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  qmail package in bullseye 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2021-12-24 14:00 +0100
    Re: qmail package in bullseye Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-12-24 14:10 +0100
      Re: qmail package in bullseye 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2021-12-24 14:40 +0100
    Re: qmail package in bullseye Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-24 14:10 +0100
    Re: qmail package in bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-12-24 14:30 +0100
      Re: qmail package in bullseye 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2021-12-24 15:00 +0100
        Re: qmail package in bullseye Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-24 16:30 +0100
          Re: qmail package in bullseye 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2021-12-25 06:00 +0100
    Re: qmail package in bullseye Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-24 16:10 +0100
      Re: qmail package in bullseye ed neville <ed-debian@s5h.net> - 2021-12-24 16:50 +0100

#243396 — qmail package in bullseye

Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
Bellow are my environments:

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 11.2
  APT prefers stable-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 5.10.0-9-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads)
Locale: LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ko_KR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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#243397

Hello,

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?

It was removed from Debian in May 2020 and hasn't been in a release
since buster:

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961289

If you still have interest, can maintain a package and can find a
Debian Developer to sponsor uploads you may be able to reintroduce
it.

Cheers,
Andy

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#243400

Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:

> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
>
> It was removed from Debian in May 2020 and hasn't been in a release
> since buster:
>
>     https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961289
>
> If you still have interest, can maintain a package and can find a
> Debian Developer to sponsor uploads you may be able to reintroduce
> it.

Always i'm beginner in Debian. I was just curious about qmail
status. Thanks for information, Andy and Roberto ^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee 

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#243398

It seems that netqmail (the package that provides qmail) was removed
last year:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961289

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
> Bellow are my environments:
> 
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: 11.2
>   APT prefers stable-updates
>   APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable')
> Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
> 
> Kernel: Linux 5.10.0-9-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads)
> Locale: LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ko_KR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
> Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
> LSM: AppArmor: enabled
> 
> Sincerely, Byung-Hee
> 

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#243399

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?

If you wish to use qmail, the recommended way to do it is:

1) Install equivs, and use it to build the "mta-local" package.
   There's an example file for it:
   /usr/share/doc/equivs/examples/mail-transport-agent.ctl
   Read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/equivs/README.Debian .

2) Install the mta-local package (.deb file).  If you've already got a
   different Debian MTA package installed, this should remove it.  Or,
   you can use dpkg --force-depends to remove it manually, before
   installing mta-local.

3) Build and install qmail from your preferred source tree.

4) Set up the symlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
   or wherever you placed the qmail programs.

5) Set up whatever method you prefer to start qmail at boot time.

The Debian packaging used to take care of those last two, but now it's
up to us.

Please note that the original qmail-smtpd is NOT good to use without
patching or replacing.  It was written in an era when spam was only
beginning to be a threat.  If you run qmail-smtpd on the Internet, you
WILL become a joe-job spam bouncer, and we don't want that.

If you're not up for the task of replacing qmail-smtpd, or restricting
it solely to trusted internal LAN traffic, then please don't run qmail.
It's not for everyone, and there are alternatives that would be a lot
simpler to set up.

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#243401

Dear Greg,

Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> writes:

> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 09:58:11PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
>> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
>
> If you wish to use qmail, the recommended way to do it is:
>
> 1) Install equivs, and use it to build the "mta-local" package.
>    There's an example file for it:
>    /usr/share/doc/equivs/examples/mail-transport-agent.ctl
>    Read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/equivs/README.Debian .
>
> 2) Install the mta-local package (.deb file).  If you've already got a
>    different Debian MTA package installed, this should remove it.  Or,
>    you can use dpkg --force-depends to remove it manually, before
>    installing mta-local.
>
> 3) Build and install qmail from your preferred source tree.
>
> 4) Set up the symlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
>    or wherever you placed the qmail programs.
>
> 5) Set up whatever method you prefer to start qmail at boot time.
>
> The Debian packaging used to take care of those last two, but now it's
> up to us.
>
> Please note that the original qmail-smtpd is NOT good to use without
> patching or replacing.  It was written in an era when spam was only
> beginning to be a threat.  If you run qmail-smtpd on the Internet, you
> WILL become a joe-job spam bouncer, and we don't want that.
>
> If you're not up for the task of replacing qmail-smtpd, or restricting
> it solely to trusted internal LAN traffic, then please don't run qmail.
> It's not for everyone, and there are alternatives that would be a lot
> simpler to set up.

