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  it: perhaps? gmail issues. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-20 17:30 +0100
    Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-20 17:40 +0100
      Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-20 18:00 +0100
    Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Gareth Evans <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2023-11-20 18:30 +0100
      Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-11-20 19:20 +0100
        Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-20 22:40 +0100
          Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-11-20 23:30 +0100
            Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2023-11-20 23:30 +0100
    Re: it: perhaps? gmail issues. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2023-11-22 13:50 +0100

#263722 — it: perhaps? gmail issues.

Hi folks,
Admit my hands are shaking a bit as I write.
This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail on 
users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their own 
accessibility list from members around the world experiencing disabilities 
who still need basic html.
I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in this 
inbox.
making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove 
yourself, something I physically cannot do.
so,  thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a path 
to gmail firmly?
Thanks,
Karen

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#263725

Am 20.11.2023 um 11:22:52 Uhr schrieb Karen Lewellen:

> This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail
> on users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their
> own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing
> disabilities who still need basic html.
> I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in
> this inbox.
> making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove 
> yourself, something I physically cannot do.
> so,  thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a
> path to gmail firmly?

I cannot understand why people use Google's web interface when IMAP is
available. They can choose the IMAP software they want and Google
doesn't change the GUI.

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#263726

Marco,
My guess is that you cannot understand as you are not personally embodying 
a few combination of disability experiences.
There are many paths to inclusion fortified by the web interface that, to 
my understanding, are not equally provided by imap.
Kare



On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 20.11.2023 um 11:22:52 Uhr schrieb Karen Lewellen:
>
>> This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail
>> on users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their
>> own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing
>> disabilities who still need basic html.
>> I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in
>> this inbox.
>> making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove
>> yourself, something I physically cannot do.
>> so,  thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a
>> path to gmail firmly?
>
> I cannot understand why people use Google's web interface when IMAP is
> available. They can choose the IMAP software they want and Google
> doesn't change the GUI.
>
>

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> On 20 Nov 2023, at 16:23, Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> ...

>  thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a path to gmail firmly?

Hi Karen,

Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility.  I can't remember if or how they handle graphics either.

Roundcube, a browser-based client, may also be of interest:

https://roundcube.net/

but I'm not sure how it compares to Google's HTML interface for your requirements.

Best wishes,
Gareth

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#263731

Gareth Evans wrote: 
> Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility.  I can't remember if or how they handle graphics either.


There are definitely people who use mutt through a braille
terminal. I don't know if there are people using it through a
screen reader.

-dsr-

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#263736

I personally am in the majority of those experiencing sight loss, and do 
not read braille.
I also use Linux via a shell service, fear losing my years of gmail 
content etc.
Add the captcha test for gmail and well.
Kare



On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Gareth Evans wrote:
>> Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility.  I can't remember if or how they handle graphics either.
>
>
> There are definitely people who use mutt through a braille
> terminal. I don't know if there are people using it through a
> screen reader.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

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#263739

Karen Lewellen wrote: 
> I personally am in the majority of those experiencing sight loss, and do not
> read braille.
> I also use Linux via a shell service, fear losing my years of gmail content
> etc.
> Add the captcha test for gmail and well.


Those are reasons to use gmail via their IMAP interface instead
of their website:

- use gmail via IMAP to mutt to get a fast, keyboard-driven, pure
  character-cell mail client

- mutt runs very well on shell services, and is probably already
  installed.

- gmail never imposes a CAPTCHA while using the IMAP interface.

You should try it; it might be exactly what you need.

But I notice that you appear to be using pine right now. Why not
switch to alpine, which is substantially the same but
supported?

As a bonus, it has IMAP support, so you can point it at gmail.
Now you don't even have to learn a new client.

-dsr-

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#263740

You know, I have come to  appreciate that alpine is only as solid as the 
service providing alpine.
For example my work Linux shell access is provided by dreamhost.
Who uses Alpine on their workspace service.
The inbox closes regularly, there is no spam filtering that allows you to 
move spam back to the inbox,
the alpine interface freezes..all the time, especially if I follow a link 
anywhere.

I may let someone test drive mutt on my other gmail account so I can 
discover how it works before tampering with my personal gmail account, 
but alpine is a no based on the mess I deal with at work using the program.
Speaking personally of firmly course.



On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> I personally am in the majority of those experiencing sight loss, and do not
>> read braille.
>> I also use Linux via a shell service, fear losing my years of gmail content
>> etc.
>> Add the captcha test for gmail and well.
>
>
> Those are reasons to use gmail via their IMAP interface instead
> of their website:
>
> - use gmail via IMAP to mutt to get a fast, keyboard-driven, pure
>  character-cell mail client
>
> - mutt runs very well on shell services, and is probably already
>  installed.
>
> - gmail never imposes a CAPTCHA while using the IMAP interface.
>
> You should try it; it might be exactly what you need.
>
> But I notice that you appear to be using pine right now. Why not
> switch to alpine, which is substantially the same but
> supported?
>
> As a bonus, it has IMAP support, so you can point it at gmail.
> Now you don't even have to learn a new client.
>
> -dsr-
>

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#263781

In this article Google seems to think using standard webmail works with
a screen reader.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/90559

It advises to turn on keyboard shortcuts.

I suppose another option would be to use another webmail service to pick
up email from gmail.

Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Admit my hands are shaking a bit as I write.
> This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail
> on users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their
> own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing
> disabilities who still need basic html.
> I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in
> this inbox.
> making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove
> yourself, something I physically cannot do.
> so,  thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a
> path to gmail firmly?
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>

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