass my scam detector.  I hope it's wrong for once.


        Stefan

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#266514

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 12:50 +0100
Message-ID<HZnrX-51OR-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266488
On 1/22/24 22:48, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata
>> convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T holding
> 
> AFAIK 2T for $27 doesn't exist yet in the current real world.
> You can find a fair number of creatively sized USB disks in that price
> range, but they are lying (tho admittedly, they tend to lye in a more
> obvious way with claimed capacities of 30TB or even more).
> 
> This doesn't pass my scam detector.  I hope it's wrong for once.
> 
So do I Stefan. But somebody had to test and report.  And I won't starve 
if t fails.
> 
>          Stefan
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266499

FromKarl Vogel <vogelke@pobox.com>
Date2024-01-23 06:40 +0100
Message-ID<HZhFU-4Ysc-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266485
>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:

G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
$168.18

What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)

-- 
Karl Vogel                      I don't speak for anyone but myself

I yam Popeye of Borg.  You will be askimilgrated.

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#266510

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 12:10 +0100
Message-ID<HZmPf-51BZ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266499
On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote:
>>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
> G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
> Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
> $168.18
> 
> What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
> incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)
> 
My disastrous experience with the last pair of seagates preclude 
exploring that path, ever again. I bought a couple 2T's to replace  2 
1T's I had outgrown and had close to 70,000 spining hours on the.  They 
lasted a bit less than 30 days, dropping off the sata cables connecting 
then, never to be found again. Then I find they were shingled tech, and 
helium filled so the heads flew lower.

But I have experience with helium in large car load qty's of it and in 
30 days I can guarantee those drives no longer had any Helium in them if 
there was any positive pressure inside them. This was about a year after 
JFK launched his effort to put men on the moon the first time.

A bank of 16 monel bottles, each about a foot in diameter and maybe 12 
feet long, pumped up to about 7500 psia for the night at midnight at 
Stellardyne labs in Sandy Eggo while testing the atlas stuff that gave 
John Glenn his 1st full orbital ride, were down to around 5800 psia at 8 
the next morning when the day shift got there. The Helium atom is so 
small it creeps between the atoms of tha monel, the best alloy for that. 
and heads for outer space never to be seen again.

And that was considered normal, and better thn the 50,000 gallon steel 
tank that caught and recyled the test cells output, we had a 6 stage 
cardox compress in the back yard that suck from that big tank and put it 
back on those monel bottles. With a guvmnt truck bringing in new to 
replace it 2x a week. In those days the guv automatically owned any 
helium recovered from deep in mines by air reduction techniques.  It's a 
precious commodity, worth close to $100,000 a truckload in $1.75 min 
wage days. When its gone, its gone and we will exhaust the planets 
supply by filling party balloons with it. Filling hard drives with it to 
make the heads fly lower is idiocy. Regardless of how thick you cast the 
alu or pot metal of a drive housing, it will be gone much quicker than 
those monel bottles allowed.

They (Seagate) could have gotten a longer term lower head fly by sealing 
them up in a vacuum equ to the top of Everest.

Like Albert Eintsein said, the 2 most common things in the universe are 
stupidity and hydrogen, in that order.

You may not have arrived yet Karl, but I was there, busy testing the 
fuel pressure regulators for Atlas rockets and keeping my wife barefoot 
and pregnant, her choice for both.

Take care, stay warm, dry and well Karl.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266512

FromGremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com>
Date2024-01-23 12:20 +0100
Message-ID<HZmYV-51F3-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266510
On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote:
>>>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>>
>> G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
>> G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
>> Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
>> $168.18
>>
>> What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
>> incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)
>>
> My disastrous experience with the last pair of seagates preclude 
> exploring that path, ever again. I bought a couple 2T's to replace  2 
> 1T's I had outgrown and had close to 70,000 spining hours on the.  They 
> lasted a bit less than 30 days, dropping off the sata cables connecting 
> then, never to be found again. Then I find they were shingled tech, and 
> helium filled so the heads flew lower.


https://www.howtogeek.com/803276/cmr-vs.-smr-hard-drives-whats-the-difference/

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#266513

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-01-23 12:40 +0100
Message-ID<HZnih-51Li-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266512
On 1/23/24 06:12, Gremlin wrote:
> On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote:
>>>>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
>>> G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
>>> Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
>>> $168.18
>>>
>>> What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
>>> incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)
>>>
>> My disastrous experience with the last pair of seagates preclude 
>> exploring that path, ever again. I bought a couple 2T's to replace  2 
>> 1T's I had outgrown and had close to 70,000 spining hours on the.  
>> They lasted a bit less than 30 days, dropping off the sata cables 
>> connecting then, never to be found again. Then I find they were 
>> shingled tech, and helium filled so the heads flew lower.
> 
> 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/803276/cmr-vs.-smr-hard-drives-whats-the-difference/

I carefully note, the use of Helium and its problems is very carefully 
ignored.

> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266584

FromAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi>
Date2024-01-25 15:10 +0100
Message-ID<I08Ax-5uu2-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#266513
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:

> I carefully note, the use of Helium and its problems is very carefully
> ignored.

I suppose helium is not required for SMR drives and could be used in CMR
drives too... Western Digital at least claims to have solved the leaking
problem with helium and since they've been making those drives for over
a decade, I think it's solved.

Really a shame how the whole SMR mess happened. For the last decade or
so I thought I can just double the size of my little "stuff" server
(mirrored 1 TB drives) by bigger 2.5" drives. But no, first they came
out with fat 2 TB drives and then the slim drives all went SMR. There
was a time when suitable drives were available but I wasn't shopping
then. So instead of replacing just the drives, I replaced
everything. The new server is way faster and has a lot more storage but
it's also noisier and slower to wake due to the 3.5" drives.

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