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repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several times.

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  repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several times. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 01:10 +0200
    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several times. Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-05-01 02:20 +0200
      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 09:40 +0200
        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 15:00 +0200
          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 15:50 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 16:10 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 16:40 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:00 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 17:40 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 16:20 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:20 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 17:30 +0200
                  Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:50 +0200
                    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 18:40 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 19:10 +0200
                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 19:40 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 00:00 +0200
                            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-02 01:10 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 19:30 +0200
                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 20:40 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 00:10 +0200
                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-05-01 22:10 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 23:30 +0200
                            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 01:00 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 00:30 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 01:00 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered severaltimes. Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-05-01 16:20 +0200
          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:00 +0200
    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 06:30 +0200
    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2023-05-01 09:40 +0200
      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-05-01 13:50 +0200
        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 15:00 +0200
          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. zithro <slack@rabbit.lu> - 2023-05-04 21:50 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-04 22:00 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-05 16:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-05 17:50 +0200
                  Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-05 19:50 +0200
                    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-05 22:40 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-06 01:00 +0200
                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-06 03:40 +0200
                    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Alex King <alex@king.net.nz> - 2023-05-07 01:30 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> - 2023-05-07 02:10 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2023-05-07 03:40 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2023-05-07 13:30 +0200
                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-07 17:30 +0200
                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-07 18:50 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-08 06:30 +0200
                            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-08 13:50 +0200
                              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-08 19:10 +0200
                                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-09 00:10 +0200
                              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-09 10:10 +0200
                                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-05-09 13:20 +0200
                                  Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-09 22:50 +0200
                                    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-10 14:20 +0200
                                      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-10 16:10 +0200
                                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-05-10 16:50 +0200
                                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-10 17:30 +0200
                                          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-10 19:20 +0200
                                            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-10 20:30 +0200
                                              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-10 22:00 +0200
                                                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-11 13:10 +0200
                                                  Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-11 18:30 +0200
                                              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-10 22:10 +0200
                                                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-05-10 22:20 +0200
                                                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-11 13:10 +0200
                                                  SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-11 18:10 +0200
                                                    Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-11 21:20 +0200
                                                    Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-05-12 00:00 +0200
                                                      Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-05-12 00:30 +0200
                                                        Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-05-12 01:50 +0200
                                                          Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has  goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 03:40 +0200
                                                            Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has  goneunansweredseveraltimes. Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-05-12 11:20 +0200
                                                              Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that  hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 12:30 +0200
                                                                Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that  hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-05-12 13:30 +0200
                                                                Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that  hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-05-12 13:50 +0200
                                                                  Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question  thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 18:20 +0200
                                                              Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that  hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 12:30 +0200
                                                                Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that  hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-05-12 13:50 +0200
                                                                  :Re: repeat of previous question thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 18:10 +0200
                                                                    Re: :Re: repeat of previous question  thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-05-12 23:30 +0200
                                                                Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that  hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-12 20:50 +0200
                                                                  Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question  thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 21:30 +0200
                                                                    Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question  thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-13 13:20 +0200
                                                                      Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous  questionthathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-13 17:10 +0200
                                                        Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has  goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 03:30 +0200
                                                      Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has  goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-12 03:20 +0200
                        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2023-05-07 19:40 +0200
                          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-08 07:10 +0200

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#258130 — Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-10 22:00 +0200
SubjectRe: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GtY8F-7YFy-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258129
On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 13:18:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> On 5/10/23 11:29, Brian wrote:
>>> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 10:04:47 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/23 08:17, Brian wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
> 
>>> Is /etc/cups/client,conf really, really needed?
>>>
>> That is the first thing cups docs tell you to do, see "printer sharing"
> 
> A link would be ever so useful.
>   
>>>> Also on the bpi's, running armbian, libnss-ldap is installed, which
>>>> conflicts with installing libnss-*, but did install libnss-my*, and now the
>>>> printers have disappeared again.  That does not hold water. What the heck is
>>>> going on now?
>>>
>>> I haven't any idea and do not claim the know anything about armbian and how
>>> it should deal with NSS\
>>
>> Since that comes from a debian arm64 repo. my first assumption is that its
>> identical.
> 
> After appreciating that bpi51 has libnss-mdns installed, you might discard any
> assumption that nsswitch.conf on bpi54 has the same contents.
> 
I don't believe any of these 4 bpi's have libnss-mdns installed, locate 
after a sudo updatedb, cannot find it on either of the 2 that are live 
on this net ATM.

