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  I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 06:40 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-21 07:40 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 13:10 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-21 08:20 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 14:30 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-21 10:30 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 14:40 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2024-01-21 11:30 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 11:40 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 11:40 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2024-01-21 16:20 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-21 17:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2024-01-21 18:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
                  Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 21:00 +0100
                    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 21:10 +0100
                    chromium http://localhost:80 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-22 16:20 +0100
                      Re: chromium http://localhost:80 gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 19:30 +0100
                    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-23 05:10 +0100
                      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 06:00 +0100
                        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-23 13:40 +0100
                          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-23 14:10 +0100
                          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 14:20 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 19:20 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:00 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 19:40 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2024-01-21 20:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 21:00 +0100
                  Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 21:30 +0100
                    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-21 21:40 +0100
                      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 22:50 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-01-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 20:30 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 19:40 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:10 +0100
                Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:30 +0100
                  Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 20:40 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-21 19:50 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-21 11:50 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-01-21 19:00 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2024-01-21 15:10 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 19:20 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-01-21 19:40 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-22 05:50 +0100
            Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out fxkl47BF@protonmail.com - 2024-01-23 13:10 +0100
              Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-23 13:50 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2024-01-21 20:00 +0100
          Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-21 20:50 +0100
        Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-21 20:50 +0100
    Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out <hohe72@posteo.de> - 2024-02-05 23:00 +0100
      Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2024-02-05 23:30 +0100

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#266415

On 22/1/24 03:07, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 22/1/24 02:44, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled 
>>>> OpenSource
>>>> browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking 
>>>> about the
>>>> chrome itself.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
>>>>   they were several years ago.
>>>
>>> I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
>>> so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be surprised
>>> if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
>>> beneficial to them.
>>>
>>> I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
>>> differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
>>> some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
>>> than Google).
>>
>> Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium?
>>
>> Cheers
> No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is 
> in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 6,  > in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the
> jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as 
> Tungsten),  and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it 
> sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a 
> sealiner).
> 

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

"
How toxic is seaborgium?

Currently, there are not very many uses of seaborgium. The element's 
radioactive state makes it toxic to organisms and so has no biological 
role.
"

(Maybe, microsoft or google have hijacked (made a hostile takeover of) a 
sealiner, to that they can conduct their operations offshore, to evade 
paying taxes (or employees) under any country's laws...)

> So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser like 
> chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should 
> probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming...
> 
> :)
> 
> ....
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .................
> 

-- 
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#266416

On 22/1/24 03:24, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 22/1/24 03:07, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 22/1/24 02:44, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>>> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled 
>>>>> OpenSource
>>>>> browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking 
>>>>> about the
>>>>> chrome itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
>>>>>   they were several years ago.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
>>>> so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be 
>>>> surprised
>>>> if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
>>>> beneficial to them.
>>>>
>>>> I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
>>>> differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
>>>> some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
>>>> than Google).
>>>
>>> Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>> No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is 
>> in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 
>> 6,  > in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the
>> jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as 
>> Tungsten),  and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it 
>> sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a 
>> sealiner).
>>
> 
> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table
> 
> "
> How toxic is seaborgium?
> 
> Currently, there are not very many uses of seaborgium. The element's 
> radioactive state makes it toxic to organisms and so has no biological 
> role.
> "
> 
> (Maybe, microsoft or google have hijacked (made a hostile takeover of) a 
> sealiner, to that they can conduct their operations offshore, to evade 
> paying taxes (or employees) under any country's laws...)
> 
>> So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser 
>> like chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should 
>> probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming...
>>
>> :)
>>
>> ....
>> Bret Busby
>> Armadale
>> Western Australia
>> (UTC+0800)
>> .................
>>
> 
Here is an interesting thing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#266405

> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the
> chrome itself.
>
> AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
>  they were several years ago.

I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be surprised
if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
beneficial to them.

I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
than Google).


        Stefan

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#266361

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On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 06:36:23PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

[...]

> My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
> data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.

hear, hear.

> chroming is dangerous.

May I steal that phrase?

Cheers
-- 
t

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#266392

On 21/1/24 18:39, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 06:36:23PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
>> data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.
> 
> hear, hear.
> 
>> chroming is dangerous.
> 
> May I steal that phrase?
> 
> Cheers
Yes of course.

Open source is about sharing.

:)

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#266370

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:
> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence
> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter
> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
>
> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Just a remark.
Gene,
many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know that
they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that it is
necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to print then it
loses all ability to fill in the form, because it ends up as a PDF which
is meant to be printed and nothing else.
If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form, then
the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer) export as PDF.
If you have received a form you may open it using Okular. If Okular then
shows:
"This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them, or
use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button "Show
Forms" then all is well.
If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out of
luck.
You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
"Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf printer.
But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to manage "such a
complex task" (it's not complicated).
Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by using a
drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using Okular and
trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error to hit the right
spot.
*Important:*
In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be sent
to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.

Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
Eike
--
Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

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#266393

On 1/21/24 09:04, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:
> On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:
>> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence
>> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter
>> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
>>
>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> 
> Just a remark.
> Gene,
> many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know that
> they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that it is
> necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to print then it
> loses all ability to fill in the form, because it ends up as a PDF which
> is meant to be printed and nothing else.
> If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form, then
> the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer) export as PDF.
> If you have received a form you may open it using Okular. If Okular then
> shows:
> "This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them, or
> use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button "Show
> Forms" then all is well.
> If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out of
> luck.
> You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
> "Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf printer.
> But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to manage "such a
> complex task" (it's not complicated).
> Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by using a
> drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using Okular and
> trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error to hit the right
> spot.
> *Important:*
> In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
> Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be sent
> to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.
> 
> Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
> Eike
> --
> Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
> 
Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace 
after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the 
add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see 
both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.

Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf, in 
order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that exported 
pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if its correct, 
email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be the expected 
response from me.

Sounds a bit complex but if xournal works as indicated its doable from 
my viewpoint.

Thanks again Eike, Take care, stay warm, dry & well please
> 
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266396

> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace after
> installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the add
> annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see both
> "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.

FWIW, the world of "filling PDFs online" is a painful one with lots of
hidden traps.  My understanding is that what you probably want to do is
fill the "holes" of a "PDf form" that were placed there on purpose in
the PDF (it's not just empty space on the page, but the PDF includes
some side-information telling the PDF viewer/editor that this is a hole
that can filled.  For some elements, it can also include a list of
options from which to select).

What is usually described as "annotations" in this context is something
different, more like extra text you can put anywhere you like but which
will appear in a special way because it's labeled as an annotation, more
like what you'd use to add comments about a text you were asked
to review.

When I fill a PDF form, Evince lets me just click on the fields I need
to fill (and hit TAB to move from field to field).  After that, I need
to save the result (and the UI expects me to use a different file name
for that), otherwise it's happily thrown away silently.  Also the
selection of fields (with TAB or clicks) is often fiddly.

I haven't bothered to try other PDF viewers (like Atril or Okulus).


        Stefan

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#266438

On 1/21/24 13:32, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace after
>> installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the add
>> annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see both
>> "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.
> 
> FWIW, the world of "filling PDFs online" is a painful one with lots of
> hidden traps.  My understanding is that what you probably want to do is
> fill the "holes" of a "PDf form" that were placed there on purpose in
> the PDF (it's not just empty space on the page, but the PDF includes
> some side-information telling the PDF viewer/editor that this is a hole
> that can filled.  For some elements, it can also include a list of
> options from which to select).
> 
> What is usually described as "annotations" in this context is something
> different, more like extra text you can put anywhere you like but which
> will appear in a special way because it's labeled as an annotation, more
> like what you'd use to add comments about a text you were asked
> to review.
> 
> When I fill a PDF form, Evince lets me just click on the fields I need
> to fill (and hit TAB to move from field to field).  After that, I need
> to save the result (and the UI expects me to use a different file name
> for that), otherwise it's happily thrown away silently.  Also the
> selection of fields (with TAB or clicks) is often fiddly.
> 
> I haven't bothered to try other PDF viewers (like Atril or Okulus).
> 
> 
>          Stefan
> 
I think I installed 5 or 5, some were already installed, but the only 
one I found that actually worked was fldsed, but it has its own limits.
you click where you want to start typing, brings up the pipe symbol, use 
the keyboard arrow keys to fine tune the location of the |, start 
typing, | expands into a box surrounding what you type.  /Check your 
speeling and look for typu's, you must destructive backspace to correct 
them BEFORE hitting Enter, which makes it permanent.

Anyway, pain in the butt though it was, I finally exported it as a pdf, 
It can't print unless you can remember the lpr syntax, and then reloaded 
it into Okular and printed two copies, one for me and one to mail back 
to Charleston.

Thank you all that tried to help.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program. ;o)>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266515

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, gene heskett wrote:

> I think I installed 5 or 5, some were already installed, but the only
> one I found that actually worked was fldsed, but it has its own limits.

gene where did you find fldsed

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#266517

On 1/23/24 07:07, fxkl47BF@protonmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> I think I installed 5 or 5, some were already installed, but the only
>> one I found that actually worked was fldsed, but it has its own limits.
> 
> gene where did you find fldsed
> 
> .
In synaptic, its in the debian repo's.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#266408

