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| Started by | Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2022-05-11 15:30 +0200 |
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google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2022-05-11 15:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 16:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 12:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-05-12 15:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-13 08:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-13 01:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "tv.debian" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2022-05-13 01:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-05-13 02:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 07:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 11:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 13:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 13:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 14:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 17:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 14:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 19:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 05:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 04:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 13:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 18:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 20:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 21:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 06:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-15 14:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 15:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-14 22:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 11:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email tomas@tuxteam.de - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 15:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 05:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 10:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-16 12:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 14:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2022-05-16 13:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 15:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 18:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 19:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2022-06-01 19:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 20:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email nemo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 17:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-02 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-06-02 20:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 20:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 14:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 14:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 16:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 15:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 19:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 03:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-08 06:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 14:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 18:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 18:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 18:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 19:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-03 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2022-05-11 22:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-05-12 04:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 22:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 22:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 22:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Edwin Zimmerman <edwin@plainemail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email wec <wec@upwardmail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 03:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-05 03:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 06:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 03:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-06-05 03:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
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| From | <paulf@quillandmouse.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-02 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EtXK1-25Cn-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248676 |
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:13:14 AM nemo wrote: > > Me too except today it doesn't seem to be working. must test but I > > think I've been shut out, using Alpine with non-secure apps > > switched on. fjd > > My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on > Wheezy) stopped working around 8:30 am this morning. > > I set up an application specific password this morning, and that old > version of kmail (version 1.13.7 for kde 4.8.4 on Debian Wheezy) > works again using pop3 > > I had a little trouble setting it up until I got to the right place > in google -- I first tried to change the settings on the gmail > webclient page but couldn't find the correct options. Then logged in > on google.com and did find the correct option (Security), and then, > in general terms, turned on 2 step verification and eventually found > the option to set up an application specific password. > > I then entered that in place of the old passwords in kmail. (I don't > think it stated it -- I wasn't sure whether to enter the spaces as > part of the password or not -- I did, and that worked.) > I had this same problem starting about the same time. I was in the middle of another project and didn't have time to deal with it. Claw-Mail was issuing error alerts every 10 minutes as it would try to fetch gmail. However, as of about 30 minutes ago, it is now working again, and I did nothing to it. Paul -- Paul M. Foster Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster
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| From | Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-02 20:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EtXTH-25FM-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248677 |
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, paulf@quillandmouse.com wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400 > rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> >> My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on >> Wheezy) stopped working around 8:30 am this morning. >> >> I set up an application specific password this morning, and that old >> version of kmail (version 1.13.7 for kde 4.8.4 on Debian Wheezy) >> works again using pop3 >> >> I had a little trouble setting it up until I got to the right place >> in google -- I first tried to change the settings on the gmail >> webclient page but couldn't find the correct options. Then logged in >> on google.com and did find the correct option (Security), and then, >> in general terms, turned on 2 step verification and eventually found >> the option to set up an application specific password. >> >> I then entered that in place of the old passwords in kmail. (I don't >> think it stated it -- I wasn't sure whether to enter the spaces as >> part of the password or not -- I did, and that worked.) >> > > I had this same problem starting about the same time. I was in the > middle of another project and didn't have time to deal with it. > Claw-Mail was issuing error alerts every 10 minutes as it would try to > fetch gmail. > > However, as of about 30 minutes ago, it is now working again, and I did > nothing to it. > > Paul that's my experience too - right now email via Alpine seems to be working again. however I do intend to follow rhkramer's path and do the 2fa and the "app-specific password" two-step. guess Google's still trying to figure out which 3rd-party clients they dislike. fjd -- Davis Verbum sat sapienti.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 14:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuABI-2uB4-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248678 |
On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go > away at some point in the future. > Bullshit.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuAV3-2uWz-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248734 |
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 11:50:55AM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > > > > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go > > away at some point in the future. > > > > Bullshit. Famous last word. -- t
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuCWR-2wae-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248735 |
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2022-06-04, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Bullshit. > > > > Famous last word. > > > > I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your > dime-a-dozen opinions. This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not. Cheers -- t
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| From | Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuDge-2wgl-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248738 |
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -0000, Curt wrote: >> On 2022-06-04, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: >>> >>>>> >> >>>> Bullshit. >>> >>> Famous last word. >>> >> >> I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your >> dime-a-dozen opinions. > > This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not. the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture! we have an announcement of Google's intent. let's see if they carry it out. and if they follow through, there is a work-around which rhkramer and others have used. I'm kinda thinking they are wrangling among themselves. but we don't have to. fjd -- Davis Verbum sat sapienti.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuG4p-2xYC-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248741 |
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 04:39:39PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: [...] > the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture! That one's good :-) Thanks for a hearty laugh! Cheers -- t
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuCWR-2wae-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248735 |
On 2022-06-04, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > >> > >> Bullshit. > > Famous last word. > I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your dime-a-dozen opinions.
