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Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye

Started byTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
First post2022-04-27 13:10 +0200
Last post2022-05-05 00:30 +0200
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  Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 13:10 +0200
    Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-04-27 13:50 +0200
      Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:00 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-04-27 14:30 +0200
          Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-04-27 14:40 +0200
            Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:50 +0200
              Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-04-27 15:40 +0200
              Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 15:40 +0200
            Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-27 15:50 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-04-27 17:10 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-05-05 00:30 +0200
    Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:10 +0200
      Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:20 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 15:30 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2022-04-27 15:50 +0200
          Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 16:20 +0200
      Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 15:40 +0200
      Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 00:10 +0200
    Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Keith Bainbridge <keithrbaugroups@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:20 +0200
      Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:40 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2022-04-27 18:50 +0200
        Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 19:20 +0200
          Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 21:20 +0200
            Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-04-28 19:10 +0200
              Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-05-05 14:30 +0200
            [SOLVED] Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 00:30 +0200
          Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-05-05 00:30 +0200

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#247653

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2022-04-27 18:50 +0200
Message-ID<EgT1v-bAdR-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247645
Tom Browder composed on 2022-04-27 10:37 (UTC-0500):

> I removed the old drive, installed the new SSD, then booted off a Debian
> live dvd.

> It never found the drive, so I may have killed it. 

Killed it how? My Linux-only 120G & 240G MX500s were mere PNP, the smaller
originally setup in a tower, then moved to a Toshiba Satellite A205-S5831 laptop
with no changes needed except for NIC MAC.
-- 
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	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

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#247654

From"Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-27 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<EgTux-bACZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247645
On 27.04.2022 20:37, Tom Browder wrote:
> ...
> If either of those fail to see it, I’m afraid I toasted it. I don’t 
> think that will qualify for a return.
> ...
>
What makes you think that way?
It is next to impossible to actually mishandle and "toast" a device 
simply by unpacking it and connecting to a SATA port. (Even when PC is 
powered on¹).
SSDs are not fragile, they are electrically compatible with SATA 
standard, so both data and power port parts won't do any damage to a 
device, no matter how old or new the hardware is.
If you won't manage to get it working with another PC, then you simply 
got a faulty product and have a warranty to get it replaced.
I've seen a fair share of faulty brand new devices in my life, memory 
sticks, motherboards, HDDs.
This is rare nowadays and I don't handle large volumes of PC parts 
anymore, but it still happen here and there.


¹ It is still a risk and is not recommended at all. It is always safer 
to do any work with powered off computer and disconnected battery if it 
is a laptop.

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With kindest regards, Alexander.

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#247665

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-27 21:20 +0200
Message-ID<EgVmF-bBJn-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247654

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On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:12 Alexander V. Makartsev <avbetev@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 27.04.2022 20:37, Tom Browder wrote:
> > ...
> > If either of those fail to see it, I’m afraid I toasted it. I don’t
> > think that will qualify for a return.


I finally got it working! I blame lack of attention to details, old age,
shaky hands, and < 100% vision. I uninstalled the ssd, looked all over
closely (again) and realized I had not really installed it at all!
Yesterday I could not see that it would fit in the space for the hard drive
carrier because I had it upside down!  I finally got it together (even
missing two screws I hope I can find later) and the drive is now recognized.

Thank you all for the support, and I cannot blame Crucial one iota.

Debian on, my fellow Debianites!

-Tom

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#247710

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2022-04-28 19:10 +0200
Message-ID<EhfOp-bOLL-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247665
> I finally got it working! I blame lack of attention to details, old age,
> shaky hands, and < 100% vision. I uninstalled the ssd, looked all over

I consider these kinds of reaction as a variation of Stockholm syndrome:
when something doesn't work under GNU/Linux, many people will take it
for granted that it's because they're not using Windows (or macOS,
as the case may be).

If something doesn't work on my wife's Mac, she may blame my OpenWRT's
router or my "independent" ISP, or as a last recourse she may blame
herself.  Apple is always off the hook.


        Stefan

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#247919

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2022-05-05 14:30 +0200
Message-ID<EjIMh-dou7-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247710
On 28/04/2022 18:05, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I finally got it working! I blame lack of attention to details, old age,
>> shaky hands, and < 100% vision. I uninstalled the ssd, looked all over
>
> I consider these kinds of reaction as a variation of Stockholm syndrome:
> when something doesn't work under GNU/Linux, many people will take it
> for granted that it's because they're not using Windows (or macOS,
> as the case may be).
>
> If something doesn't work on my wife's Mac, she may blame my OpenWRT's
> router or my "independent" ISP, or as a last recourse she may blame
> herself.  Apple is always off the hook.

Yes indeed we could observe very similar reaction here in this thread.
All sources of problem should have been considered equally, no deciding
that it's definitely SSD's fault, or Linux fault, or any other fault,
without exploring and depleting all possible options:)

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With kindest regards, Piotr.

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#247910 — [SOLVED] Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2022-05-05 00:30 +0200
Subject[SOLVED] Re: Crucial SSDs and Debian Bullseye
Message-ID<EjvFn-dfX4-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247665

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On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 14:17 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:12 Alexander V. Makartsev <avbetev@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27.04.2022 20:37, Tom Browder wrote:
>> > ...
>> > If either of those fail to see it, I’m afraid I toasted it. I don’t
>> > think that will qualify for a return.
>
>
> I finally got it working! I blame lack of attention to details, old age,
> shaky hands, and < 100% vision. I uninstalled the ssd, looked all over
> closely (again) and realized I had not really installed it at all!
> Yesterday I could not see that it would fit in the space for the hard drive
> carrier because I had it upside down!  I finally got it together (even
> missing two screws I hope I can find later) and the drive is now recognized.
>
> Thank you all for the support, and I cannot blame Crucial one iota.
>
> Debian on, my fellow Debianites!
>
> -Tom
>
>

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#247909

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2022-05-05 00:30 +0200
Message-ID<EjvFo-dfX4-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#247654
On 27/04/2022 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> It is next to impossible to actually mishandle and "toast" a device
> simply by unpacking it and connecting to a SATA port. (Even when PC is
> powered on¹).
> SSDs are not fragile, they are electrically compatible with SATA
> standard, so both data and power port parts won't do any damage to a
> device, no matter how old or new the hardware is.

Agree. On my Debian server, I've been actually hot-plugging SATA drives,
both HDD and SSD for years. Never had a problem. Linux detects
everything on the fly :)

If new SSD cannot be detected in OP Toshiba laptop, its most likely
faulty SSD or user error. Nothing to do with Debian.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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