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  Debian 12.4.0 David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> - 2023-12-14 23:20 +0100
    Re: Debian 12.4.0 "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-14 23:30 +0100
    Re: Debian 12.4.0 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-12-15 00:20 +0100
      Re: Debian 12.4.0 Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 03:10 +0100
        Re: Debian 12.4.0 John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-15 03:50 +0100
        Re: Debian 12.4.0 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-12-17 06:20 +0100
      Re: Debian 12.4.0 gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-15 03:50 +0100
    Re: Debian 12.4.0 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-15 14:00 +0100
    Re: Debian 12.4.0 Kevin Price <kp@osnanet.de> - 2023-12-17 01:50 +0100
      Problems with password entry [WAS Re: Debian 12.4.0] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-17 04:10 +0100

#264756 — Debian 12.4.0

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This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password that
I wrote down to be sure. Since then I have never been able to log in. When
I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted. I really don't
want to have to delete the program and download it again. I guess Ubuntu
might be better.
Dave Sawyer

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#264758

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 05:01:19PM -0500, David Sawyer wrote:
> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password that
> I wrote down to be sure. Since then I have never been able to log in. When
> I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted. I really don't
> want to have to delete the program and download it again. I guess Ubuntu
> might be better.
> Dave Sawyer

Hi David,

Did you set up a root password as well?

Did you confuse numbers or letters do you think - 1 and l or 0 and O?

Sounds stupid: did you accidentally hit caps lock and put your password
in originally in all capitals? 
[Yes - most of us have done that sort of thing once :) ]

There are ways to get in using rescue mode, potentially, or by editing
the line that comes up when the initial splash screen comes up, but
eliminate the obvious.

To use Ubuntu, you'd need to overwrite what you have: at the very worst,
if you've no valuable data on the machine yet, you could reinstall Debian.

Good luck with it - come back to the list once you've eliminated the
most obvious problems.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy
(amacater@debian.org)

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#264762

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500
David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote:

> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password
> that I wrote down to be sure.

Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption?

(This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both
times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.)

If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly?

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

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#264766

On 12/14/23, Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500
> David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password
>> that I wrote down to be sure.
>
> Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption?
>
> (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both
> times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.)
>
> If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly?


Is this via GUI interface or via a console/terminal?

Does the system show dots or asterisks that make it so much easier to
tell how many characters were typed in?

I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my
keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going.
I thought I poked the key quick two days ago.. and saw six of the same
letter staring back. SIX of them in a split second.

Regressing to beginner keyboarding by using ONE FINGER to hen peck
passwords in is the only way I can ever successfully log in with
consoles. Why it's not nearly as bad for the GUI, I don't know. I use
slick-greeter there. I've always a-sumed it's about what stage of the
operating system is loaded at the time of keyboard use.

The "passwd" command exists out there, but I'm pretty sure that root
already needs its password set first. It seems like someone here on
Debian-User went through giving root a password afterward, but I don't
remember any details. Am saying that because it feels like that might
be part of the situation in this thread.

DISCLAIMER: I don't know how safe the following is so warnings from
others are welcome. A creative search about resetting root's unknown
password found this:

https://phoenixnap.com/kb/how-to-change-root-password-linux

It's down where it says, "Resetting a Root Password in Ubuntu." That's
2018 so it's possible something has changed to make it harder to do
that.

It talks about going into recovery mode, dropping out to shell,
remounting as read/write. It's pretty hefty. Reminds me of a long time
ago where I said something about how easy access can be if the wrong
person simply picks up our computer hardware and takes the whole thing
home with them...........

Back on track, I just tested passwd on a random extra user. I gave my
user, snowball, the same password as before. The command was processed
without it complaining that a password was reused. I got the feeling
that was a nice extra tidbit to know in this instance. For others, new
passwords can be forced as needed. Just need to track down the tips on
how to set that up.

