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| Started by | Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-04-22 22:00 +0200 |
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Re: Gnome desktop environment Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2023-04-22 22:00 +0200
Re: Gnome desktop environment Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-04-22 22:50 +0200
Re: Gnome desktop environment Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-22 23:10 +0200
Re: Gnome desktop environment Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2023-04-23 02:20 +0200
Re: Gnome desktop environment songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2023-04-23 02:40 +0200
Re: Gnome desktop environment Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-04-24 00:20 +0200
| From | Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-22 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Gnome desktop environment |
| Message-ID | <GnryN-3O0k-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 20:53, William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> wrote: > I want to delete the Gnome desktop environment. > > *What command is used for an elimination complete?* > > I use this command but don't get the effect desired. > > # apt-get install task-gnome-desktop > > Well, to be fair, if you want to remove it, telling it to install it probably isn’t likely to produce the desired effect… > You could try using “remove” or “purge” instead but be ready for a lot of applications that depend on Gnome (or at least on a desktop of some sort). So the better approach may be to decide what you want to replace it with, try to install that, and guide the package manager towards uninstalling Gnome as it tries to sort out the mess that creates. Mark > > >
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| From | Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-22 22:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gnslc-3OwO-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #257484 |
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On April 22, 2023 12:58:24 PM Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 20:53, William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I want to delete the Gnome desktop environment. > > > What command is used for an elimination complete? > > > I use this command but don't get the effect desired. > > # apt-get install task-gnome-desktop > > > Well, to be fair, if you want to remove it, telling it to install it > probably isn’t likely to produce the desired effect… > > > You could try using “remove” or “purge” instead but be ready for a lot of > applications that depend on Gnome (or at least on a desktop of some sort). > So the better approach may be to decide what you want to replace it with, > try to install that, and guide the package manager towards uninstalling > Gnome as it tries to sort out the mess that creates. In my experience it's gonna be a real mess. Gnome is tenacious. ...if it doesn't give what you what you _really want_ I suggest a fresh install with the desktop of choice Be careful and don't include any Gnome/"Debian desktop". Best of luck. > > Mark
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| From | Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-22 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GnsEx-3OTp-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #257486 |
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 4:49 PM Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> wrote: > > On April 22, 2023 12:58:24 PM Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 20:53, William Torrez Corea <willitc9888@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I want to delete the Gnome desktop environment. >>> >>> What command is used for an elimination complete? >>> >>> [...] > > In my experience it's gonna be a real mess. Gnome is tenacious. > ...if it doesn't give what you what you _really want_ I suggest a fresh install with the desktop of choice > Be careful and don't include any Gnome/"Debian desktop". > Best of luck. Yes, this. In fact, you might consider installing a Server edition of the OS, and then adding a Desktop package. There's not much difference between Desktop and Server editions. Servers include things like a web server and ssh server, but lack an integrated desktop. It's a lot easier to remove web servers and ssh servers. Jeff
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| From | Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-23 02:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GnvCp-3QI4-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #257486 |
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On 23/4/23 04:49, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > > Be careful and don't include any Gnome/"Debian desktop". > > When you select a desktop install with standard Debian you don't have lot of control over what is installed. And that's even with an advanced install. Personally I use only Mate but it's riddled with Gnome components that I can't easily remove. For instance the Gnome NetworkManager widget is installed despite me not using NetworkManager and I can't find a way to remove it. On other O/S you could (can?) generate a 'packing list' of all the components you wanted to install and use that to build your system. I expect Debian 11 has that ability but it's not something that is immediately obvious. -- Jeremy (Lists)
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| From | songbird <songbird@anthive.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-23 02:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GnvVL-3QOZ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #257493 |
