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  Debian GNU/Linux Books Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 07:40 +0100
    Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-12 09:40 +0100
      Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-12 10:20 +0100
      Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2023-11-12 12:10 +0100
        Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-12 12:20 +0100
          Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-12 13:00 +0100
            Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-11-12 16:30 +0100
          Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-11-12 13:10 +0100
      Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-11-13 19:10 +0100
        Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Махно <mindaugasceliesius@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 14:00 +0100
          Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 16:10 +0100
    Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 10:10 +0100
    Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-11-12 11:00 +0100
      Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-11-12 11:10 +0100
        Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-11-12 11:50 +0100
    Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-11-12 12:50 +0100
      Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-11-12 15:30 +0100
        Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-12 16:00 +0100
          Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books Aleix Piulachs <ap77.v68@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 19:10 +0100
        Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-12 23:50 +0100
    Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-11-12 20:50 +0100
    Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2023-11-13 17:20 +0100

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#263397 — Debian GNU/Linux Books

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All,

I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is
very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux
Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing it I was wondering if
anyone would even be interested in buying a copy of it?

Thanks

Tim

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#263399

Am 12.11.2023 um 01:35:25 Uhr schrieb Timothy M Butterworth:

> I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and
> there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated
> Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing
> it I was wondering if anyone would even be interested in buying a
> copy of it?

I don't think book are a good way to teach stuff that changes. A wiki
(maybe with paid access, like RedHat does) is much more better than a
book that can't be updated and will be mostly useless with the next
release because beginner don't know which parts are still entirely
adaptable and which aren't.

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#263401

On 11/12/23 03:38, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 12.11.2023 um 01:35:25 Uhr schrieb Timothy M Butterworth:
> 
>> I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and
>> there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated
>> Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing
>> it I was wondering if anyone would even be interested in buying a
>> copy of it?
> 
> I don't think book are a good way to teach stuff that changes. A wiki
> (maybe with paid access, like RedHat does) is much more better than a
> book that can't be updated and will be mostly useless with the next
> release because beginner don't know which parts are still entirely
> adaptable and which aren't.
> 
> .
+100 Marco. Books are for physics that don't change. And a book about 
bookworm and the upcoming trixie will be out of date before trixie is 6 
months old.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#263405

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2023, Marco Moock wrote:

> I don't think book are a good way to teach stuff that changes. A wiki
> (maybe with paid access, like RedHat does) is much more better than a
> book that can't be updated and will be mostly useless with the next
> release because beginner don't know which parts are still entirely
> adaptable and which aren't.

Are you saying that I should stop relying on my Dr Linux 4th Ed. ©1996 ?  What's 
going on here ?  Can't trust anything these days.

Roger

PS. My copy of Harley Hahn's “Student's Guide to Unix", ©1993, has on page 206 
a picture of Heidi Stettner and Biff taken circa 1980.  Why doesn't Biff bark 
anymore?

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#263406

Am 12.11.2023 um 12:05:30 Uhr schrieb Roger Price:

> Are you saying that I should stop relying on my Dr Linux 4th Ed.
> ©1996 ?  What's going on here ?  Can't trust anything these days.

If you know what information is still applicable today (like using cd,
ls, vi etc.) and which isn't (Sysvinit, classful routing).

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#263408

Am 12.11.2023 um 06:46:42 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter:

> sysvinit is still a valid and supported init for Debian.

But people need to know that it isn't by default and that they need to
replace systemd to use switch to sysvinit if they want.

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#263424

Marco Moock wrote: 
> Am 12.11.2023 um 06:46:42 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter:
> 
> > sysvinit is still a valid and supported init for Debian.
> 
> But people need to know that it isn't by default and that they need to
> replace systemd to use switch to sysvinit if they want.

Not installed by default is hardly the same as your other example,
classful routing, which doesn't work at all without cooperation
from every other participant in an alternate IPv4 Internet.

-dsr-

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#263409

Marco Moock wrote: 
> Am 12.11.2023 um 12:05:30 Uhr schrieb Roger Price:
> 
> > Are you saying that I should stop relying on my Dr Linux 4th Ed.
> > ©1996 ?  What's going on here ?  Can't trust anything these days.
> 
> If you know what information is still applicable today (like using cd,
> ls, vi etc.) and which isn't (Sysvinit, classful routing).


sysvinit is still a valid and supported init for Debian.

-dsr-

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#263501

Much about Debian *doesn't* change.  A book about it with
Bookworm/Trixie as an example and including a discussion of how it does
change could be quite useful.  It could be updated every few years. 
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#263529

 > # apt-get install debian-handbook

This package contains the English book covering Debian 8 “Jessie”

2023-11-14, an, 01:31 John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> rašė:
>
> Much about Debian *doesn't* change.  A book about it with
> Bookworm/Trixie as an example and including a discussion of how it does
> change could be quite useful.  It could be updated every few years.
> --
> John Hasler
> john@sugarbit.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>

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#263591

On 14/11/2023 19:52, Махно wrote:
>   > # apt-get install debian-handbook
> 
> This package contains the English book covering Debian 8 “Jessie”

Package description has not been updated.

debian-handbook (11.20220922) unstable; urgency=medium
[...]
   [ Raphaël Hertzog ]
   * Update the book to be based on Debian 11 with the help of Daniel 
Leidert.
[...]
  -- Raphaël Hertzog  Thu, 22 Sep 2022 14:36:46 +0200

You can check online version:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/index.en.html

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#263400

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 06:36, Timothy M Butterworth
<timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and
> there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated
> Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing
> it I was wondering if anyone would even be interested in buying a
> copy of it?