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

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#264768

 Cindy Sue Causey writes:
> I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my
> keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going.

man kbdrate
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#264848

On Thu 14 Dec 2023 at 21:07:25 (-0500), Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 12/14/23, Charles Curley wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500 David Sawyer wrote:
> >
> >> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password
> >> that I wrote down to be sure.
> >
> > Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption?
> >
> > (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both
> > times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.)
> >
> > If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly?
> 
> 
> Is this via GUI interface or via a console/terminal?
> 
> Does the system show dots or asterisks that make it so much easier to
> tell how many characters were typed in?
> 
> I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my
> keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going.
> I thought I poked the key quick two days ago.. and saw six of the same
> letter staring back. SIX of them in a split second.

Haven't we two visited this problem before?

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg00953.html

I don't need to lower kbdrate, and I don't remember when initramfs
became so ubiquitous, which means I've never tested a combination
of cron and kbdrate. It might help, for example, in unlocking an
encrypted root filesystem, but I only encrypt swap and /home myself.

> Back on track, I just tested passwd on a random extra user. I gave my
> user, snowball, the same password as before. The command was processed
> without it complaining that a password was reused. I got the feeling
> that was a nice extra tidbit to know in this instance.

If you mean you gave two users the same password, that shouldn't
matter at all. I don't see how the system would remember the first
while you were creating the second password. (Typically, salting
ensures that two identical passwords produce different encryptions.)

But more feedback is needed from the OP.

Cheers,
David.

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#264769

On 12/14/23 18:13, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500
> David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> This may seem to be a simple problem. I set up Debian with a password
>> that I wrote down to be sure.
> 
> Password for what? Your user account? A root password? Disk encryption?
> 
> (This is why, when setting up passwords, I will type them in [both
> times, if necessary] in clear test when possible.)
> 
> If the former, did you type your user account name incorrectly?
> 
Another possibility is contaminated .XAuthority  or .xsession files in 
the users directory, if other access can be obtained, and then su to 
that account, nuke the lot of them. It looks like your pw is bad, but 
its actually x that can't start and it falls back to the login, making 
one think the pw is bad.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#264778

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:01:19 -0500
David Sawyer <drsawyer@gmail.com> wrote:

>  I guess Ubuntu might be better.

Why might Ubuntu be better?

-- 
Joe

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#264839

Am 14.12.23 um 23:01 schrieb David Sawyer:
> I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted.

Keyboard layout? We've seen that with the kernel that comes with 12.4.0.
-- 
Kevin Price

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#264843 — Problems with password entry [WAS Re: Debian 12.4.0]

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 01:39:34AM +0100, Kevin Price wrote:
> Am 14.12.23 um 23:01 schrieb David Sawyer:
> > I use the password that I wrote down it is not accepted.
> 
> Keyboard layout? We've seen that with the kernel that comes with 12.4.0.
> -- 

Hi Kevin,

There is no obvious reason why there should be any substantive change between
the non-buggy kernel in 12.2 (6.1.0-13), the buggy kernel with the potential
file corruption issue that led to 12.4 (6.1.0-14), and the kernel that fixed
this file corruption issue that had been identified (6.1.0-15).

Immediately afer 6.1.0-15 had been issued, the upstream stable kernel
maintainers noted a separate kernel regression to do with certain wireless
chip sets which could also cause reboot/lock up issues. That led to an
upstream stable kernel minor point release as 6.1.67.

That is the issue that led to bug reports from you. 

*That* kernel fix, which went through a full test cycle in Debian, is in
Debian kernel version 6.1.0-16 wiich is the current kernel in 12.4
(available from the stable-updates repository).

[See also the Debian wiki at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList for the
Bookworm /etc/apt/sources.list entries]

Any possible keyboard issues are entirely orthogonal to any recent kernel
issues, I think.

For an installed value of one and as a counter-example where It Works
For Me (TM), I've been through each of the above kernels, including
the buggy one, with no change in keyboard layout.

> Kevin Price
>

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater 

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