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| From | Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuCk9-2vIX-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248734 |
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 -0000 (UTC)
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
>> Bullshit.
>>
> Well!
>
> What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> put explanation.
>
> I'm convinced.
>
>
not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon know
what's going on.
I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't
get off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work
with (or against) other committees.
for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.
fjd
--
Davis
Verbum sat sapienti.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuCtP-2vLP-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248736 |
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 -0000 (UTC)
> > Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Curt,
> >
> > > Bullshit.
> > >
> > Well!
> >
> > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> > put explanation.
> >
> > I'm convinced.
> >
> >
>
> not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon know what's
> going on.
>
> I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
> off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
> against) other committees.
I think they do constant A/B testing. Perhaps they have a built-in feedback
loop (increase B if A loses less than a given fraction or something).
> for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.
They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
;-P
Cheers
--
t
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| From | Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 19:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuFL3-2xSj-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248737 |
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
>> off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
>> against) other committees.
>
> I think they do constant A/B testing. Perhaps they have a built-in feedback
> loop (increase B if A loses less than a given fraction or something).
>
>> for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.
I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the
app-specific setting.
> They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
>
I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.
fjd
--
Davis
Verbum sat sapienti.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuG4p-2xYC-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248750 |
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific > setting. > > > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship. > > > > I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see. I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-) Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-) Cheers -- t
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| From | Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 03:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EvSPU-3k2E-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248752 |
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: >> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > >> I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific >> setting. >> >>> They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship. >>> >> >> I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see. > > I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-) > > Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-) > > Cheers sometimes it fails to function though. be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now. fjd -- Davis Verbum sat sapienti.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 06:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EvVNL-3mG6-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248864 |
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 03:38:42AM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific > > > setting. > > > > > > > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship. > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see. > > > > I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-) > > > > Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-) > > > > Cheers > > sometimes it fails to function though. > > be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into effect > and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". > > I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now. I wasn't clear enough, it seems. With "sinking ship" I was rather referring to Google "mail". Cheers -- t
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 14:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ew3ih-3rdU-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248864 |
On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote: > be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into > effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". > > I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now. I'm curious about the same thing -- I suspect not, and not sure when / if I'll test it. It would be nice if someone knew.
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| From | Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 18:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ew6g9-3sZD-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248872 |
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote: >> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into >> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". >> >> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now. > > I'm curious about the same thing -- I suspect not, and not sure when / if I'll > test it. It would be nice if someone knew. that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what is the connection between: (1) 2-step auth (2) app-specific pw I would have thought method (1) is good for getting back on board if you lose your pw. method (2) just seems like using a pw like one always does except it's handed to you. I may go empirical and try to cancel 2-step and see. I'd rather learn from others. fjd -- Davis Verbum sat sapienti.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ew6zv-3tm7-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248873 |
On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote: >>> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into >>> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password". >>> >>> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now. >> >> I'm curious about the same thing -- I suspect not, and not sure when / if I'll >> test it. It would be nice if someone knew. > > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what > is the connection between: > > (1) 2-step auth > (2) app-specific pw Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2).
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 18:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ew6Jb-3tpQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248875 |
On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote: > On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote: > > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what > > is the connection between: > > > > (1) 2-step auth > > (2) app-specific pw > > Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2). But, once you've created (2), can you turn (1) back off (and still have (2) work)?
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-06-08 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Ew7vz-3tZw-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248876 |
On 2022-06-08, rhkramer@gmail.com <rhkramer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote: >> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote: >> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what >> > is the connection between: >> > >> > (1) 2-step auth >> > (2) app-specific pw >> >> Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2). > > But, once you've created (2), can you turn (1) back off (and still have (2) > work)? > > Try it and report back. I doubt anything untoward that might happen will be irrevocable (although you never know, do you). -
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EuCWR-2wae-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #248734 |
On 2022-06-04, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > >>Bullshit. >> > Well! > > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently > put explanation. > > I'm convinced. > That's what's missing from *your* affirmation and the very reason it is pure bullshit.
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