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  Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-02-21 21:20 +0100
    Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2023-02-21 21:50 +0100
      Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-02-21 22:20 +0100
        Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2023-02-21 22:30 +0100
          Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 22:50 +0100
            Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2023-02-21 23:00 +0100
              Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 23:30 +0100
            Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-03-22 15:50 +0100
          Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Jeremy Hendricks <jwh1981@gmail.com> - 2023-02-22 21:50 +0100
            Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Jeremy Hendricks <jwh1981@gmail.com> - 2023-02-22 22:10 +0100
              Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-02-23 06:40 +0100

#255258 — Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

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I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
reason to replace it.

It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.

But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
work with GF108.

Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
"install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
them all in case you install some new hardware."

Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
hardware, even if it downloads all of them?

I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
drivers.

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#255261

On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a 
> reason to replace it.
> 
> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> 
> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't 
> work with GF108.
> 
> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of 
> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download them 
> all in case you install some new hardware."
> 
> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant 
> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> 
> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the 
> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant drivers.
> 


Hi!

It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11 
(bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again, 
then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's 
installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's proprietary 
drivers - nvidia-*.

Kind regards
Georgi

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#255264

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On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't
> > see a 
> > reason to replace it.
> > 
> > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > 
> > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > doesn't 
> > work with GF108.
> > 
> > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > instead of 
> > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
> > them 
> > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > 
> > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant 
> > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > 
> > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the 
> > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
> > drivers.
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11 
> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again, 
> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> proprietary 
> drivers - nvidia-*.

I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct
driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
downloaded.

> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

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#255266

On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
>>> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
>>> reason to replace it.
>>>
>>> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
>>>
>>> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
>>> work with GF108.
>>>
>>> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
>>> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download them
>>> all in case you install some new hardware."
>>>
>>> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
>>> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
>>>
>>> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
>>> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant 
>>> drivers.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11
>> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again,
>> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
>> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's proprietary
>> drivers - nvidia-*.
> 
> I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the 
> problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct 
> driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are downloaded.


There is a package nvidia-detect

it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video card.

Kind regards
Georgi

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#255269

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If I dont get wrong,nvidia created one single driver which works for every
gpu or almost ? it means that if I install the 525 driver for my RTX 2080
ti will it work also for my old gpu,GTX 1060 ?

Il mar 21 feb 2023, 22:28 Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> ha scritto:

> On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> >> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> >>> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
> >>> reason to replace it.
> >>>
> >>> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> >>>
> >>> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
> >>> work with GF108.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
> >>> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
> them
> >>> all in case you install some new hardware."
> >>>
> >>> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
> >>> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> >>>
> >>> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
> >>> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
> >>> drivers.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11
> >> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again,
> >> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
> >> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's proprietary
> >> drivers - nvidia-*.
> >
> > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
> > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct
> > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> downloaded.
>
>
> There is a package nvidia-detect
>
> it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video card.
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi
>
>

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#255273

On 2/21/23 23:45, Mario Marietto wrote:
> If I dont get wrong,nvidia created one single driver which works for 
> every gpu or almost ? it means that if I install the 525 driver for my 
> RTX 2080 ti will it work also for my old gpu,GTX 1060 ?
> 

AFIK, NVidia offers different driver generations and my understanding is 
that package nvidia-detect recommends which driver generation is the 
best for your video card.

Kind regards
Georgi

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#255274

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its not easy for me,because I have those GPUs on a single system. The OS
that im running is freebsd and I tried to virtualize debian 11 with bhyve
(hypervisor for freebsd). Well,debian accept the 2080 ti and I can use it
within debian guest,but the 1060 does not work. it is not initialized. I
tried to use the 525 for both. I cant use the 390 for both the GPU.

Il mar 21 feb 2023, 23:27 Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> ha
scritto:

> its not easy for me,because I have those GPUs on a single system. The OS
> that im running is freebsd and I tried to virtualize debian 11 with bhyve
> (hypervisor for freebsd). Well,debian accept the 2080 ti and I can use it
> within debian guest,but the 1060 does not work. it is not initialized. I
> tried to use the 525 for both. I cant use the 390 for both the GPU.
>
> Il mar 21 feb 2023, 22:57 Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> ha scritto:
>
>> On 2/21/23 23:45, Mario Marietto wrote:
>> > If I dont get wrong,nvidia created one single driver which works for
>> > every gpu or almost ? it means that if I install the 525 driver for my
>> > RTX 2080 ti will it work also for my old gpu,GTX 1060 ?
>> >
>>
>> AFIK, NVidia offers different driver generations and my understanding is
>> that package nvidia-detect recommends which driver generation is the
>> best for your video card.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Georgi
>>
>>

