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| First post | 2023-04-02 11:00 +0200 |
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Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-02 11:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-02 11:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 11:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2023-04-02 11:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Steve Sobol <steve@LobosStudios.com> - 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 18:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-02 18:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 19:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-02 20:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 21:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 21:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 21:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-04-03 00:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 00:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Steve Sobol <steve@LobosStudios.com> - 2023-04-03 01:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 04:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 05:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-03 06:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-03 06:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-03 06:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 11:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 15:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-02 21:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 02:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Ken Young <ken@highwinds.cloud> - 2023-04-03 02:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 01:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 19:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-04-02 22:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 22:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-04-02 23:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 22:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 01:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-02 22:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 23:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-03 06:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-03 06:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-03 07:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 08:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 09:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 10:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 11:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 13:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-04-03 15:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 18:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Oliver Schoede <oliver.schode@online.de> - 2023-04-02 23:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 00:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 03:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-03 05:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 05:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-03 06:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-04 02:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-04-04 05:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-04 15:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-04-05 00:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2023-04-03 00:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 01:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 02:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> - 2023-04-03 23:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2023-04-04 00:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2023-04-08 16:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-08 18:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 18:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 18:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2023-04-08 19:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2023-04-08 21:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 21:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-04-09 05:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2023-04-04 04:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-04-08 16:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 17:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2023-04-11 04:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 04:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-02 23:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2023-04-02 23:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 23:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 00:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 23:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 05:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 20:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 20:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 20:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 15:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 20:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-03 20:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 21:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-04-08 05:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 15:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 22:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-03 22:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 22:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2023-04-05 12:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2023-04-05 12:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-04-05 12:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-05 13:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-05 13:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-04-05 14:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-05 14:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-04-05 13:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 21:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-03 05:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 18:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 19:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-04-03 19:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 19:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-04-03 19:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 19:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 19:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2023-04-03 20:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 15:10 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-08 15:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 15:30 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-09 00:20 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? conover@panix.com (John Conover) - 2023-04-09 05:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-04 15:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-04-04 15:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-04 16:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-04-04 19:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-04 19:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-04-04 20:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-04 21:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:40 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 16:50 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 17:00 +0200
Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-08 17:10 +0200
Computer anthropology and language wars [was: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-03 19:50 +0200
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| From | coreyh@free.fr |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 11:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? |
| Message-ID | <Gg1J8-gNOp-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl. is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux? Thanks.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 11:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gg1SN-gO7n-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256611 |
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On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 04:59:15PM +0800, coreyh@free.fr wrote: > I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl. > is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux? That depends. (Sorry: the answer is more or less as unspecific as the question( Cheers -- t
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 11:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gg2ca-gOfo-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256611 |
coreyh wrote: > I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written > by perl. And in C? > is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux? If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter a little bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot. Most guys know one or two things really well and then enough to get by everywhere else, so there's where I'd put Python and Perl respectively, this day and age ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 11:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gg2vv-gOms-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256613 |
M.I.T. is giving python's compiler some long overdue love which should speed it up considerably. -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Sun, 2 Apr 2023, Emanuel Berg wrote: > coreyh wrote: > > > I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written > > by perl. > > And in C? > > > is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux? > > If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but > there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter a little > bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot. > > Most guys know one or two things really well and then enough > to get by everywhere else, so there's where I'd put Python and > Perl respectively, this day and age ... > >
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ggedj-gVMh-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256613 |
Steve Sobol wrote: >> If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but >> there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter >> a little bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot. > > I'm seeing scripts written in Python far more often than > Perl these days 100%, it's much more popular. > but it is probably useful to at least be familiar with both Right. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | Steve Sobol <steve@LobosStudios.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ggedj-gVMh-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256613 |
On 2023-04-02 02:24, Emanuel Berg wrote: > If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but > there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter a little > bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot. I'm seeing scripts written in Python far more often than Perl these days, but it is probably useful to at least be familiar with both. There are some very popular software packages, like Sympa and RT, that are written in Perl. Both are currently maintained and have dropped new releases recently.
