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Zoom on Bookworm?

Started by	conover@panix.com (John Conover)
First post	2023-12-19 11:00 +0100
Last post	2023-12-20 00:30 +0100
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  Zoom on Bookworm? conover@panix.com (John Conover) - 2023-12-19 11:00 +0100
    Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-12-19 11:30 +0100
      Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-12-19 11:40 +0100
      Re: Zoom on Bookworm? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-19 11:40 +0100
      Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Jerome BENOIT <sphericaltriangle@rezozer.net> - 2023-12-19 12:10 +0100
        Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-12-19 12:30 +0100
        Re: Zoom on Bookworm? David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2023-12-19 13:20 +0100
      Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 00:40 +0100
        Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-12-20 05:00 +0100
          Re: Zoom on Bookworm? David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> - 2023-12-20 05:30 +0100
    Re: Zoom on Bookworm? err404@free.fr - 2023-12-19 18:40 +0100
      Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2023-12-19 22:40 +0100
        Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2023-12-19 22:40 +0100
    Re: Zoom on Bookworm? Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2023-12-20 00:30 +0100

#264895 — Zoom on Bookworm?

From	conover@panix.com (John Conover)
Date	2023-12-19 11:00 +0100
Subject	Zoom on Bookworm?
Message-ID	<HMF3j-eBL0-5@gated-at.bofh.it>

Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?

    Thanks,

    John
    
-- 

John Conover, conover@panix.com, http://www.johncon.com/

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#264896

From	Bret Busby <bret@busby.net>
Date	2023-12-19 11:30 +0100
Message-ID	<HMFwl-eCgo-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264895

On 19/12/23 17:53, John Conover wrote:
> Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
> 
>      Thanks,
> 
>      John
>      

Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting 
personal information from, users, causing

"The Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is calling on free and open 
source software (FOSS) contributors to stop using Zoom video conferencing"

"Back in March, Zoom quietly changed its fine print to include a clause 
in section 10.4 that assigned the video-chat biz perpetual, royalty-free 
rights to use "customer content" "

?

...

Recommendation had been made, for people to switch to jitsi.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#264897

From	Bret Busby <bret@busby.net>
Date	2023-12-19 11:40 +0100
Message-ID	<HMFG1-eCjh-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264896

On 19/12/23 18:28, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 19/12/23 17:53, John Conover wrote:
>> Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>
>>      John
> 
> Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting 
> personal information from, users, causing
> 
> "The Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is calling on free and open 
> source software (FOSS) contributors to stop using Zoom video conferencing"
> 
> "Back in March, Zoom quietly changed its fine print to include a clause 
> in section 10.4 that assigned the video-chat biz perpetual, royalty-free 
> rights to use "customer content" "
> 
> ?
> 
> ...
> 
> Recommendation had been made, for people to switch to jitsi.
> 
" "Throughout the pandemic and its widespread Zoom adoption, we warned 
that relying on proprietary, for-profit controlled technology as 
essential infrastructure is dangerous," the organization wrote on 
Tuesday. "Last week, Zoom demonstrated exactly why everyone must stop 
using their services without any further delay." "

- Same report...

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#264898

From	<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date	2023-12-19 11:40 +0100
Message-ID	<HMFG1-eCjh-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264896

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On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 06:28:48PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

[...]

> Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting
> personal information from, users, causing

Thanks for pointing that out. It can't be overstated.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#264899

From	Jerome BENOIT <sphericaltriangle@rezozer.net>
Date	2023-12-19 12:10 +0100
Message-ID	<HMG93-eCNE-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264896

Hi,

can we efficiently jail zoom ?

