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google account say it will no longer deliver email

Started byFero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com>
First post2022-05-11 15:30 +0200
Last post2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
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  google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 15:30 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2022-05-11 15:40 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 16:40 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:00 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:20 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:50 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 12:10 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-05-12 15:40 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 20:10 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 21:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-13 08:00 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-13 01:10 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "tv.debian" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2022-05-13 01:40 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-05-13 02:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 07:20 +0200
                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 11:40 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 13:40 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 13:50 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 14:10 +0200
                          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 17:20 +0200
                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 14:50 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 19:30 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 05:10 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 04:50 +0200
                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 13:50 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 15:30 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 18:40 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 20:50 +0200
                          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 21:00 +0200
                            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 21:30 +0200
                              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 06:40 +0200
                                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-15 14:00 +0200
                                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 15:50 +0200
                          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-14 22:20 +0200
                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 11:00 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email tomas@tuxteam.de - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 15:10 +0200
                          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 05:40 +0200
                            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 10:10 +0200
                              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-16 12:00 +0200
                                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 14:40 +0200
                            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2022-05-16 13:10 +0200
                            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 15:40 +0200
                              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 18:00 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 19:10 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2022-06-01 19:50 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 20:40 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email nemo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 17:20 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-02 20:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-06-02 20:30 +0200
                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 20:40 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 14:00 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 14:20 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
                          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 16:50 +0200
                            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 15:50 +0200
                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:00 +0200
                          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 19:30 +0200
                            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
                              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 03:40 +0200
                                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-08 06:50 +0200
                                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 14:50 +0200
                                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 18:00 +0200
                                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 18:20 +0200
                                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 18:30 +0200
                                        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 19:20 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-03 21:00 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:30 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 21:00 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2022-05-11 22:00 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-05-12 04:00 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 22:20 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 22:30 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 21:00 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:10 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 22:40 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:50 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Edwin Zimmerman <edwin@plainemail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:40 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email wec <wec@upwardmail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:20 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
                  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 03:00 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-05 03:10 +0200
                      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 06:10 +0200
                    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 03:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-06-05 03:50 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200

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#248677

From<paulf@quillandmouse.com>
Date2022-06-02 20:30 +0200
Message-ID<EtXK1-25Cn-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248676
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:13:14 AM nemo wrote:
> > Me too except today it doesn't seem to be working. must test but I
> > think I've been shut out, using Alpine with non-secure apps
> > switched on. fjd
> 
> My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on
> Wheezy) stopped working around 8:30 am this morning. 
> 
> I set up an application specific password this morning, and that old
> version of kmail (version 1.13.7 for kde 4.8.4 on Debian Wheezy)
> works again using pop3 
> 
> I had a little trouble setting it up until I got to the right place
> in google -- I first tried to change the settings on the gmail
> webclient page but couldn't find the correct options.  Then logged in
> on google.com and did find the correct option (Security), and then,
> in general terms, turned on 2 step verification and eventually found
> the option to set up an application specific password.
> 
> I then entered that in place of the old passwords in kmail.  (I don't
> think it stated it -- I wasn't sure whether to enter the spaces as
> part of the password or not -- I did, and that worked.)
> 

I had this same problem starting about the same time. I was in the
middle of another project and didn't have time to deal with it.
Claw-Mail was issuing error alerts every 10 minutes as it would try to
fetch gmail.

However, as of about 30 minutes ago, it is now working again, and I did
nothing to it.

Paul


-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
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#248678

FromFelmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com>
Date2022-06-02 20:40 +0200
Message-ID<EtXTH-25FM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248677
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, paulf@quillandmouse.com wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400
> rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on
>> Wheezy) stopped working around 8:30 am this morning.
>>
>> I set up an application specific password this morning, and that old
>> version of kmail (version 1.13.7 for kde 4.8.4 on Debian Wheezy)
>> works again using pop3
>>
>> I had a little trouble setting it up until I got to the right place
>> in google -- I first tried to change the settings on the gmail
>> webclient page but couldn't find the correct options.  Then logged in
>> on google.com and did find the correct option (Security), and then,
>> in general terms, turned on 2 step verification and eventually found
>> the option to set up an application specific password.
>>
>> I then entered that in place of the old passwords in kmail.  (I don't
>> think it stated it -- I wasn't sure whether to enter the spaces as
>> part of the password or not -- I did, and that worked.)
>>
>
> I had this same problem starting about the same time. I was in the
> middle of another project and didn't have time to deal with it.
> Claw-Mail was issuing error alerts every 10 minutes as it would try to
> fetch gmail.
>
> However, as of about 30 minutes ago, it is now working again, and I did
> nothing to it.
>
> Paul

that's my experience too - right now email via Alpine seems to be 
working again.

however I do intend to follow rhkramer's path and do the 2fa 
and the "app-specific password" two-step.

guess Google's still trying to figure out which 3rd-party clients they 
dislike.

fjd

-- 
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#248734

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2022-06-04 14:00 +0200
Message-ID<EuABI-2uB4-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248678
On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
> Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
> away at some point in the future.
>

Bullshit.

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#248735

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2022-06-04 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<EuAV3-2uWz-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 11:50:55AM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
> > away at some point in the future.
> >
> 
> Bullshit.

Famous last word.

-- 
t

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#248738

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Message-ID<EuCWR-2wae-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-04, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> 
> >> Bullshit.
> >
> > Famous last word.
> >
> 
> I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
> dime-a-dozen opinions.