Jeremy Ardley wrote: ... > Personally I use only Mate but it's riddled with Gnome components that I > can't easily remove. For instance the Gnome NetworkManager widget is > installed despite me not using NetworkManager and I can't find a way to > remove it. > > On other O/S you could (can?) generate a 'packing list' of all the > components you wanted to install and use that to build your system. I > expect Debian 11 has that ability but it's not something that is > immediately obvious. somehow i've been running that way for quite some time on MATE in testing but i may have not installed every bit of a default installation or have removed things so it would go away. some other things i also do not run because i find them annoying. i'm sure i have some extras in here now that i do not really use at all but... here is my current mate- list from dpkg: ii debian-mate-default-settings 1.26.0-1 all Default settings for MATE on Debian ii libmate-desktop-2-17:amd64 1.26.0-1 amd64 Library with common API for various MATE modules (library) ii libmate-menu2:amd64 1.26.0-3 amd64 implementation of the freedesktop menu specification for MATE (library) ii libmate-panel-applet-4-1:amd64 1.27.0-1 amd64 library for MATE Panel applets ii libmate-panel-applet-dev 1.27.0-1 amd64 library for MATE Panel applets (development files) ii libmate-sensors-applet-plugin0 1.26.0-1 amd64 Library for plugins for the mate-sensors-applet package ii libmate-slab0:amd64 1.26.0-2 amd64 beautification app library ii libmate-window-settings1:amd64 1.26.0-2 amd64 utilities to configure the MATE desktop (window settings library) ii mate-applets 1.26.1-1 amd64 Various applets for the MATE panel ii mate-applets-common 1.26.1-1 all Various applets for the MATE panel (common files) ii mate-backgrounds 1.26.0-1 all Set of backgrounds packaged with the MATE Desktop Environment ii mate-calc 1.26.0-1 amd64 MATE desktop calculator ii mate-calc-common 1.26.0-1 all MATE desktop calculator (common files) ii mate-common 1.26.0-1 all common scripts and macros to develop with MATE ii mate-control-center 1.26.0-2 amd64 utilities to configure the MATE desktop ii mate-control-center-common 1.26.0-2 all utilities to configure the MATE desktop (common files) ii mate-desktop 1.26.0-1 amd64 Library with common API for various MATE modules ii mate-desktop-common 1.26.0-1 all Library with common API for various MATE modules (common files) ii mate-desktop-environment 1.26.0+1 all MATE Desktop Environment (metapackage) ii mate-desktop-environment-core 1.26.0+1 all MATE Desktop Environment (essential components, metapackage) ii mate-icon-theme 1.26.0-1 all MATE Desktop icon theme ii mate-indicator-applet 1.26.0-1 amd64 MATE panel indicator applet ii mate-indicator-applet-common 1.26.0-1 all MATE panel indicator applet (common files) ii mate-media 1.26.0-2 amd64 MATE media utilities ii mate-media-common 1.26.0-2 all MATE media utilities (common files) ii mate-menus 1.26.0-3 all implementation of the freedesktop menu specification for MATE ii mate-notification-daemon 1.26.0-1 amd64 daemon to display passive popup notifications ii mate-notification-daemon-common 1.26.0-1 all daemon to display passive popup notifications (common files) ii mate-panel 1.27.0-1 amd64 launcher and docking facility for MATE ii mate-panel-common 1.27.0-1 all launcher and docking facility for MATE (common files) ii mate-polkit:amd64 1.26.1-1 amd64 MATE authentication agent for PolicyKit-1 ii mate-polkit-common 1.26.1-1 amd64 MATE authentication agent for PolicyKit-1 (common files) ii mate-screensaver 1.26.1-1 amd64 MATE screen saver and locker ii mate-screensaver-common 1.26.1-1 all MATE screen saver and locker (common files) ii mate-sensors-applet 1.26.0-1 amd64 Display readings from hardware sensors in your MATE panel ii mate-sensors-applet-common 1.26.0-1 all Display readings from hardware sensors in your MATE panel (common files) ii mate-session-manager 1.26.0-1 amd64 Session manager of the MATE desktop environment ii mate-settings-daemon 1.26.0-1 amd64 daemon handling the MATE session settings ii mate-settings-daemon-common 1.26.0-1 all daemon handling the MATE session settings (common files) ii mate-system-monitor 1.26.0-1 amd64 Process viewer and system resource monitor for MATE ii mate-system-monitor-common 1.26.0-1 all Process viewer and system resource monitor for MATE (common files) ii mate-terminal 1.26.0-1 amd64 MATE terminal emulator application ii mate-terminal-common 1.26.0-1 all MATE terminal emulator application (common files) ii mate-themes 3.22.23-1 all Official themes for the MATE desktop ii mate-tweak 22.10.0-2 all MATE desktop tweak tool ii mate-user-guide 1.26.0-1 all User documentation for MATE Desktop Environment ii mate-utils 1.26.0-1 amd64 MATE desktop utilities ii mate-utils-common 1.26.0-1 all MATE desktop utilities (common files) use at your own discretion. :) songbird
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| From | Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-24 00:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GnQdP-43nz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #257493 |
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On 4/22/23 17:12, Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > > On 23/4/23 04:49, Peter Ehlert wrote: >> >> >> >> Be careful and don't include any Gnome/"Debian desktop". >> >> > When you select a desktop install with standard Debian you don't have > lot of control over what is installed. And that's even with an > advanced install. > I assume you are seeing a list of desktops to select from during the install... "standard Debian" (or whatever it's called) is kinda Gnome Lite. it's automatically selected = uncheck that box! > Personally I use only Mate but it's riddled with Gnome components that > I can't easily remove. For instance the Gnome NetworkManager widget is > installed despite me not using NetworkManager and I can't find a way > to remove it. > I too only use Mate. to be fair Gnome creates a lot of Good packages that are used in almost all desktop environments that are not actually the Gnome Desktop. My Mate has a dozen or two with "gnome" in the package name > On other O/S you could (can?) generate a 'packing list' of all the > components you wanted to install and use that to build your system. I > expect Debian 11 has that ability but it's not something that is > immediately obvious. > > -- > Jeremy > (Lists)
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