Now. I modified /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to change loglevel to debug2, and 
add Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631, then restarted cups, getting this notice 
in /var/log/cups/error_log:

E [10/May/2023:14:32:16 -0500] Unable to open listen socket for address 
[v1.::1]:631 - Cannot assign requested address.

E [10/May/2023:14:32:16 -0500] Unable to open listen socket for address 
192.168.xx.yy:631 - Cannot assign requested address.

There's no ipv6 here, none within 100 miles so the first is expected but 
what is the second one telling us?  Permissions, bad path, wrong time of 
the month?  IDK...

This above is on bpi51.

Take care & stay well Brian.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>

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#258136 — Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2023-05-11 13:10 +0200
SubjectRe: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guclj-87xI-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258130
On Wed 10 May 2023 at 15:51:53 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

> On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:

[...]

> > After appreciating that bpi51 has libnss-mdns installed, you might discard any
> > assumption that nsswitch.conf on bpi54 has the same contents.
> > 
> I don't believe any of these 4 bpi's have libnss-mdns installed, locate
> after a sudo updatedb, cannot find it on either of the 2 that are live on
> this net ATM.

bpi51 has avahi-browse. avahi-browse depends on avahi-daemon. avahi-daemon
recommends libnss-mdns.
 
> Now. I modified /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to change loglevel to debug2, and add
> Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631, then restarted cups, getting this notice in
> /var/log/cups/error_log:

This is on bpi54? I do not believe a change to /etc/cups/cupsd.conf is
necessary.

-- 
Brian. 

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#258138 — Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-11 18:30 +0200
SubjectRe: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GuhkZ-8aJ7-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258136
On 5/11/23 07:09, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 15:51:53 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> After appreciating that bpi51 has libnss-mdns installed, you might discard any
>>> assumption that nsswitch.conf on bpi54 has the same contents.
>>>
>> I don't believe any of these 4 bpi's have libnss-mdns installed, locate
>> after a sudo updatedb, cannot find it on either of the 2 that are live on
>> this net ATM.
> 
> bpi51 has avahi-browse. avahi-browse depends on avahi-daemon. avahi-daemon
> recommends libnss-mdns.
>   
>> Now. I modified /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to change loglevel to debug2, and add
>> Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631, then restarted cups, getting this notice in
>> /var/log/cups/error_log:
> 
> This is on bpi54? I do not believe a change to /etc/cups/cupsd.conf is
> necessary.
> 
Yes, it was necessary, see my previous post. Not determined is the need 
for a client.conf file with its contents, I rather suspect it might 
still be required as its the only "Server" specification in the whole 
shebang.

Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>

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#258131 — Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-10 22:10 +0200
SubjectRe: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GtYil-7YY6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258129
On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 13:18:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> On 5/10/23 11:29, Brian wrote:
>>> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 10:04:47 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/23 08:17, Brian wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
> 
>>> Is /etc/cups/client,conf really, really needed?
>>>
>> That is the first thing cups docs tell you to do, see "printer sharing"
> 
> A link would be ever so useful.

send browser to cups.org, click help, in right pane, click "printer 
sharing", scroll down about a screenfull to Automatic using IPP
>   
>>>> Also on the bpi's, running armbian, libnss-ldap is installed, which
>>>> conflicts with installing libnss-*, but did install libnss-my*, and now the
>>>> printers have disappeared again.  That does not hold water. What the heck is
>>>> going on now?
>>>
>>> I haven't any idea and do not claim the know anything about armbian and how
>>> it should deal with NSS\
>>
>> Since that comes from a debian arm64 repo. my first assumption is that its
>> identical.
> 
> After appreciating that bpi51 has libnss-mdns installed, you might discard any
> assumption that nsswitch.conf on bpi54 has the same contents.
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>

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#258132 — Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

Fromdebian-user@howorth.org.uk
Date2023-05-10 22:20 +0200
SubjectRe: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GtYs1-7Z19-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258131
gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
> > A link would be ever so useful.  
> 
> send browser to cups.org, click help, in right pane, click "printer 
> sharing", scroll down about a screenfull to Automatic using IPP

