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  my immature thoughts on perl coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-04 04:40 +0200
    Re: my immature thoughts on perl Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-04 05:00 +0200
    Re: my immature thoughts on perl David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-04 05:40 +0200
    Re: my immature thoughts on perl coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-04 06:00 +0200
      Re: my immature thoughts on perl <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-04 07:00 +0200
        Re: my immature thoughts on perl Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-04 13:20 +0200
          Re: my immature thoughts on perl <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-04 13:30 +0200
            Re: my immature thoughts on perl Ken Peng <k.peng@att.net> - 2023-04-04 13:50 +0200
    Re: my immature thoughts on perl Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2023-04-04 06:10 +0200
      Re: my immature thoughts on perl Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-04-04 10:40 +0200
    Re: my immature thoughts on perl john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2023-04-04 09:10 +0200
    Re: my immature thoughts on perl Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-04 15:50 +0200
      Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-07 21:30 +0200
        Re: my immature thoughts on perl "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-04-07 22:10 +0200
          Re: my immature thoughts on perl <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-08 07:40 +0200
            Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 14:40 +0200
              Re: my immature thoughts on perl <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-09 07:20 +0200
                Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: my immature thoughts on perl Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-04-09 17:20 +0200
                  Re: my immature thoughts on perl "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-04-09 17:30 +0200
                    Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-09 17:50 +0200
                  Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-09 17:40 +0200
        Re: my immature thoughts on perl coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-08 01:10 +0200
          Re: my immature thoughts on perl <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-08 07:40 +0200
            Re: my immature thoughts on perl davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-04-08 08:10 +0200
              Re: my immature thoughts on perl <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-09 07:20 +0200
          Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 14:50 +0200
            Re: my immature thoughts on perl Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-04-08 18:30 +0200
              Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 18:50 +0200
                Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 19:00 +0200
      Re: my immature thoughts on perl Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 17:00 +0200

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#256979

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> You don't want to believe that - Epimenides the Cretan
> asserts that "all Cretans are liars"

Face it, the Greek invented it, the Italians (Romans)
perfected/spread it ...

All honor to diplomacy, you are not going to expect me to say
anything else, I think our advantages to the game - let's just
say part of the game is getting the advantages.

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#256977

Stefan Monnier wrote:

>>>> I usually taunt people with "All generalizations suck".
>>>
>>> Can't it be the exception to confirm the rule?
>>
>> There is a barber in Crete who shaves all men who don't
>> shave themselves
>
> You're just pointing out that *impredicative*
> generalizations suck even more than the rest.

While - and quite obvious to most observers - or I should say
"clear", not obvious - still, it's enough to function as an
example to the opposite.

[ Note: This is assuming an inclusive superset. And to be
  honest, I stayed att that assumption since - indeed - how
  would that work - inheritance would be one the transparent
  or multiple interface allowed but in practice you tend to
  use, I don't know, two or three hundreds, tops? ]

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#256846

On 08/04/2023 03:28, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Andy Smith wrote:
> 
>> I think you should use Ruby if you like Ruby better!
> 
> Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best language.
> But everything else isn't as good.

The Language Wars Are Over: ChatGPT Won
https://bourgoin.dev/posts/programming-languages/

regards.

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On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 07:06:28AM +0800, coreyh@free.fr wrote:
> On 08/04/2023 03:28, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > Andy Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > I think you should use Ruby if you like Ruby better!
> > 
> > Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best language.
> > But everything else isn't as good.
> 
> The Language Wars Are Over: ChatGPT Won
> https://bourgoin.dev/posts/programming-languages/

Given the usual quality of Microsoft's output, it won't make
a big difference.

I'm looking forward towards the days that thing feeds back
on itself and its output won't be much different from random
noise (or perhaps from its first few eigenvectors).

Personally, I'm not on speaking terms with that thing.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#256856

On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 07:06:28AM +0800, coreyh@free.fr wrote:
>> On 08/04/2023 03:28, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>>> Andy Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you should use Ruby if you like Ruby better!
>>>
>>> Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best language.
>>> But everything else isn't as good.
>>
>> The Language Wars Are Over: ChatGPT Won
>> https://bourgoin.dev/posts/programming-languages/
>
> Given the usual quality of Microsoft's output, it won't make
> a big difference.

"It looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like some help?"

> I'm looking forward towards the days that thing feeds back
> on itself and its output won't be much different from random
> noise (or perhaps from its first few eigenvectors).
>
> Personally, I'm not on speaking terms with that thing.

Clippy 2.0 has a hype train, and my BS detector is blazing like a
forest fire.

-- 
I don't wanna hear about what the rich are doing
I don't wanna go to where where the rich are going
-- The Clash

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On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 06:08:31AM +0000, davidson wrote:

[...]

> Clippy 2.0 has a hype train, and my BS detector is blazing like a
> forest fire.

Thank you for that one: "ChatGPT: Clippy Strikes Back".

Cheers
-- 
t

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#256864

coreyh wrote:

>>> I think you should use Ruby if you like Ruby better!
>>
>> Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best language.
>> But everything else isn't as good.
>
> The Language Wars Are Over: ChatGPT Won
> https://bourgoin.dev/posts/programming-languages/

Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the properties
(stuff possible to express and do) in a programming language
encoded, and then count them to determine what language is the
most powerful.

Then we should take that language and simplify everything and
make it shorter.

So we start with everything, then make it smaller. it's the
new maximalist/minimalist view which is debated so much in the
media these days.

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underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#256903

> Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the properties
> (stuff possible to express and do) in a programming language
> encoded, and then count them to determine what language is the
> most powerful.

We know that except for some particularly limited languages, they'll all
mutually equivalent.


        Stefan

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#256906

Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the properties
>> (stuff possible to express and do) in a programming
>> language encoded, and then count them to determine what
>> language is the most powerful.
>
> We know that except for some particularly limited languages,
> they'll all mutually equivalent.

Of course :)

No, I mean on an applied level and readily available so
from/using the language ...

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#256910

>>> Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the
>>> properties (stuff possible to express and do) in
>>> a programming language encoded, and then count them to
>>> determine what language is the most powerful.
>>
>> We know that except for some particularly limited
>> languages, they'll all mutually equivalent.
>
> Of course :)
>
> No, I mean on an applied level and readily available so
> from/using the language ...

Is the Unix model universal or limited, if it is limited, how
close did we come to the limit?

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#256889

Andy Smith wrote:

> That is, why are you asking people to convince you to like
> Perl? There are lots of languages and you appear to have
> found one you like better.

Maybe there is no answer in particular why Perl has
it's trajectory. Maybe it can't be expressed in a formula.
But I just get the feeling that it can?

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