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Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

Started byTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
First post2023-12-02 20:40 +0100
Last post2023-12-03 21:20 +0100
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  Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 20:40 +0100
    Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 22:00 +0100
      Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-12-02 22:30 +0100
        Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 00:10 +0100
    Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2023-12-03 00:20 +0100
      Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-12-03 03:10 +0100
        Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 12:50 +0100
      Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 12:40 +0100
        Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2023-12-03 13:10 +0100
          Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-12-03 19:50 +0100
            Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-12-05 02:00 +0100
              Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-12-05 09:20 +0100
              Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2023-12-05 14:50 +0100
          Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative? Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2023-12-03 21:20 +0100

#264116 — Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-02 20:40 +0100
SubjectPrint flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?
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I’ve had a print flaking problem with my old HP laser which has a fairly
new toner cartridge. I have a set of brand new Office Depot labels.

I intend to try a “fixative” on them to see if that will help.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

Happy Christmas!

-Tom

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#264118

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-02 22:00 +0100
Message-ID<HGFfH-aDTc-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264116
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 2:18 PM Donald Mac Dougall <dmacdoug@usc.edu> wrote:
> My experience many years ago with HP laser printers was that if the print flaked off
> it was because the fuser roller wasn't hot enough to fuse the toner to the paper.

Yes, I've investigated that a bit. I had the same trouble with my
labels at a local UPS
store. The owner insisted his printers are in top shape. As I said,
these are fresh labels
and I don't have any trouble with printing on normal paper. I'll try a
fixative for now.

If I do need a new printer, I want another B&W laser, double
sided-printing, copying,
and scanning. Multiple paper trays for two sizes of paper would be nice.
I have had great luck with HP over the years, but  I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks, Donald.

-Tom

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#264119

FromDan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date2023-12-02 22:30 +0100
Message-ID<HGFIJ-aEiu-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264118
Tom Browder wrote: 
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 2:18 PM Donald Mac Dougall <dmacdoug@usc.edu> wrote:
> If I do need a new printer, I want another B&W laser, double
> sided-printing, copying,
> and scanning. Multiple paper trays for two sizes of paper would be nice.
> I have had great luck with HP over the years, but  I'm open to suggestions.


Brother has all those features, plus BRScript/3 and ethernet. I
buy them for work where they tend to last about 8-10 years of high-volume work.

Extra paper trays are expensive, but often compatible across 2
generations; consider EBay or Craigslist for more.

Recommended.

-dsr-

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#264125

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-03 00:10 +0100
Message-ID<HGHhv-aFjt-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264119
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 3:03 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> Brother has all those features, plus BRScript/3 and ethernet. I
> buy them for work where they tend to last about 8-10 years of high-volume work.

Thanks, Dan. I have owned a Brother between two of my HPs.

I'll keep an eye out for one.

Blessings to all.

-Tom

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#264126

FromGareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm>
Date2023-12-03 00:20 +0100
Message-ID<HGHrb-aFmU-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264116

> On 2 Dec 2023, at 19:37, Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve had a print flaking problem with my old HP laser which has a fairly new toner cartridge. I have a set of brand new Office Depot labels.
> 
> I intend to try a “fixative” on them to see if that will help.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Happy Christmas!
> 
> -Tom
> 
> 

Hi Tom,

Are your labels "laser" labels?  

Gareth

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#264127

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2023-12-03 03:10 +0100
Message-ID<HGK5H-aGXE-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264126
On 12/2/23 15:16, Gareth Evans wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 2 Dec 2023, at 19:37, Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve had a print flaking problem with my old HP laser which has a fairly new toner cartridge. I have a set of brand new Office Depot labels.
>>
>> I intend to try a “fixative” on them to see if that will help.
>>
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Happy Christmas!
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>>
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> Are your labels "laser" labels?


+1


I would not put anything through a laser printer unless it is 
specifically rated for laser printers.  Applying fixative to printer 
labels before printing sounds like a good way to damage your equipment. 
If anything, apply the fixative after printing.


David

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#264149

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-03 12:50 +0100
Message-ID<HGT8Z-aMk7-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264127
On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 2:01 AM David Christensen
<dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
> I would not put anything through a laser printer unless it is
> specifically rated for laser printers.  Applying fixative to printer
> labels before printing sounds like a good way to damage your equipment.
> If anything, apply the fixative after printing.