So the answer to Brian's question is
https://www.cups.org/doc/sharing.html and scroll down about a screenful
to Automatic Configuration using IPP

I think :)
    

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#258135 — Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2023-05-11 13:10 +0200
SubjectRe: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guclj-87xI-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258131
On Wed 10 May 2023 at 16:02:43 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

> On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 10 May 2023 at 13:18:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > 
> > > On 5/10/23 11:29, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 10 May 2023 at 10:04:47 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 5/10/23 08:17, Brian wrote:
> > > 
> > > > [...]
> > 
> > > > Is /etc/cups/client,conf really, really needed?
> > > > 
> > > That is the first thing cups docs tell you to do, see "printer sharing"
> > 
> > A link would be ever so useful.
> 
> send browser to cups.org, click help, in right pane, click "printer
> sharing", scroll down about a screenfull to Automatic using IPP

Thanks to you and debian-user@howorth.org.uk. Note that this page is for Apple
CUPS. The one for Deian CUPS is at

  https://openprinting.github.io/cups/doc/sharing.html

Havong said that, it should also be noted that the /etc/cups/client.conf is used
when a local spooler is not required and is presented as to be used only as
absolutely necessary. Hardly "the first thing cups docs tell you to do". Why is
it absolutely necessary in your situation?

Additionally, a client.conf overrides the default local  server. All the analysis
in this thread has been carried out assuming a functional local  server, so I do
not know where that leaves us now if a client.conf has been in the mix all the time..

-- 
Brian.

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#258137 — SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-11 18:10 +0200
SubjectSOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guh1D-8aCB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258135
On 5/11/23 07:07, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 16:02:43 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
>>> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 13:18:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/23 11:29, Brian wrote:
>>>>> On Wed 10 May 2023 at 10:04:47 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/10/23 08:17, Brian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> Is /etc/cups/client,conf really, really needed?
>>>>>
>>>> That is the first thing cups docs tell you to do, see "printer sharing"
>>>
>>> A link would be ever so useful.
>>
>> send browser to cups.org, click help, in right pane, click "printer
>> sharing", scroll down about a screenfull to Automatic using IPP
> 
> Thanks to you and debian-user@howorth.org.uk. Note that this page is for Apple
> CUPS. The one for Debian CUPS is at
> 
>    https://openprinting.github.io/cups/doc/sharing.html
> 
Thank you for that link, the other Apple Cups link is first in a google 
search, and probably close in DDG too since the search was for cups, not 
openprinting as I was not then aware that Mike had moved.  Apple should 
be ashamed of themselves hanging onto the cups links when they are no 
longer writing the authors paychecks.

> Havong said that, it should also be noted that the /etc/cups/client.conf is used
> when a local spooler is not required and is presented as to be used only as
> absolutely necessary. Hardly "the first thing cups docs tell you to do". Why is
> it absolutely necessary in your situation?
> 
> Additionally, a client.conf overrides the default local  server. All the analysis
> in this thread has been carried out assuming a functional local  server, so I do
> not know where that leaves us now if a client.conf has been in the mix all the time..
> 
I am wondering now if I shouldn't remove the other Listen directives 
from cupsd.conf, isolating their influence when there are no locally 
connected printers.

Aha!!!! Got it, geany evince okular etc can now print from bpi54! 
Removing the Listen localhost:631 directive from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf 
and inserting a

Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631

made the localhost:631/printers on this machine show up in FF on bpi54, 
all 5 choices from this machine.  All that as root of course, and the 
acid test was me as 1st user, calling up geany to edit that file, which 
complained it was not writable but to print it on the B&W laser, which 
it just did. I did have to leave active the "Listen /run/cups/cups.sock" 
line, it did not work w/o that.

I changed the LogLevel back to warn before it fills up a 64BG card, and 
it seems its all Just Working.

That warning in the paragraph above s/not be a show stopper when there 
is only one machine as the Server on this local network. IMO, it should 
be speced as applying to any machine that does NOT have any locally 
connected printers.

Your help, and some comments from Greg, have been very helpful.  Thank 
you both for bearing with me, most appreciated.

Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
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  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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#258140 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2023-05-11 21:20 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GujZv-8crL-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258137
On Thu 11 May 2023 at 12:08:01 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

> On 5/11/23 07:07, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 10 May 2023 at 16:02:43 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > 
> > > On 5/10/23 14:22, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 10 May 2023 at 13:18:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 5/10/23 11:29, Brian wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed 10 May 2023 at 10:04:47 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On 5/10/23 08:17, Brian wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > > > Is /etc/cups/client,conf really, really needed?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > That is the first thing cups docs tell you to do, see "printer sharing"
> > > > 
> > > > A link would be ever so useful.
> > > 
> > > send browser to cups.org, click help, in right pane, click "printer
> > > sharing", scroll down about a screenfull to Automatic using IPP
> > 
> > Thanks to you and debian-user@howorth.org.uk. Note that this page is for Apple
> > CUPS. The one for Debian CUPS is at
> > 
> >    https://openprinting.github.io/cups/doc/sharing.html
> > 
> Thank you for that link, the other Apple Cups link is first in a google
> search, and probably close in DDG too since the search was for cups, not
> openprinting as I was not then aware that Mike had moved.  Apple should be
> ashamed of themselves hanging onto the cups links when they are no longer
> writing the authors paychecks.
> 
> > Havong said that, it should also be noted that the /etc/cups/client.conf is used
> > when a local spooler is not required and is presented as to be used only as
> > absolutely necessary. Hardly "the first thing cups docs tell you to do". Why is
> > it absolutely necessary in your situation?
> > 
> > Additionally, a client.conf overrides the default local  server. All the analysis
> > in this thread has been carried out assuming a functional local  server, so I do
> > not know where that leaves us now if a client.conf has been in the mix all the time..
> > 
> I am wondering now if I shouldn't remove the other Listen directives from
> cupsd.conf, isolating their influence when there are no locally connected
> printers.
> 
> Aha!!!! Got it, geany evince okular etc can now print from bpi54! Removing
> the Listen localhost:631 directive from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and inserting a
> 
> Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631
> 
> made the localhost:631/printers on this machine show up in FF on bpi54, all
> 5 choices from this machine.  All that as root of course, and the acid test
> was me as 1st user, calling up geany to edit that file, which complained it
> was not writable but to print it on the B&W laser, which it just did. I did
> have to leave active the "Listen /run/cups/cups.sock" line, it did not work
> w/o that.
> 
> I changed the LogLevel back to warn before it fills up a 64BG card, and it
> seems its all Just Working.
> 
> That warning in the paragraph above s/not be a show stopper when there is
> only one machine as the Server on this local network. IMO, it should be
> speced as applying to any machine that does NOT have any locally connected
> printers.
> 
> Your help, and some comments from Greg, have been very helpful.  Thank you
> both for bearing with me, most appreciated.

You are, as uaual, treading your own path. Sometimes, it touches on mine
or crosses it. Let's leave it there. The acknowledgement is gracious and
appreciated.

-- 
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#258141 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

FromVincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Date2023-05-12 00:00 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Gumul-8dLC-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258137
On 2023-05-11 12:08:01 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Aha!!!! Got it, geany evince okular etc can now print from bpi54! Removing
> the Listen localhost:631 directive from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and inserting a
> 
> Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631
> 
> made the localhost:631/printers on this machine show up in FF on bpi54, all
> 5 choices from this machine.

Any explanation?

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#258142 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2023-05-12 00:30 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GumXn-8eaM-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258141
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:58:56PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-05-11 12:08:01 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > Aha!!!! Got it, geany evince okular etc can now print from bpi54! Removing
> > the Listen localhost:631 directive from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and inserting a
> > 
> > Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631
> > 
> > made the localhost:631/printers on this machine show up in FF on bpi54, all
> > 5 choices from this machine.
> 
> Any explanation?

Seems obvious enough to me.  CUPS on bpi54 was only listening to
loopback (localhost), but Gene wanted to print through it remotely.
So he had to make it listen to the network instead.

My questions would be:

1) Can you put *both* Listen lines in, to keep loopback working?

2) Failing that, can you use 0.0.0.0 as the Listen address, to listen on
   all interfaces?  That's the normal convention.

