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  I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 06:40 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-21 07:40 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 13:10 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-21 08:20 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 14:30 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-21 10:30 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 14:40 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2024-01-21 11:30 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 11:40 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 11:40 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2024-01-21 16:20 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-21 17:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2024-01-21 18:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
                  Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 21:00 +0100
                    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 21:10 +0100
                    chromium http://localhost:80 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-22 16:20 +0100
                      Re: chromium http://localhost:80 gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 19:30 +0100
                    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-23 05:10 +0100
                      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 06:00 +0100
                        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-23 13:40 +0100
                          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-23 14:10 +0100
                          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 14:20 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 19:20 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:00 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 19:40 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2024-01-21 20:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 21:00 +0100
                  Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 21:30 +0100
                    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 21:40 +0100
                      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 22:50 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 20:30 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 19:40 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:10 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
                  Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:40 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-21 11:50 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 19:00 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2024-01-21 15:10 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 19:20 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-21 19:40 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 05:50 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2024-01-23 13:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 13:50 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2024-01-21 20:00 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 20:50 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-21 20:50 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <hohe72@posteo.de> - 2024-02-05 23:00 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2024-02-05 23:30 +0100

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#266348 — I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF 
with fill in the blanks for all the info.

Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266350

On 1/20/24 21:35, gene heskett wrote:
> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF 
> with fill in the blanks for all the info.
> 
> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Atril Document Viewer works for me.


David

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#266365

On 1/21/24 01:36, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/20/24 21:35, gene heskett wrote:
>> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
>> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter 
>> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
>>
>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> 
> 
> Atril Document Viewer works for me.

I have it installed, but while the display gui looks like an editor, 
nothing happens when I type something or click on a checkbox. My 
handwriting is pretty bad so I'd much rather be able to type my answers 
to the many questions presented, typing into the supplied blank spaces.

Am I doing something and the edit functions are disabled?
> 
> 
> David
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266354

Am 21.01.2024 um 00:35:13 Uhr schrieb gene heskett:

> The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill in the blanks for all
> the info.
> 
> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

If the fields are technically a form, evince can fill them out.
If not, you can use Libreoffice, but format might break.

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#266368

On 1/21/24 02:11, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 21.01.2024 um 00:35:13 Uhr schrieb gene heskett:
> 
>> The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill in the blanks for all
>> the info.
>>
>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> 
> If the fields are technically a form, evince can fill them out.
I had it "annotate" my name on the appropriate page, left an icon there, 
then printed that page as a test, printout was blank.  No help from the 
help button. Have we something that actually works?

> If not, you can use Libreoffice, but format might break.

That, sent to writer, redirected the pdf to draw and refused to go to 
the next pages. Tried it twice, got draw twice, did find the correct 
page, under a navigate pulldown but while it did take clicks like it was 
marking some, the location marked was half a page from the click 
location.  I quite w/o saving.

Thanks.


> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266355

On 21/01/2024 12:35, gene heskett wrote:
> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF 
> with fill in the blanks for all the info.
> 
> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

Have you tried firefox built-in PDF viewer and okular?

To add a "handwritten" signature I used xournal.

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#266369

On 1/21/24 04:28, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 21/01/2024 12:35, gene heskett wrote:
>> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
>> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter 
>> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
>>
>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> 
> Have you tried firefox built-in PDF viewer and okular?
> 
> To add a "handwritten" signature I used xournal.
> 
Thank you, that at least seems to work although not hardcopy tested yet.
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266358

gene heskett wrote:
> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence over a
> cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill
> in the blanks for all the info.

If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use often chromium.

> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

I bought Master PDF Editor, but even the commercial Qoppa looks quiet interesting.

My experience is, I can use MasterPDF Editor on two machines (i.e. Desktop and Laptop), which is a requirement for me. Some times I need to reinstall the Debian Packages again, because it "forgets" its license or has issues with Qt5 - so I kept the original Debian Packages, as I didn't want to buy it again. I'm using Master PDF Editor on Debian now over various Debian versions, and over various machines since several years. Not renewing the lincese means only that I'm kept away from the latest features, but not from the original progam.