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#256266

On Tue 21 Feb 2023 at 14:36:21 (-0800), Van Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:45 +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> > If I dont get wrong,nvidia created one single driver which works for
> > every gpu or almost ? it means that if I install the 525 driver for
> > my RTX 2080 ti will it work also for my old gpu,GTX 1060 ? 
> 
> The 470 driver that the Debian installer chose doesn't work with GF108.
> Only the 390 driver works. If you look at one of the alternative text
> screens (not X) the load process is complaining about that -- but it
> took me a week to find that.

Perhaps https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
would have helped. Perhaps it needs an extra note adding.

Cheers,
David.

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#255300

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Van, what is the specific GPU you have? I know it’s GF108 but what is the
actual model?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:33 PM Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 23:27 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>
> On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>
> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
>
> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
> reason to replace it.
>
> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
>
> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
> work with GF108.
>
> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download them
> all in case you install some new hardware."
>
> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
>
> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
> drivers.
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11
> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again,
> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's proprietary
> drivers - nvidia-*.
>
>
> I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
> problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct
> driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are downloaded.
>
>
>
> There is a package nvidia-detect
>
> it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video card.
>
>
> Yeah, I used that. Why didn't the installer use it, and choose the 390
> driver instead of installing the 470 driver?
>
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi
>
>
>

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#255301

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I think I know why.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_series

They made Kepler and Fermi variants of the GT 630. The nvidia driver
probably wrongly assumes it’s Kepler.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 4:01 PM Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 15:43 -0500, Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
>
> Van, what is the specific GPU you have? I know it’s GF108 but what is the
> actual model?
>
>
> # nvidia-detect
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108
> [GeForce GT 630] [10de:0f00] (rev a1)
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:33 PM Van Snyder <van.snyder@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 23:27 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>
> On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>
> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
>
> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
> reason to replace it.
>
> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
>
> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
> work with GF108.
>
> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download them
> all in case you install some new hardware."
>
> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
>
> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
> drivers.
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11
> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again,
> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's proprietary
> drivers - nvidia-*.
>
>
> I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
> problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct
> driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are downloaded.
>
>
>
> There is a package nvidia-detect
>
> it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video card.
>
>
> Yeah, I used that. Why didn't the installer use it, and choose the 390
> driver instead of installing the 470 driver?
>
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi
>
>
>
>

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#255315

Jeremy Hendricks composed on 2023-02-22 16:02 (UTC-0500):

> I think I know why.
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_series

> They made Kepler and Fermi variants of the GT 630. The nvidia driver
> probably wrongly assumes it’s Kepler.

> Van Snyder composed on 2023-02-22 13:01 (UTC-0800):

>> # nvidia-detect
>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108
>> [GeForce GT 630] [10de:0f00] (rev a1)

>> Van Snyder wrote:

>> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
>> reason to replace it.

>> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.

>> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
>> work with GF108.

Jeremy's right you have a Fermi. Like mine it shouldn't need any proprietary driver:

# xdriinfo
Screen 0: nouveau
# inxi -C --vs
inxi 3.3.24-00 (2022-12-10)
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: AMD Phenom II X4 965 bits: 64 type: MCP cache:
    L2: 2 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 3423 min/max: N/A cores: 1: 3423 2: 3423 3: 3423 4: 3423
# inxi -GSaz --zl --hostname
System:
  Host: gb970 Kernel: 6.0.0-6-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 12.2.0 parameters: root=LABEL=<filter> ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0
    plymouth.enable=0 noresume mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 vga=791
    video=1440x900@60 5
  Desktop: Trinity v: R14.0.13 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
    vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau
    v: kernel non-free: series: 390.xx+ status: legacy-active (EOL~late 2022)

*** arch: Fermi code: GF1xx process: 40/28nm built: 2010-16 pcie: gen: 1 ***

    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1
    bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0f00 class-ID: 0300 temp: 46.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x254mm (30.00x10.00")
    s-diag: 803mm (31.62")
  Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM serial: <filter>
    built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2
    size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
    max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213
    serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2
    size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes:
    max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.3 Mesa 22.3.3 renderer: NVC1 direct-render: Yes

Same difference if using Bookworm.
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