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#258144 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

FromVincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Date2023-05-12 01:50 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GuocN-8ePR-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258142
On 2023-05-11 18:24:39 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:58:56PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2023-05-11 12:08:01 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > Aha!!!! Got it, geany evince okular etc can now print from bpi54! Removing
> > > the Listen localhost:631 directive from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and inserting a
> > > 
> > > Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631
> > > 
> > > made the localhost:631/printers on this machine show up in FF on bpi54, all
> > > 5 choices from this machine.
> > 
> > Any explanation?
> 
> Seems obvious enough to me.  CUPS on bpi54 was only listening to
> loopback (localhost), but Gene wanted to print through it remotely.
> So he had to make it listen to the network instead.

My question was more on why does this affect localhost:631/printers?

> My questions would be:
> 
> 1) Can you put *both* Listen lines in, to keep loopback working?

The cupsd.conf(5) man page says: "Multiple Listen directives can be
provided to listen on multiple addresses."

> 2) Failing that, can you use 0.0.0.0 as the Listen address, to listen on
>    all interfaces?  That's the normal convention.

According to the cupsd.conf(5) man page, you can use "Listen *:631".

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#258147 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-12 03:40 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GupVf-8fT9-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258144
On 5/11/23 19:41, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-05-11 18:24:39 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:58:56PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-11 12:08:01 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> Aha!!!! Got it, geany evince okular etc can now print from bpi54! Removing
>>>> the Listen localhost:631 directive from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and inserting a
>>>>
>>>> Listen 192.168.xx.yy:631
>>>>
>>>> made the localhost:631/printers on this machine show up in FF on bpi54, all
>>>> 5 choices from this machine.
>>>
>>> Any explanation?
>>
>> Seems obvious enough to me.  CUPS on bpi54 was only listening to
>> loopback (localhost), but Gene wanted to print through it remotely.
>> So he had to make it listen to the network instead.
> 
> My question was more on why does this affect localhost:631/printers?
> 
>> My questions would be:
>>
>> 1) Can you put *both* Listen lines in, to keep loopback working?
> 
> The cupsd.conf(5) man page says: "Multiple Listen directives can be
> provided to listen on multiple addresses."
> 
My results seem to indicate otherwise.

>> 2) Failing that, can you use 0.0.0.0 as the Listen address, to listen on
>>     all interfaces?  That's the normal convention.
> 
> According to the cupsd.conf(5) man page, you can use "Listen *:631".

The possibility exists that the star goes thru a different path, which 
works. untested here. But folks, that isn't a SWAG, its a plain old WAG.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
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  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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#258156 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes.

FromVincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Date2023-05-12 11:20 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Gux6p-8kH1-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258147
On 2023-05-11 21:34:11 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 5/11/23 19:41, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2023-05-11 18:24:39 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > My questions would be:
> > > 
> > > 1) Can you put *both* Listen lines in, to keep loopback working?
> > 
> > The cupsd.conf(5) man page says: "Multiple Listen directives can be
> > provided to listen on multiple addresses."
> > 
> My results seem to indicate otherwise.

I don't think that you even showed anything. The only test you
should do about that is to try to connect to the port, e.g. with
telnet (or nmap can probably tell you). If the connection isn't
immediately refused, then the Listen directive is OK.

For instance:

zira:~> telnet localhost 631
Trying ::1...
flushoutput character is 'off'.
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.

Fine. And you can try the same thing from a different machine on
the network, replacing "localhost" by the IP address of the server,
e.g. from another machine on my network:

$ telnet 192.168.1.3 631
Trying 192.168.1.3...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

because my CUPS server just has

Listen localhost:631
Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock

If the connection is accepted with telnet by using multiple Listen
directives, then the Listen configuration is correct. If you can
see any other issue related to the printers, then the problem is
due to something else.