Jerome

On 19/12/2023 11:28, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 19/12/23 17:53, John Conover wrote:
>> Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>
>>      John
> 
> Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting personal information from, users, causing
> 
> "The Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is calling on free and open source software (FOSS) contributors to stop using Zoom video conferencing"
> 
> "Back in March, Zoom quietly changed its fine print to include a clause in section 10.4 that assigned the video-chat biz perpetual, royalty-free rights to use "customer content" "
> 
> ?
> 
> ...
> 
> Recommendation had been made, for people to switch to jitsi.
> 
> ....
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .................
>

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#264900

From	Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date	2023-12-19 12:30 +0100
Message-ID	<HMGsp-eCUb-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264899

Jerome BENOIT wrote: 
> can we efficiently jail zoom ?

It needs access to a microphone, camera, and the network. I
suppose you could call that a jail, but for programs, that's
pretty much everything except filesystems and root privileges.

-dsr-

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#264901

From	David <bouncingcats@gmail.com>
Date	2023-12-19 13:20 +0100
Message-ID	<HMHeO-eDqG-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264899

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 at 11:04, Jerome BENOIT
<sphericaltriangle@rezozer.net> wrote:

> can we efficiently jail zoom ?

Hi, my approach is to do that on my laptop by using grub to boot into various
different Debian installations.

Multiboot is un-fashionable, but I find it useful and versatile. Hard
drives are plenty
big enough to allow multiple operating systems installations.

The 931GB spinning hard drive has 4 primary partitions, sizes are approximate:
  Z = 12GB boot
  X = 12GB standalone minimal Debian installation with /boot symlinked
to /mnt/Z/X
  Y = 12GB standalone minimal Debian installation with /boot symlinked
to /mnt/Z/Y
  LUKS2 = 895GB

So basically there is unencrypted boot, and the majority of the drive
is allocated to the
LUKS2 encrypted partition. Plus there are a couple of minimal Debian
installations,
one of which has Zoom installed.

The LUKS2 partition contains LVM volumes
  S = 12GB swap
  A, B, C, D, E = 5x 12GB Debian installations with /boot symlinked to
/mnt/Z/{ABCDE}
  T = 149G data
  U = 497G data

I have installed Zoom on partition Y, which does not contain
cryptsetup tools, so
the LUKS2 partition cannot be opened, which hides all my sensitive data from
Zoom.

When I want to do real work, I boot one of my encrypted A,B,C,D,E installations
which can all access the common encrypted data in the T and U volumes.

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#264935

From	Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
Date	2023-12-20 00:40 +0100
Message-ID	<HMRQR-eJK1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264896

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:29 AM Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> wrote:
>
> On 19/12/23 17:53, John Conover wrote:
> > Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
> >
> Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting
> personal information from, users, causing
>
> "The Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is calling on free and open
> source software (FOSS) contributors to stop using Zoom video conferencing"
>
> "Back in March, Zoom quietly changed its fine print to include a clause
> in section 10.4 that assigned the video-chat biz perpetual, royalty-free
> rights to use "customer content" "

++

Use Jitsi, if possible. You can even run your own Jitsi server, if
desired. And it is open source. <https://jitsi.org/>.

Jeff

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#264942

From	Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com>
Date	2023-12-20 05:00 +0100
Message-ID	<HMVUu-eM86-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264935

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 18:30:55 -0500
Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

> Use Jitsi, if possible. You can even run your own Jitsi server, if
> desired. And it is open source. <https://jitsi.org/>.

You might also look at Jami, which has the virtue of being in the
Debian repos.

apt show jami-daemon

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

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https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#264944

From	David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au>
Date	2023-12-20 05:30 +0100
Message-ID	<HMWnv-eMwt-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264942

On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 20:57 -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 18:30:55 -0500
> Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Use Jitsi, if possible. You can even run your own Jitsi server, if
> > desired. And it is open source. <https://jitsi.org/>.
> 
> You might also look at Jami, which has the virtue of being in the
> Debian repos.
> 
> apt show jami-daemon

Jami is excellent!
Cheers!