Thank you for very kind detail how-to, step-by-step. In honest, i did
want to do demonstration on QMTP with qmail. Anyway your article will
help me in the future!

Sincerely, QMTP fan Byung-Hee

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#243408

황병희 wrote: 
> > 3) Build and install qmail from your preferred source tree.

And I've seen your posts on the qmail list, so you should
definitely take their advice on which version to use.

> > 4) Set up the symlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
> >    or wherever you placed the qmail programs.

Most of the source tree's install instructions will remind you
to do this.

> > 5) Set up whatever method you prefer to start qmail at boot time.

Note that Debian has daemontools, daemontools-run, and s6 (a
daemontools-like system) available in stable. These are slightly
different from the pure cr.yp.to instructions, but very easily
adaptable.


> > Please note that the original qmail-smtpd is NOT good to use without
> > patching or replacing.  It was written in an era when spam was only
> > beginning to be a threat.  If you run qmail-smtpd on the Internet, you
> > WILL become a joe-job spam bouncer, and we don't want that.

In particular, Debian has the mailfront package, which is Bruce
Guenter's qmail-compatible set of tools. From the description:

  It contains complete SMTP, QMQP, QMTP, and POP3 front-ends as well as
  an authentication module for IMAP.  The mail delivery front-ends also
  contain internal address filtering features. 

  Two SMTP back-ends are provided.  One delivers mail to qmail-queue,
  mimicking most of the behavior of qmail-smtpd, with the addition of
  support for SMTP AUTH.

This is most likely your best path forward. 

-dsr-

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#243434

Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> writes:

> [...]
> In particular, Debian has the mailfront package, which is Bruce
> Guenter's qmail-compatible set of tools. From the description:
>
>   It contains complete SMTP, QMQP, QMTP, and POP3 front-ends as well as
>   an authentication module for IMAP.  The mail delivery front-ends also
>   contain internal address filtering features. 
>
>   Two SMTP back-ends are provided.  One delivers mail to qmail-queue,
>   mimicking most of the behavior of qmail-smtpd, with the addition of
>   support for SMTP AUTH.
>
> This is most likely your best path forward. 

Thanks Dan!

Sincerely, QMTP fan Byung-Hee

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#243403

On 12/24/21 14:58, 황병희 wrote:
> Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?

The software seems unmaintained for a long time [1]. According to
wikipedia the last release is from 1998 and I think there was an
incompatibility with the qmail's license and Debian. I've never seen
qmail's binary packages in Debian. I think there were tools in Debian
which allowed users to compile qmail on their own.

If you are looking for SMTP you can look at Postfix and Exim.

Kind regards
Georgi

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmail

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#243411

On 2021-12-24 17:00+0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 12/24/21 14:58, 황병희 wrote:
> > Hi, there is no qmail package in bullseye. what's wrong?
> The software seems unmaintained for a long time [1]. According to
> wikipedia the last release is from 1998 and I think there was an
> incompatibility with the qmail's license and Debian. I've never seen
> qmail's binary packages in Debian. I think there were tools in Debian
> which allowed users to compile qmail on their own.
> 
> If you are looking for SMTP you can look at Postfix and Exim.

qmail is now public domain, so the licence shouldn't be a problem now.

  <http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html>

qmail with JMS's patchset has been mostly just fine for me. However, if 
I were doing things again, I would suggest postfix since things like SSL 
are included and it follows some of the compartmentalised design of 
qmail.

Ed

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