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 15:11:46 -03 gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/21/24 09:04, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:
> > On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:
> >> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some
> >> influence
> >> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form
> >> letter
> >> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
> >> 
> >> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> >> 
> >> Thanks all.
> >> 
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > 
> > Just a remark.
> > Gene,
> > many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know
> > that they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that
> > it is necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to
> > print then it loses all ability to fill in the form, because it
> > ends up as a PDF which is meant to be printed and nothing else.
> > If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form,
> > then the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer)
> > export as PDF. If you have received a form you may open it using
> > Okular. If Okular then shows:
> > "This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them,
> > or use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button
> > "Show Forms" then all is well.
> > If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out
> > of luck.
> > You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
> > "Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf
> > printer. But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to
> > manage "such a complex task" (it's not complicated).
> > Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by
> > using a drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using
> > Okular and trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error
> > to hit the right spot.
> > *Important:*
> > In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
> > Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be
> > sent to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.
> > 
> > Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
> > Eike
> > --
> > Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
> 
> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace
> after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the
> add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see
> both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.
> 
> Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf,
> in order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that
> exported pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if
> its correct, email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be
> the expected response from me.

You can do the annotations and directly print as file to a pdf-printer. 
The resulting file can then be sent to the office. You might have to rename 
the file because it will most certainly have a name like print.pdf which 
is not very informative for storing.
> 
> Sounds a bit complex but if xournal works as indicated its doable from
> my viewpoint.
> 
> Thanks again Eike, Take care, stay warm, dry & well please
Well yes, it's quite warm her in Asunción - about 34°C / 93°F
;-)
All the best
Eike

Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

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#266418

On 1/21/24 13:55, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:
> On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 15:11:46 -03 gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/21/24 09:04, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:
>>> On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:
>>>> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some
>>>> influence
>>>> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form
>>>> letter
>>>> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
>>>
>>> Just a remark.
>>> Gene,
>>> many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know
>>> that they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that
>>> it is necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to
>>> print then it loses all ability to fill in the form, because it
>>> ends up as a PDF which is meant to be printed and nothing else.
>>> If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form,
>>> then the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer)
>>> export as PDF. If you have received a form you may open it using
>>> Okular. If Okular then shows:
>>> "This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them,
>>> or use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button
>>> "Show Forms" then all is well.
>>> If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out
>>> of luck.
>>> You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
>>> "Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf
>>> printer. But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to
>>> manage "such a complex task" (it's not complicated).
>>> Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by
>>> using a drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using
>>> Okular and trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error
>>> to hit the right spot.
>>> *Important:*
>>> In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
>>> Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be
>>> sent to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.
>>>
>>> Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
>>> Eike
>>> --
>>> Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
>>
>> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace
>> after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the
>> add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see
>> both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.
>>
>> Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf,
>> in order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that
>> exported pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if
>> its correct, email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be
>> the expected response from me.
> 
> You can do the annotations and directly print as file to a pdf-printer.
> The resulting file can then be sent to the office. You might have to rename
> the file because it will most certainly have a name like print.pdf which
> is not very informative for storing.
Thanks for the warning.  I'll be on the lookout for that. this thing 
promises to take a while as 3 of the 6 pages are fill in the checkmarks 
or blank area.  The first 3 pages are all "if this, do this" 
instructions, trying to cover all the bases in one swell foop.
>> Thanks again Eike, Take care, stay warm, dry & well please
> Well yes, it's quite warm her in Asunción - about 34°C / 93°F
> ;-)
> All the best
> Eike

And I don't always remember that what I type can hit every piece of 
cat-6 on the planet ;o)> <-big smiley with a white goatee.

> Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
> 
> 
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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On Sun 21 Jan 2024 at 13:11:46 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace
> after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the
> add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see
> both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.

In the past, I would export it.

> Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf,
> in order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that
> exported pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if
> its correct, email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be
> the expected response from me.

I would encrypt it before returning it. I would use the password
that encoded the original PDF, which contained sensistive information.
Obviously you're not in that situation, but are the one who has to
inform the recipient of the password /before/ sending the document.

I would decode their documents with:
  $ pdftk pw-protected.pdf input_pw pass\!word cat output unprotected.pdf
and encode mine with:
  $ pdftk unprotected.pdf cat output pw-protected.pdf user_pw pass\!word

The attached is a laborious method for generating and adding
annotations, long since replaced by either digital signing
or document uploading.

Cheers,
David.

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pdftk form.pdf fill_form data.fdf output form.filled.pdf # fill in
pdftk form.pdf generate_fdf output data.fdf              # read

It is a CMDL way.
It's clumsy, cause form-IDs don't match form labels.
At least it tells you if a form is fund in the pdf.
For the sake of completeness.


On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 00:35:13 -0500
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter
> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
> 
> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

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> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 00:35:13 -0500
> gene heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence
> > over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter
> > PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
> > 
> > Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

LibreOffice Draw will do that, if you really and truly want to.  It's what I use to fill out a form every month, but It's a real PITA.  Easier than filling out the form by hand and driving to the bank, though...

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