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#258158 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-12 12:30 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guyca-8ljm-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258156
On 5/12/23 05:18, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-05-11 21:34:11 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 5/11/23 19:41, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-11 18:24:39 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>>> My questions would be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Can you put *both* Listen lines in, to keep loopback working?
>>>
>>> The cupsd.conf(5) man page says: "Multiple Listen directives can be
>>> provided to listen on multiple addresses."
>>>
>> My results seem to indicate otherwise.
> 
> I don't think that you even showed anything. The only test you
> should do about that is to try to connect to the port, e.g. with
> telnet (or nmap can probably tell you). If the connection isn't
> immediately refused, then the Listen directive is OK.
> 
> For instance:
> 
> zira:~> telnet localhost 631
> Trying ::1...
> flushoutput character is 'off'.
> Connected to localhost.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 
> Fine. And you can try the same thing from a different machine on
> the network, replacing "localhost" by the IP address of the server,
> e.g. from another machine on my network:
> 
> $ telnet 192.168.1.3 631
> Trying 192.168.1.3...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> 
I'm not able to test that on the bpi's, telnet is not installed.
> because my CUPS server just has
> 
> Listen localhost:631
> Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock
> 
> If the connection is accepted with telnet by using multiple Listen
> directives, then the Listen configuration is correct. If you can
> see any other issue related to the printers, then the problem is
> due to something else.
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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#258160 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2023-05-12 13:30 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guz8d-8lSa-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258158
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 06:26:00AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 5/12/23 05:18, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Fine. And you can try the same thing from a different machine on
> > the network, replacing "localhost" by the IP address of the server,
> > e.g. from another machine on my network:
> > 
> > $ telnet 192.168.1.3 631
> > Trying 192.168.1.3...
> > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> > 
> I'm not able to test that on the bpi's, telnet is not installed.

Then install it, or use an EQUIVALENT command.

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#258163 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

FromVincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Date2023-05-12 13:50 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guzrz-8lYM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258158
On 2023-05-12 06:26:00 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> I'm not able to test that on the bpi's, telnet is not installed.

You can try with nmap:

$ nmap -p 631 localhost
$ nmap -p 631 <server_IP>

PORT    STATE SERVICE
631/tcp open  ipp

means that you can connect.

PORT    STATE  SERVICE
631/tcp closed ipp

means that you can't.

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#258185 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-12 18:20 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GuDER-8oDT-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258163
On 5/12/23 07:49, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> nmap -p 631 localhost

had to install 5 pkgs to get it, but:
gene@bpi51:~/src/cups-master$ nmap -p 631 localhost
Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-05-12 11:10 -05
Nmap scan report for localhost (127.0.0.1)
Host is up (0.00030s latency).

PORT    STATE SERVICE
631/tcp open  ipp

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.12 seconds
gene@bpi51:~/src/cups-master$ nmap -p 631 192.168.nn.y
Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-05-12 11:11 -05
Nmap scan report for coyote.coyote.den (192.168.nn.y)
Host is up (0.00073s latency).

PORT    STATE SERVICE
631/tcp open  ipp

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.13 seconds
ditto for machines name, so the host file is working.

Next?

Cheers, Geneh Heskett.
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#258159 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-12 12:30 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guyca-8ljm-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258156
On 5/12/23 05:18, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-05-11 21:34:11 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 5/11/23 19:41, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-11 18:24:39 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>>> My questions would be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Can you put *both* Listen lines in, to keep loopback working?
>>>
>>> The cupsd.conf(5) man page says: "Multiple Listen directives can be
>>> provided to listen on multiple addresses."
>>>
>> My results seem to indicate otherwise.
> 
> I don't think that you even showed anything. The only test you
> should do about that is to try to connect to the port, e.g. with
> telnet (or nmap can probably tell you). If the connection isn't
> immediately refused, then the Listen directive is OK.
> 
> For instance:
> 
> zira:~> telnet localhost 631
> Trying ::1...
> flushoutput character is 'off'.
> Connected to localhost.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 
> Fine. And you can try the same thing from a different machine on
> the network, replacing "localhost" by the IP address of the server,
> e.g. from another machine on my network:
> 
> $ telnet 192.168.1.3 631
> Trying 192.168.1.3...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> 
> because my CUPS server just has
> 
> Listen localhost:631
> Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock
> 
> If the connection is accepted with telnet by using multiple Listen
> directives, then the Listen configuration is correct. If you can
> see any other issue related to the printers, then the problem is
> due to something else.
> 
I'm confused. There is not anything wrong with this machine as a Server.
ALL of this muttering and bitching has been because bookworm clients did 
NOT work. buster clients work great.

How many times do I have to say it is/was a CLIENT problem that only 
exists for BOOKWORM clients.  The elephant in the room that most have 
ignored.

What I have done, on the BOOKWORM CLIENT works, but we still don't have 
a clue why that is so.

