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  Hardware TOTP on Linux Andre Rodier <andre@rodier.me> - 2023-12-06 09:00 +0100
    Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2023-12-08 14:30 +0100
      Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-08 16:30 +0100
        Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2023-12-08 18:40 +0100
          Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-08 19:20 +0100
            Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-08 19:40 +0100
            Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2023-12-08 22:10 +0100
              Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-08 23:50 +0100
      Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-12-08 22:50 +0100
    Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 01:20 +0100
      Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux Andre Rodier <andre@rodier.me> - 2023-12-09 11:10 +0100

#264318 — Hardware TOTP on Linux

Hello,

First, if this post is off-topic, feel free to give me other mailing lists.

I am looking for a device, like a small phone, supporting Debian. I just 
need the following features:

- A small LCD screen, 4 inches max, to display letters and numbers, i.e. 
can be black and white. Touch screen is not needed.
- A num pad, with about two or three more keys.
- A small camera, to scan QR codes.
- An internal clock, with a DCF77 or similar device a nice plus.

I basically want to implement a hardware TOTP device, as none of them 
are satisfactory to me.

Some looks nice, like ReinerSCTs, but the software is not open source, 
and the time sync and updates are depending of the manufacturer site.

If you also know a small phone supporting Debian, it could be fine as 
well. **I don't need phone functions like, bluetooth, wifi, etc.**

If you know any ready to use kit, like raspberry pi or similar, with 
keypad or touchscreen and camera, it would be fine as well. I could 
accommodate with a wifi connection and implement an NTP client as well.

Thanks for your insights.

Kind regards,
André Rodier

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#264420

On 06/12/2023 07:45, Andre Rodier wrote:
> If you also know a small phone supporting Debian, it could be fine as
> well. **I don't need phone functions like, bluetooth, wifi, etc.**

Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development
Linux phone. Operating system you want is Mobian, which is Debian
(original Debian repos) + Linux kernel which works on this device and
phone GUI stuff.


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With kindest regards, Piotr.

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#264428

Piotr writes:
> Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development
> Linux phone.

No support when it doesn't, though.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#264435

On 08/12/2023 15:20, John Hasler wrote:
> Piotr writes:
>> Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development
>> Linux phone.
>
> No support when it doesn't, though.

Why you say so? What doesn't? It worked for me quite well, as a device
in early development. I really liked it. I passed it to my even more
enthusiastic friend who like to tinker.

Their website [1] states:
"Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More
specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the
hands of users with extensive Linux experience."

[1]
https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#264437

Piotr writes:
> Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development
> Linux phone.

I wrote:
> No support when it doesn't, though.

piorunz:
> Why you say so? What doesn't?

I was never able to get it to complete a phone call.  Attempts produced
inconsistent results.  Some results of searches indicated that the card
might need to be activated on another phone (I didn't have one) but a
hardware problem seems more likely.  Inquiries on the forums produced no
results.  I successfully installed Mobian but that did not help.  Too
bad: it does everything I want except make phone calls.

> Their website [1] states: "Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at
> early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find
> their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience."

I have extensive Linux experience.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#264438

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On 12/8/23 13:13, John Hasler wrote:
Too
> bad: it does everything I want except make phone calls.
>

Phones now a days are not expected nor intended to make phone calls


> -- 

It's not easy to be me

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#264444

On 08/12/2023 18:13, John Hasler wrote:

> I wrote:
>> No support when it doesn't, though.

Okay.

> I was never able to get it to complete a phone call.  Attempts produced
> inconsistent results.  Some results of searches indicated that the card
> might need to be activated on another phone (I didn't have one) but a
> hardware problem seems more likely.  Inquiries on the forums produced no
> results.  I successfully installed Mobian but that did not help.  Too
> bad: it does everything I want except make phone calls.

Sad to hear. My copy worked, phone calls were great. You could have
contacted them to get a replacement, 100% faulty phone calls means
Qualcomm modem was faulty. But I assume you contacted them and were
unhappy with the result, hence your negative opinion on provided
customer support, or lack thereof.

 From my experience, I felt that the only thing it needed was more
polished software and GUI experience, like in Android phones. Mobian
apps were slow and clunky, crashed sometimes and were misaligned, but
hardware itself, in my sample, worked as intended. Maybe except for rare
random GSM modem hangs, which required reboot to work again. Overall, I
was happy with it because my expectations were adequate.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#264453

Piotr writes:
> You could have contacted them to get a replacement, 100% faulty phone
> calls means Qualcomm modem was faulty. But I assume you contacted them
> and were unhappy with the result, hence your negative opinion on
> provided customer support, or lack thereof.

They were willing to sell me a replacement circuit board for most of the
price of the phone.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#264446

piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 06/12/2023 07:45, Andre Rodier wrote:
> > If you also know a small phone supporting Debian, it could be fine
> > as well. **I don't need phone functions like, bluetooth, wifi,
> > etc.**  
> 
> Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development
> Linux phone. Operating system you want is Mobian, which is Debian
> (original Debian repos) + Linux kernel which works on this device and
> phone GUI stuff.

Maybe even a Pine Time Dev Kit ticks the box? Apart from the Debian
requirement :P

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#264462

On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 7:36 AM Andre Rodier <andre@rodier.me> wrote:
>
> First, if this post is off-topic, feel free to give me other mailing lists.

The eevblog may be another place to ask. But be warned, the folks on
the eevblog can get really deep into the weeds on subjects like this.
If you are not careful, they might provide you with circuit designs
and have you build your own hardware.

Also see <https://www.eevblog.com/> and
<https://www.google.com/search?q=totp+hardware+site:eevblog.com>.

Jeff

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#264472

On Fri, 2023-12-08 at 19:11 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 7:36 AM Andre Rodier <andre@rodier.me> wrote:
> > 
> > First, if this post is off-topic, feel free to give me other
> > mailing lists.
> 
> The eevblog may be another place to ask. But be warned, the folks on
> the eevblog can get really deep into the weeds on subjects like this.
> If you are not careful, they might provide you with circuit designs
> and have you build your own hardware.
> 
> Also see <https://www.eevblog.com/> and
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=totp+hardware+site:eevblog.com>.
> 
> Jeff

Thanks, Jeff. If circuit design is the solution, why not ? It would be
fun.

Thanks again,
André

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