Of course.

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#264147

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-03 12:40 +0100
Message-ID<HGSZj-aMgQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264126
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:17 PM Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Are your labels "laser" labels?

Yes, DUAL INKJET and LASER

-Tom

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#264150

FromGareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm>
Date2023-12-03 13:10 +0100
Message-ID<HGTsm-aMFH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264147

> On 3 Dec 2023, at 11:39, Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:17 PM Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Are your labels "laser" labels?
> 
> Yes, DUAL INKJET and LASER

OK.  I don't have much experience of label printing, but I've never had a problem with laser-designated labels.  

I would probably try a different brand.  I wouldn't imagine it's a hardware issue if the toner fuses properly to paper.

What's the printer model and type of toner in use?

Thanks
Gareth

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#264153

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2023-12-03 19:50 +0100
Message-ID<HGZHr-aQjt-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264150
On 12/3/23 04:05, Gareth Evans wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2023, at 11:39, Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:17 PM Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> Are your labels "laser" labels?
>>
>> Yes, DUAL INKJET and LASER
> 
> OK.  I don't have much experience of label printing, but I've never had a problem with laser-designated labels.
> 
> I would probably try a different brand.  I wouldn't imagine it's a hardware issue if the toner fuses properly to paper.
> 
> What's the printer model and type of toner in use?
> 
> Thanks
> Gareth


+1


Please confirm printer, toner cartridge, and labels are all HP.  If so, 
I would contact HP.


David

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#264261

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-05 02:00 +0100
Message-ID<HHrX3-bdyu-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 19:36 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
wrote:
...

> Please confirm printer, toner cartridge, and labels are all HP.  If so,
> I would contact HP.


HP printer and toner, Office Depot labels.

I bought so hair spray and will try that.

-Tom

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#264275

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2023-12-05 09:20 +0100
Message-ID<HHyOR-bl6E-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264261
On 12/4/23 16:52, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 19:36 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
> wrote:
> ...
> 
>> Please confirm printer, toner cartridge, and labels are all HP.  If so,
>> I would contact HP.
> 
> 
> HP printer and toner, Office Depot labels.
> 
> I bought so hair spray and will try that.
> 
> -Tom


I have an HP LaserJet printer and use generic toner catridges.  HP 
multi-purpose paper and Avery labels work well.  Retail store (Staples) 
branded supplies do not work as well.


I suggest buying HP or Avery laser printer labels.


David

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#264291

FromAnders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-05 14:50 +0100
Message-ID<HHDYd-bpkv-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264261
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 1:46 PM D MacDougall <dmacdoug@usc.edu> wrote:
>
> On 12/4/23 16:52, Tom Browder wrote:
> >
> > HP printer and toner, Office Depot labels.
> >
> > I bought so hair spray and will try that.
> >
> > -Tom
>
> I just looked at Office Depot website and the only labels I see that are
> for both laser and inkjet are an off brand.  I see why you went for the
> off brand, they are a whole lot cheaper than the Avery labels the same
> size, but maybe this is why.  100 sheets for $13. Twice as many labels
> for 1/3 the price.  I might have tried them too.
>
> I really don't see how hairspray or any other liquid spray could do any
> good.  If you think it will seep under the toner and glue it down that
> seems problematic to me and it might make the labels peel off.
> Cellophane tape might work better.
>
> I think you said that you took the label to the UPS store and their
> printer had the same problem so the problem is definitely the labels and
> best just swallow hard and buy the Avery labels.  (Or just write the
> address with a ball point pen.)
>
> -Don

Please take this discussion about paper adhesive private or to a
suitable forum - it has not have anything to do with debian in a long
time, I'm amazed it's still tolerated!

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#264159

FromGareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm>
Date2023-12-03 21:20 +0100
Message-ID<HH16y-aRif-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#264150

> On 3 Dec 2023, at 12:06, Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> 
> ... I've never had a problem with laser-designated labels.  

I do have experience of toner falling off non-laser labels, so perhaps your laser labels are a duff batch, or perhaps they were mis-labelled :p

G

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