That said i've dl'd the src from cups, which is broken by not being in a 
state that will even autogen.  So I dl'd the obviously much later 
src.zip from Mikes new openprinting site. The zip is about 250% the size 
of the apple tar.gz. Its complete and only needs one argument to 
configure, with-tls=no. Then it builds and passes a make test, but I've 
not installed it on this machine.

The debian code appears to be the Apple src.
What I intend to do is move the openprinting version 2.4.5 to one of the 
bpi's, see if it will build there, and install it on the bpi to see if 
that works. But I'm just one, and there is only so much I can do in a day.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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#258162 — Re: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

FromVincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Date2023-05-12 13:50 +0200
SubjectRe: SOLVED:Re: repeat of previous question that hasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<Guzrz-8lYM-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258159
On 2023-05-12 06:23:56 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> I'm confused. There is not anything wrong with this machine as a Server.
> ALL of this muttering and bitching has been because bookworm clients did NOT
> work. buster clients work great.
> 
> How many times do I have to say it is/was a CLIENT problem that only exists
> for BOOKWORM clients.  The elephant in the room that most have ignored.

But you said that the problem was "solved" by modifying a setting
corresponding to the Listen directives (in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf).
These directives concern the *server* only.

I suspect that your problem was solved for another reason (e.g.
something else occurred on the network in the mean time, or some
config was reloaded at the right time, possibly as a consequence
of your testing). Or perhaps it is not solved at all and could
reappear in the future (that's why it would be interesting to
know the real cause of the problem).

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#258183 — :Re: repeat of previous question thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2023-05-12 18:10 +0200
Subject:Re: repeat of previous question thathasgoneunansweredseveraltimes.
Message-ID<GuDve-8oAr-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#258162
On 5/12/23 07:41, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-05-12 06:23:56 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>> I'm confused. There is not anything wrong with this machine as a Server.
>> ALL of this muttering and bitching has been because bookworm clients did NOT
>> work. buster clients work great.
>>
>> How many times do I have to say it is/was a CLIENT problem that only exists
>> for BOOKWORM clients.  The elephant in the room that most have ignored.
> 
> But you said that the problem was "solved" by modifying a setting
> corresponding to the Listen directives (in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf).
> These directives concern the *server* only.
> 
Oh, then how does one tell the CLIENT to even use the SERVER? That 
statement, added to a created CLIENT.CONF, is not sufficient, Been tried 
many times. It does log a lack of auth, also reported here. Is that the 
real problem? The lack of any tracing info in the log, even at debug2 
level reporting is a huge hindrance to intelligent trouble shooting.

> I suspect that your problem was solved for another reason (e.g.
> something else occurred on the network in the mean time, or some
> config was reloaded at the right time, possibly as a consequence
> of your testing). Or perhaps it is not solved at all and could
> reappear in the future (that's why it would be interesting to
> know the real cause of the problem).
> 
copied new cup-master.zip to the bpi51
unpacked it to cups-master in ~/gene/src
./configure --with-tls=no, no show-stoppers.
make no-show stoppers
make test, failed for 2 functions
the report said at one place it got 34 errors but only expected 33
I didn't install

Back to the apple version installed, what fixed the bpi54 ddoes not fix 
the bpi51, so Vincent was right to be concerned

It is 100% a "cannot assign requested address error" on the bpi51 as 
logged in/var/log/cups/error_log:

E [12/May/2023:10:32:20 -0500] Unable to open listen socket for address 
192.168.71.3:631 - Cannot assign requested address.
E [12/May/2023:10:34:45 -0500] Unable to open listen socket for address 
[v1.::1]:631 - Cannot assign requested address.

Where its getting the ipv6 addy is a mystery

ip a:
gene@bpi51:~/src/cups-master$ ip a
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
group default qlen 1000
     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP 
group default qlen 1000
     link/ether ae:c8:46:2e:6b:6b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 
da:0e:c7:cf:52:52
     inet 192.168.nn.y/24 brd 192.168.nn.255 scope global noprefixroute eth0
        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

ip r:
gene@bpi51:~/src/cups-master$ ip r
default via 192.168.nn.y dev eth0 proto static metric 100
169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link metric 1000
192.168.nn.y/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.nn.y metric 
100

So, how can we proceed?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
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  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis
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