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| Started by | David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-12-14 23:20 +0100 |
| Last post | 2023-12-17 04:10 +0100 |
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Debian 12.4.0 David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> - 2023-12-14 23:20 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-14 23:30 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-12-15 00:20 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 03:10 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-15 03:50 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-12-17 06:20 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-15 03:50 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-15 14:00 +0100
Re: Debian 12.4.0 Kevin Price <kp@osnanet.de> - 2023-12-17 01:50 +0100
Problems with password entry [WAS Re: Debian 12.4.0] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-17 04:10 +0100
| From | David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-14 23:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Debian 12.4.0 |
| Message-ID | <HL2dH-dCbR-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password that I wrote down to be sure. Since then I have never been able to log in. When I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted. I really don't want to have to delete the program and download it again. I guess Ubuntu might be better. Dave Sawyer
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-14 23:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HL2no-dCfl-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264756 |
On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 05:01:19PM -0500, David Sawyer wrote: > This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password that > I wrote down to be sure. Since then I have never been able to log in. When > I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted. I really don't > want to have to delete the program and download it again. I guess Ubuntu > might be better. > Dave Sawyer Hi David, Did you set up a root password as well? Did you confuse numbers or letters do you think - 1 and l or 0 and O? Sounds stupid: did you accidentally hit caps lock and put your password in originally in all capitals? [Yes - most of us have done that sort of thing once :) ] There are ways to get in using rescue mode, potentially, or by editing the line that comes up when the initial splash screen comes up, but eliminate the obvious. To use Ubuntu, you'd need to overwrite what you have: at the very worst, if you've no valuable data on the machine yet, you could reinstall Debian. Good luck with it - come back to the list once you've eliminated the most obvious problems. With every good wish, as ever, Andy (amacater@debian.org)
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-15 00:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HL39L-dCK7-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264756 |
On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500 David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote: > This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password > that I wrote down to be sure. Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption? (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.) If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly? -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-15 03:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HL5Oi-dEjO-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264762 |
On 12/14/23, Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500 > David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password >> that I wrote down to be sure. > > Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption? > > (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both > times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.) > > If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly? Is this via GUI interface or via a console/terminal? Does the system show dots or asterisks that make it so much easier to tell how many characters were typed in? I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going. I thought I poked the key quick two days ago.. and saw six of the same letter staring back. SIX of them in a split second. Regressing to beginner keyboarding by using ONE FINGER to hen peck passwords in is the only way I can ever successfully log in with consoles. Why it's not nearly as bad for the GUI, I don't know. I use slick-greeter there. I've always a-sumed it's about what stage of the operating system is loaded at the time of keyboard use. The "passwd" command exists out there, but I'm pretty sure that root already needs its password set first. It seems like someone here on Debian-User went through giving root a password afterward, but I don't remember any details. Am saying that because it feels like that might be part of the situation in this thread. DISCLAIMER: I don't know how safe the following is so warnings from others are welcome. A creative search about resetting root's unknown password found this: https://phoenixnap.com/kb/how-to-change-root-password-linux It's down where it says, "Resetting a Root Password in Ubuntu." That's 2018 so it's possible something has changed to make it harder to do that. It talks about going into recovery mode, dropping out to shell, remounting as read/write. It's pretty hefty. Reminds me of a long time ago where I said something about how easy access can be if the wrong person simply picks up our computer hardware and takes the whole thing home with them........... Back on track, I just tested passwd on a random extra user. I gave my user, snowball, the same password as before. The command was processed without it complaining that a password was reused. I got the feeling that was a nice extra tidbit to know in this instance. For others, new passwords can be forced as needed. Just need to track down the tips on how to set that up. Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
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| From | John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-15 03:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HL6qZ-dEvW-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264766 |
Cindy Sue Causey writes: > I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my > keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going. man kbdrate -- John Hasler john@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-12-17 06:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HLRJg-e7KE-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264766 |
On Thu 14 Dec 2023 at 21:07:25 (-0500), Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 12/14/23, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500 David Sawyer wrote: > > > >> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password > >> that I wrote down to be sure. > > > > Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption? > > > > (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both > > times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.) > > > > If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly? > > > Is this via GUI interface or via a console/terminal? > > Does the system show dots or asterisks that make it so much easier to > tell how many characters were typed in? > > I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my > keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going. > I thought I poked the key quick two days ago.. and saw six of the same > letter staring back. SIX of them in a split second. Haven't we two visited this problem before? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg00953.html I don't need to lower kbdrate, and I don't remember when initramfs became so ubiquitous, which means I've never tested a combination of cron and kbdrate. It might help, for example, in unlocking an encrypted root filesystem, but I only encrypt swap and /home myself. > Back on track, I just tested passwd on a random extra user. I gave my > user, snowball, the same password as before. The command was processed > without it complaining that a password was reused. I got the feeling > that was a nice extra tidbit to know in this instance. If you mean you gave two users the same password, that shouldn't matter at all. I don't see how the system would remember the first while you were creating the second password. (Typically, salting ensures that two identical passwords produce different encryptions.) But more feedback is needed from the OP. Cheers, David.
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-15 03:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HL6qZ-dEvW-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264762 |
On 12/14/23 18:13, Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500 > David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password >> that I wrote down to be sure. > > Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption? > > (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both > times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.) > > If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly? > Another possibility is contaminated .XAuthority or .xsession files in the users directory, if other access can be obtained, and then su to that account, nuke the lot of them. It looks like your pw is bad, but its actually x that can't start and it falls back to the login, making one think the pw is bad. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-15 14:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HLfXj-dKMn-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264756 |
On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500 David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote: > I guess Ubuntu might be better. Why might Ubuntu be better? -- Joe
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| From | Kevin Price <kp@osnanet.de> |
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| Date | 2023-12-17 01:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HLNvX-e56H-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264756 |
Am 14.12.23 um 23:01 schrieb David Sawyer: > I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted. Keyboard layout? We've seen that with the kernel that comes with 12.4.0. -- Kevin Price
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-17 04:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Problems with password entry [WAS Re: Debian 12.4.0] |
| Message-ID | <HLPHr-e6wx-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #264839 |
On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 01:39:34AM +0100, Kevin Price wrote: > Am 14.12.23 um 23:01 schrieb David Sawyer: > > I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted. > > Keyboard layout? We've seen that with the kernel that comes with 12.4.0. > -- Hi Kevin, There is no obvious reason why there should be any substantive change between the non-buggy kernel in 12.2 (6.1.0-13), the buggy kernel with the potential file corruption issue that led to 12.4 (6.1.0-14), and the kernel that fixed this file corruption issue that had been identified (6.1.0-15). Immediately afer 6.1.0-15 had been issued, the upstream stable kernel maintainers noted a separate kernel regression to do with certain wireless chip sets which could also cause reboot/lock up issues. That led to an upstream stable kernel minor point release as 6.1.67. That is the issue that led to bug reports from you. *That* kernel fix, which went through a full test cycle in Debian, is in Debian kernel version 6.1.0-16 wiich is the current kernel in 12.4 (available from the stable-updates repository). [See also the Debian wiki at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList for the Bookworm /etc/apt/sources.list entries] Any possible keyboard issues are entirely orthogonal to any recent kernel issues, I think. For an installed value of one and as a counter-example where It Works For Me (TM), I've been through each of the above kernels, including the buggy one, with no change in keyboard layout. > Kevin Price > With every good wish, as ever, Andy Cater
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