This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#248741

FromFelmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com>
Date2022-06-04 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<EuDge-2wgl-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248738
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -0000, Curt wrote:
>> On 2022-06-04, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Famous last word.
>>>
>>
>> I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
>> dime-a-dozen opinions.
>
> This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not.

the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture!

we have an announcement of Google's intent. let's see if they carry it 
out. and if they follow through, there is a work-around which rhkramer 
and others have used.

I'm kinda thinking they are wrangling among themselves. but we don't 
have to.

fjd

-- 
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#248753

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
Message-ID<EuG4p-2xYC-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 04:39:39PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:

[...]

> the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture!

That one's good :-)

Thanks for a hearty laugh!

Cheers
-- 
t

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#248740

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Message-ID<EuCWR-2wae-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248735
On 2022-06-04, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
>> >

>> Bullshit.
>
> Famous last word.
>

I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
dime-a-dozen opinions.

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#248736

FromFelmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com>
Date2022-06-04 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<EuCk9-2vIX-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248734
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 -0000 (UTC)
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
>> Bullshit.
>>
> Well!
>
> What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> put explanation.
>
> I'm convinced.
>
>

not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon know 
what's going on.

I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't 
get off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work 
with (or against) other committees.

for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.

fjd

-- 
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#248737

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2022-06-04 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<EuCtP-2vLP-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248736

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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 -0000 (UTC)
> > Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Curt,
> > 
> > > Bullshit.
> > > 
> > Well!
> > 
> > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> > put explanation.
> > 
> > I'm convinced.
> > 
> > 
> 
> not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon know what's
> going on.
> 
> I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
> off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
> against) other committees.

I think they do constant A/B testing. Perhaps they have a built-in feedback
loop (increase B if A loses less than a given fraction or something).

> for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.

They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.

;-P

Cheers
-- 
t

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#248750

FromFelmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com>
Date2022-06-04 19:30 +0200
Message-ID<EuFL3-2xSj-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248737
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
>> off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
>> against) other committees.
>
> I think they do constant A/B testing. Perhaps they have a built-in feedback
> loop (increase B if A loses less than a given fraction or something).
>
>> for now, I still have Alpine with the app-specific setting.

I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the 
app-specific setting.

> They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
>

I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.

fjd


-- 
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#248752

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
Message-ID<EuG4p-2xYC-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific
> setting.
> 
> > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
> > 
> 
> I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.

I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-)

Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-)

Cheers
-- 
t

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#248864

FromFelmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com>
Date2022-06-08 03:40 +0200
Message-ID<EvSPU-3k2E-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248752
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific
>> setting.
>>
>>> They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
>>>
>>
>> I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.
>
> I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-)
>
> Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-)
>
> Cheers

sometimes it fails to function though.

be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into 
effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".

I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now.

fjd

-- 
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#248868

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2022-06-08 06:50 +0200
Message-ID<EvVNL-3mG6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248864

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On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 03:38:42AM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific
> > > setting.
> > > 
> > > > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm glad to have my Alpine still. we'll see.
> > 
> > I wasn't thinking of Alpine when I wrote "sinking ship" ;-)
> > 
> > Alpine is free software. Free software never sinks ;-) ;-)
> > 
> > Cheers
> 
> sometimes it fails to function though.
> 
> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into effect
> and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
> 
> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now.

I wasn't clear enough, it seems. With "sinking ship" I was rather
referring to Google "mail".

Cheers
-- 
t

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#248872

Fromrhkramer@gmail.com
Date2022-06-08 14:50 +0200
Message-ID<Ew3ih-3rdU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248864
On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into
> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
> 
> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now.

I'm curious about the same thing -- I suspect not, and not sure when / if I'll 
test it.  It would be nice if someone knew.

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#248873

FromFelmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com>
Date2022-06-08 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<Ew6g9-3sZD-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248872
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
>> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into
>> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
>>
>> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now.
>
> I'm curious about the same thing -- I suspect not, and not sure when / if I'll
> test it.  It would be nice if someone knew.

that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what 
is the connection between:

(1) 2-step auth
(2) app-specific pw

I would have thought method (1) is good for getting back on board if 
you lose 
your pw.

method (2) just seems like using a pw like one always does except it's 
handed to you.

I may go empirical and try to cancel 2-step and see.

I'd rather learn from others.

fjd

-- 
Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#248875

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2022-06-08 18:20 +0200
Message-ID<Ew6zv-3tm7-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248873
On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
>>> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into
>>> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now.
>>
>> I'm curious about the same thing -- I suspect not, and not sure when / if I'll
>> test it.  It would be nice if someone knew.
>
> that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what 
> is the connection between:
>
> (1) 2-step auth
> (2) app-specific pw

Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2).

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#248876

Fromrhkramer@gmail.com
Date2022-06-08 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<Ew6Jb-3tpQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248875
On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote:
> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what
> > is the connection between:
> > 
> > (1) 2-step auth
> > (2) app-specific pw
> 
> Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2).

But, once you've created (2), can you turn (1) back off (and still have (2) 
work)?

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#248877

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2022-06-08 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<Ew7vz-3tZw-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248876
On 2022-06-08, rhkramer@gmail.com <rhkramer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote:
>> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what
>> > is the connection between:
>> > 
>> > (1) 2-step auth
>> > (2) app-specific pw
>> 
>> Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2).
>
> But, once you've created (2), can you turn (1) back off (and still have (2) 
> work)?
>
>

Try it and report back. I doubt anything untoward that might happen will be
irrevocable (although you never know, do you).

- 

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#248739

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Message-ID<EuCWR-2wae-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#248734
On 2022-06-04, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>Bullshit.
>>
> Well!
>
> What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> put explanation.
>
> I'm convinced.
>


That's what's missing from *your* affirmation and the very reason it is
pure bullshit.

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