Best regards,
	Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

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#266359

On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> gene heskett wrote:
>> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence over a
>> cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill
>> in the blanks for all the info.
> 
> If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use often chromium.
> 
>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> 
> I bought Master PDF Editor, but even the commercial Qoppa looks quiet interesting.
> 
> My experience is, I can use MasterPDF Editor on two machines (i.e. Desktop and Laptop), which is a requirement for me. Some times I need to reinstall the Debian Packages again, because it "forgets" its license or has issues with Qt5 - so I kept the original Debian Packages, as I didn't want to buy it again. I'm using Master PDF Editor on Debian now over various Debian versions, and over various machines since several years. Not renewing the lincese means only that I'm kept away from the latest features, but not from the original progam.
> 
> Best regards,
> 	Klaus.
My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the 
data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.

chroming is dangerous.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#266360

On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
>> gene heskett wrote:
>>> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
>>> over a
>>> cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF 
>>> with fill
>>> in the blanks for all the info.
>>
>> If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use 
>> often chromium.
>>
>>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
>>
>> I bought Master PDF Editor, but even the commercial Qoppa looks quiet 
>> interesting.
>>
>> My experience is, I can use MasterPDF Editor on two machines (i.e. 
>> Desktop and Laptop), which is a requirement for me. Some times I need 
>> to reinstall the Debian Packages again, because it "forgets" its 
>> license or has issues with Qt5 - so I kept the original Debian 
>> Packages, as I didn't want to buy it again. I'm using Master PDF 
>> Editor on Debian now over various Debian versions, and over various 
>> machines since several years. Not renewing the lincese means only that 
>> I'm kept away from the latest features, but not from the original progam.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>     Klaus.
> My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the 
> data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.
> 
> chroming is dangerous.
> 
> ....
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .................
> 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#266374

Bret Busby wrote:
> On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> > > 
> > > If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I
> > > use often chromium.
> > > 
[...]
> > My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
> > data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.
> > 
> > chroming is dangerous.

> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were several years ago.

Best regards,
	Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

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#266379

Klaus writes:
> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> browser: chromium

In what way is it crippled?
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#266383

John Hasler wrote:
> Klaus writes:
> > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> > browser: chromium
> 
> In what way is it crippled?

Properietary parts are missing, which require a fee to ship, like Widevine.

In the past I couldn't watch Video on Demand with chromium, whereas chrome was capable. Currently I don't watch any more, can't say much about current situation.

Regards,
	Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

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#266402

On 1/21/24 11:06, John Hasler wrote:
> Klaus writes:
>> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
>> browser: chromium
> 
> In what way is it crippled?
Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web 
page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google 
doesn't know WTH to do with localhost, yet it can call home with 
everything.

sudo apt purge it, firefox-esr or the nightly snap (on armbian) still 
works fine.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266413

Klaus writes:
> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> browser: chromium

I wrote:
> In what way is it crippled?

Gene writes:
> Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
> page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
> doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...

I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.


-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#266419

On 1/21/24 14:29, John Hasler wrote:
> Klaus writes:
>> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
>> browser: chromium
> 
> I wrote:
>> In what way is it crippled?
> 
> Gene writes:
>> Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
>> page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
>> doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...
> 
> I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.
It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the html 
versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.  Firefox-esr can use 
that syntax just fine.

Where the difference be?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266421

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 02:50:59PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the html
> versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.  Firefox-esr can use
> that syntax just fine.
> 
> Where the difference be?

https://wooledge.org/~greg/gene/chrome1.png
https://wooledge.org/~greg/gene/chrome2.png

The difference, Gene, is in something YOU did.  It works for everyone
else.

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#266452 — chromium http://localhost:80

On 22/01/2024 02:50, gene heskett wrote:
> browser: chromium
>>
> It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the html 
> versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.

/usr/share may be unavailable inside snap or flatpack sandboxes, so it 
is expected. Even /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf may 
differ in the mount namespace created for chromium. It might be 
necessary to use a tool like nsenter to inspect runtime environment of 
the process.

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#266466 — Re: chromium http://localhost:80

On 1/22/24 10:23, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 22/01/2024 02:50, gene heskett wrote:
>> browser: chromium
>>>
>> It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the 
>> html versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.
> 
> /usr/share may be unavailable inside snap or flatpack sandboxes, so it 
> is expected. Even /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf may 
> differ in the mount namespace created for chromium. It might be 
> necessary to use a tool like nsenter to inspect runtime environment of 
> the process.
> 
nsenter? Never heard of it before, but I have the man page so I'll 
certainly study it, thank you Max for making me aware of it.
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266492

On Sun 21 Jan 2024 at 14:50:59 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/21/24 14:29, John Hasler wrote:
> > Klaus writes:
> > > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> > > browser: chromium
> > 
> > I wrote:
> > > In what way is it crippled?
> > 
> > Gene writes:
> > > Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
> > > page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
> > > doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...

Why would that cause a permissions (403) error?

> > I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.
> It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the
> html versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.

I don't understand why a file:// prefix would test whether port 80 worked.
Port 80 is for http:// isn't it?

> Firefox-esr
> can use that syntax just fine.

Which syntax, the one in your previous sentence or the one in your
previous post?

> Where the difference be?

Between what and what? You never seem to quote what you actually
put in the address bar together with what the outcome was.

Cheers,
David.

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