Hi, are you aware of this?
  https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/
  https://debian-handbook.info/

It is written by Debian Developers:
  https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=hertzog&comaint=yes
  https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=lolando&comaint=yes

Contribution page is here:
  https://debian-handbook.info/contribute/

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#263402

On 12/11/23 14:35, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> All,
> 
> I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there 
> is very little selection. 

I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux 
printed texts.

:)

I agree with the reference to a wiki instead (providing sufficient 
volunteers keep it sufficiently updated) - a problem with print books 
about software, including OS's, in addition to the need for ongoing 
updates, and, errata documents, is that people always find information 
that should have been included, and, wasn't, and, adding missing 
information to a dynamic, collaborative publication, such as a wiki, is 
better and easier, than print book revisions and subsequent editions.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#263403

Am 12.11.2023 um 17:56:46 Uhr schrieb Bret Busby:

> I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux 
> printed texts.

But how relevant is it still?
Many things changed and especially for beginners those books are
useless today because they don't know what information is still
applicable to current versions.

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#263404

On 12/11/23 18:07, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 12.11.2023 um 17:56:46 Uhr schrieb Bret Busby:
> 
>> I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux
>> printed texts.
> 
> But how relevant is it still?
> Many things changed and especially for beginners those books are
> useless today because they don't know what information is still
> applicable to current versions.
> 
If you had bothered to read the rest of my post, you would have better 
understood the context of that to which you have responded in blind haste...

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#263407

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 01:35:25AM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> All,
> 
> I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is
> very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux
> Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing it I was wondering if
> anyone would even be interested in buying a copy of it?
> 

I've been into a couple of the largest bookshops in UK in the last few
months - there are fewer and fewer physical books on shelves.

A Debian specific book would be welcome - but the Debian Handbook already
covers much of that. We may end up with refugees from Red Hat distros in
due course but learning apt covers much of that. (If you can use
GNOME in one distro, it's similar in all - and I'm not sure when
Ubuntu last published a handbook, for example).

The big Linux System Administration Handbook - the one with three authors
including Evi Nemeth - is a really good example of something with masses
of good general information but almost nobody has it.

O'Reilly books are primarily online now: I think it would be hard to find
a niche that would fit a new book or a physical book publisher to take it
(and no, I'm not thinking of the average print on demand publisher who
mostly specialises in of out of copyright books, though that might be
an option).

The Red Hat certification market has three or four books: it might be
that maddog and the Linux Professional Institute would be interested
as their courses cover all distros.

Yes, I'd probably buy a copy - I have a physical copy of most of the
Debian books that there are. The most useful at one point was probably
the O'Reilly one which came with a CD.

I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how
would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides,
for example?

All the very best, as ever,

> Thanks
> 
> Tim
> 
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#263414

Hello,

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how
> would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides,
> for example?

It is an interesting question to ask for this resource specifically,
because it's very high quality and self-publishing is easier than
it's ever been.

If I had space for physical books, I'd buy a physical copy of that.
😀

Thanks,
Andy

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https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

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#263419

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 02:28:33PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how
> > would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides,
> > for example?

I'm not going to produce any.  You can print whatever you want.

> It is an interesting question to ask for this resource specifically,
> because it's very high quality and self-publishing is easier than
> it's ever been.
> 
> If I had space for physical books, I'd buy a physical copy of that.
> 😀

Well, thanks, but I'm not going to be doing any publishing, and certainly
not of content that belongs to many different people.

If it helps, one of the #bash people made <http://s.ntnu.no/bashguide.pdf>.
I don't know how often it gets updated.

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#263433

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I think the books help some commands and software, for me are good to start
with

El El dom, 12 nov 2023 a las 15:51, Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
escribió:

> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 02:28:33PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how
> > > would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides,
> > > for example?
>
> I'm not going to produce any.  You can print whatever you want.
>
> > It is an interesting question to ask for this resource specifically,
> > because it's very high quality and self-publishing is easier than
> > it's ever been.
> >
> > If I had space for physical books, I'd buy a physical copy of that.
> > 😀
>
> Well, thanks, but I'm not going to be doing any publishing, and certainly
> not of content that belongs to many different people.
>
> If it helps, one of the #bash people made <http://s.ntnu.no/bashguide.pdf
> >.
> I don't know how often it gets updated.
>
>

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#263451

On 11/12/23 09:29, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:46:46AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> I do tend to rely on the knowledge and expertise here: Greg - how
>> would you rate the chances of physical copies of your Bash guides,
>> for example?
> 
> It is an interesting question to ask for this resource specifically,
> because it's very high quality and self-publishing is easier than
> it's ever been.
> 
> If I had space for physical books, I'd buy a physical copy of that.
> 😀
I printed it, maybe 5 years ago, thanks to its stability I can still 
write bash stuff using it as a guide. Not all of its wannabe clones can 
say that. :o)>
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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