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#264919

From	err404@free.fr
Date	2023-12-19 18:40 +0100
Message-ID	<HMMeu-eGiJ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264895

On 12/19/23 10:53, John Conover wrote:
> Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
> 
>      Thanks,
> 
>      John
>      
you can use zoom.us in your web browser
there is less options, but it work well.

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#264932

From	Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
Date	2023-12-19 22:40 +0100
Message-ID	<HMPYJ-eIAP-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264919

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On 12/19/23 10:53, John Conover wrote:
> > Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
> >
> >      Thanks,
> >
> >      John
>

Yes.

I have version 5.17.0 of the desktop client running on my sid/trixie box at
this very moment.


-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
IT Support / Client Support
Abilene Christian University
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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#264933

From	Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
Date	2023-12-19 22:40 +0100
Message-ID	<HMPYK-eIAP-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264932

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On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:30 PM Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:

>
>
> On 12/19/23 10:53, John Conover wrote:
>> > Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?
>> >
>> >      Thanks,
>> >
>> >      John
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> I have version 5.17.0 of the desktop client running on my sid/trixie box
> at this very moment.
>
> with Pipewire running.

>
> --
> Kent West                    <")))><
> IT Support / Client Support
> Abilene Christian University
> Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
>


-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
IT Support / Client Support
Abilene Christian University
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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#264934

From	Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net>
Date	2023-12-20 00:30 +0100
Message-ID	<HMRHc-eJGT-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#264895

On 12/19/23 02:53, John Conover wrote:
> Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire?

Zoom works fine on Bookworm using mainstream Logitech camera/microphone. It coexists with pipewire on the system where I use it, but does not show that as a dependency.

Installing it will drag in its dependencies, if they are not installed. Dpkg --info for the current Debian install file shows:

====
  new Debian package, version 2.0.
  size 181054970 bytes: control archive=34820 bytes.
     1329 bytes,    18 lines      control
   122532 bytes,  1403 lines      md5sums
      593 bytes,    18 lines   *  postinst             #!/bin/bash
      226 bytes,    11 lines   *  postrm               #!/bin/bash
  Package: zoom
  Version: 5.17.0.1682
  License: see https://www.zoom.us/
  Vendor: Zoom Video Communications, Inc.
  Architecture: amd64
  Maintainer: Zoom Linux Team <https://support.zoom.us>
  Installed-Size: 654828
  Depends: libglib2.0-0, libxcb-keysyms1, libxcb-xinerama0, libdbus-1-3, libxcb-shape0, libxcb-shm0, libxcb-xfixes0, libxcb-randr0, libxcb-image0, libfontconfig1, libxi6, libsm6, libxrender1, libpulse0, libxcomposite1, libxslt1.1, libsqlite3-0, libxcb-xtest0, libxtst6, ibus, libxkbcommon-x11-0, desktop-file-utils, libgbm1, libdrm2, libxcb-cursor0, libxcb-icccm4, libfreetype6 (>= 2.6), libgbm1 (>= 17.1.0~rc2)
  Recommends: libegl1-mesa, libgl1-mesa-glx
  Section: default
  Priority: optional
  Homepage: https://www.zoom.us
  Description: Zoom Cloud Meetings
   Zoom brings people together to connect and get more done in a frictionless, secure video environment. Our easy, reliable, and innovative video-first solutions provide video meetings and chat, with additional options for webinars and phone service.
   .
   Zoom is the leading unified communications platform and helps individuals, schools, healthcare professionals and enterprises stay connected. Visit blog.zoom.us and follow @zoom_us.
   .
   By installing this app, you agree to our Terms of Service (https://zoom.us/terms) and Privacy Statement (https://zoom.us/privacy).
====

As with any product, it always is a wise to consider the terms of use and other legal documentation and exercise discretion.

If you decide to use it, I use (as root)

   apt install zoom_amd64.deb

It installs under /opt except for a symbolic link /usr/bin/zoom -> /opt/zoom/ZoomLauncher

Regards,
Tom Dial

> 
>      Thanks,
> 
>      John
>

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