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gg8Uh-gSn2-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256611 |
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On Sun, Apr 2, 2023, 3:59 AM <coreyh@free.fr> wrote: > I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl. > is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux? > I first wrote perl on unix/linux in 1991. The first python I wrote was about 10 years later. By that time the Redhat/fedora/CentOS distro had hundreds of thousands of lines of python thruout it. I built the perl interpreter from source on IBM mainframes by 1994. Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in perl were fake :-) because it was another fad. You can feel the difference in python. 3 styles you could code in python: old-fashioned procedural, functional like lisp, or modern OO. Thanks. > >
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gg8Uh-gSn2-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256617 |
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On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 11:31:50AM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the > European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in > perl were fake :-) because it was another fad. You can feel the difference > in python. 3 styles you could code in python: old-fashioned procedural, > functional like lisp, or modern OO. But Python's lambdas are preposterous (not so Perl's ;-) Cheers -- t
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gg9wZ-gSQl-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256618 |
tomas wrote: >> Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and >> more in the European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly >> that the OO features in perl were fake :-) because it was >> another fad. You can feel the difference in python. >> 3 styles you could code in python: old-fashioned >> procedural, functional like lisp, or modern OO. > > But Python's lambdas are preposterous (not so Perl's ;-) Well, can't compare either to Lisp, the Pythagorean theorem of computing ... But development is faster with Python, it's a painful yet true fact that an average Python programmer can do in x time what skilled lispers can do in ... uhm, x + n time? Or something! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgaW5-gTAs-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256619 |
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On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 07:14:06PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: [...] > But development is faster with Python [...] Is it? Is it /better/, then? Remember. All generalizations suck. Cheers -- t
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ggb5M-gTDU-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256621 |
tomas wrote: >> But development is faster with Python [...] > > Is it? Yes. > Is it /better/, then? In that regard, yes. > Remember. All generalizations suck. Is it better to be all-around, or to be a specialist? Well, in general it's better to be all-around ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ggbp7-gU14-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256622 |
Greg Wooledge wrote: >>>> But development is faster with Python [...] >>> >>> Is it? >> >> Yes. > > Development is fastest using whatever language you know > best. This is not an objective argument. Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do in Lisp, or, if you will, the same in less time. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-02 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgbyN-gU4t-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256623 |
>>>>> But development is faster with Python [...] >>>> >>>> Is it? >>> >>> Yes. >> >> Development is fastest using whatever language you know >> best. This is not an objective argument. > > Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in > Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do in Lisp, or, > if you will, the same in less time. Lisp is a maximalist, universal language. Python is designed with certain aspects in mind. And quite successfully so! But, as I mentioned, it's not just the language itself, Python has this huge superstructure of support material/assets in different forms. That part becomes a chicken and egg discussion, but it's a fact anyway. Python is huge while Lisp is the underground. So the languages themselves, for whatever reasons (1), and the different sizes of the superstructures (2), for these two reasons and possibly others as well (?) it is just faster, less threshold, with Python. It's completely natural and we see it all the time. One hockey player is a power forward, another a playmaker (passer), a third a goal scorer, a forth a physical defenseman, and the fifth Mr Everything who can do it all. And in practice, to win the world championship, the defensive, physical player may have to end up scoring the game winning goal! It happens, just not as often as with the goal scorer. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | debian-user@howorth.org.uk |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgdTY-gVpi-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256623 |
Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >>>> But development is faster with Python [...] > >>> > >>> Is it? > >> > >> Yes. > > > > Development is fastest using whatever language you know > > best. This is not an objective argument. > > Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in > Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do in Lisp, or, if > you will, the same in less time. I'm afraid that Python has one specific feature that puts me off. Sensitivity to indentation. To those who first had to learn 'make', it's a sin that cannot be forgiven. I'll admit that when I first saw perl, I thought it was horrific and I swore to continue using awk and C and ... anything but perl. But then one day $job required me to learn perl so I did and have been a convert ever since.
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 00:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Gge3D-gVIg-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256637 |
debian-user wrote: >>> Development is fastest using whatever language you know >>> best. This is not an objective argument. >> >> Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in >> Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do in Lisp, or, >> if you will, the same in less time. > > I'm afraid that Python has one specific feature that puts me > off. Sensitivity to indentation. To those who first had to > learn 'make', it's a sin that cannot be forgiven. I know, I absolutely don't like it but I think maybe it is actually beneficial for the speed aspect since you don't fiddle around with it manually in order to get it to look your way ... Erlang, Haskell are notorious for this because of the emphasis on pattern matching, people spend hours aligning back and forth to make the code look logical as well ... > I'll admit that when I first saw perl, I thought it was > horrific and I swore to continue using awk and C and ... > anything but perl. But then one day $job required me to > learn perl so I did and have been a convert ever since. C looks much better than Perl but Python also don't look good, C looks better. But Lisp also looks good - well, often! C almost always looks good. C U! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | Steve Sobol <steve@LobosStudios.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 01:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgeZH-gWhy-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256637 |
On 2023-04-02 14:57, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote: > I'll admit that when I first saw perl, I thought it was horrific and I > swore to continue using awk and C and ... anything but perl. But then > one day $job required me to learn perl so I did and have been a convert > ever since. Perl definitely has the edge when you're working with text. CPAN, however.... Ooohhhh, CPAN. I can't even think about CPAN without my blood pressure rising. (Don't ask. Just know that CPAN's stupidity has caused me untold amounts of grief.)
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 04:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ggi7f-gYd9-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256637 |
On 4/2/23 14:57, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote: > I'm afraid that Python has one specific feature that puts me off. > Sensitivity to indentation. To those who first had to learn 'make', > it's a sin that cannot be forgiven. +1 Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use it. Whitespace as syntax would only make that harder. David
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| From | Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 05:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgjmF-gYSN-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256658 |
David Christensen wrote: > Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use > it. Whitespace as syntax would only make that harder. But if the whitespace is semantic, there's no saying it can't be used to produce even more - indeed, of its own kind, even. In Computer Security it is known as the "whiteout" attack vector. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 06:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgkiJ-gZya-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256664 |
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On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 05:44:31AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > > > Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use > > it. Whitespace as syntax would only make that harder. > > But if the whitespace is semantic, there's no saying it can't > be used to produce even more - indeed, of its own kind, even. [1] Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) -- t
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2023-04-03 06:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GgkiJ-gZya-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #256658 |
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On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 07:24:25PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 4/2/23 14:57, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > I'm afraid that Python has one specific feature that puts me off. > > Sensitivity to indentation. To those who first had to learn 'make', > > it's a sin that cannot be forgiven. > > +1 > > > Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use it. Whitespace > as syntax would only make that harder. It does. Python lambdas /have/ to be one-liners. Guido Van Rossum's comment on that is "well, Python isn't Lisp". More power to him, les Python for me :) Cheers -- t
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