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Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade

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  Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-12-16 16:20 +0100
    Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-16 17:10 +0100
      Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-12-16 18:10 +0100
      Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 12:40 +0100
        Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade Keith Christian <keith1christian@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 14:50 +0100
        Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-03 04:10 +0100
          Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-11 13:10 +0100
    Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 11:50 +0100

#243170 — Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2021-12-16 16:20 +0100
SubjectRe: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade
Message-ID<Dv0I1-5FV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>

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On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:28:17PM +0000, Balasubramanian Ravuthan wrote:
> Hi Team,
> 
>   We are looking support from you on the Linux Kernel upgrade on  Debian 10. Please help on this.

This is a user's list, not a support channel.

If you have concrete questions, you can pose them here. Chances are good
that some experienced users can help you. Note that this is all
voluntary work.

There are companies out there offering commercial Debian support. I'm
sure a web search will turn up a couple of good candidates.

Cheers
-- 
tomás

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#243176

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-12-16 17:10 +0100
Message-ID<Dv1ut-6dh-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#243170
On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:12:37 (+0100), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:28:17PM +0000, Balasubramanian Ravuthan wrote:
> > Hi Team,
> > 
> >   We are looking support from you on the Linux Kernel upgrade on  Debian 10. Please help on this.
> 
> This is a user's list, not a support channel.
> 
> If you have concrete questions, you can pose them here. Chances are good
> that some experienced users can help you. Note that this is all
> voluntary work.
> 
> There are companies out there offering commercial Debian support. I'm
> sure a web search will turn up a couple of good candidates.

Anyone think it ironic that a multinational IT company with a
market capitalisation of $50 billion as of September 2021 comes
here for help on upgrading the kernel on an old Debian system?

Cheers,
David.

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#243178

FromCindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-16 18:10 +0100
Message-ID<Dv2qv-6Nx-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#243176
On 12/16/21, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:12:37 (+0100), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:28:17PM +0000, Balasubramanian Ravuthan wrote:
>> > Hi Team,
>> >
>> >   We are looking support from you on the Linux Kernel upgrade on  Debian
>> > 10. Please help on this.
>>
>> This is a user's list, not a support channel.
>>
>> If you have concrete questions, you can pose them here. Chances are good
>> that some experienced users can help you. Note that this is all
>> voluntary work.
>>
>> There are companies out there offering commercial Debian support. I'm
>> sure a web search will turn up a couple of good candidates.
>
> Anyone think it ironic that a multinational IT company with a
> market capitalisation of $50 billion as of September 2021 comes
> here for help on upgrading the kernel on an old Debian system?


Sounds like something I'd say (and actually have in the past). I
didn't go to the length you did regarding research, but I did notice
it had a style similar to something else in the last week or so....
something that... just didn't "sit quite right" from start to finish.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

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#243232

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-18 12:40 +0100
Message-ID<DvGee-86P-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Jo, 16 dec 21, 09:53:33, David Wright wrote:
> 
> Anyone think it ironic that a multinational IT company with a
> market capitalisation of $50 billion as of September 2021 comes
> here for help on upgrading the kernel on an old Debian system?

Many questions on this list originate from businesses using Debian 
internally.

Are you suggesting this shouldn't be allowed and/or that support should 
only be provided for businesses below a certain size?

(ignoring for a moment that this would be impossible to implement with 
open posting / subscribing / list archives)


Free(dom) Software was never meant to exclude comercial use or 
developers earning a living (or a fortune) from it.

In fact a non-commercial clause in the license would make a software 
non-free according to Debian's DFSG and other similar Free Software 
definitions.

As far as I can tell the Debian Project is actually quite proud of Pixar 
having used Debian internally, so much so that all the code names are 
still inspired by Toy Story characters.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#243235

FromKeith Christian <keith1christian@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-18 14:50 +0100
Message-ID<DvIg1-XX-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 04:37 Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Free(dom) Software was never meant to exclude comercial use or
> developers earning a living (or a fortune) from it.
>
>
> Agreed,.Andrei!
>



>

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#243611

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2022-01-03 04:10 +0100
Message-ID<DBlTr-2XL-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#243232
On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 12:36:49 (+0100), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 16 dec 21, 09:53:33, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone think it ironic that a multinational IT company with a
> > market capitalisation of $50 billion as of September 2021 comes
> > here for help on upgrading the kernel on an old Debian system?
> 
> Many questions on this list originate from businesses using Debian 
> internally.
> 
> Are you suggesting this shouldn't be allowed and/or that support should 
> only be provided for businesses below a certain size?

No, neither was suggested by me, but I'm guessing by this reply
that you don't see any irony.

> (ignoring for a moment that this would be impossible to implement with 
> open posting / subscribing / list archives)
> 
> Free(dom) Software was never meant to exclude comercial use or 
> developers earning a living (or a fortune) from it.
> 
> In fact a non-commercial clause in the license would make a software 
> non-free according to Debian's DFSG and other similar Free Software 
> definitions.
> 
> As far as I can tell the Debian Project is actually quite proud of Pixar 
> having used Debian internally, so much so that all the code names are 
> still inspired by Toy Story characters.

Hmm. The first release in June 1996 was already named buzz, yet
two months earlier Bruce commented: "Pixar isn't really interested
in Linux¹ yet - I will try to change this in the next year or so -
I don't know if I will get anywhere" and also: "I find myself
wishing that my systems at Pixar ran Debian Linux …".

I think he was proud of the number of companies who /were/ using
Debian, commenting: "other users just as impressive, but I don't
have the space to list them all."

¹ let alone Debian.

Cheers,
David.

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#243855

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2022-01-11 13:10 +0100
Message-ID<DEo8p-2om-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Du, 02 ian 22, 20:59:45, David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 12:36:49 (+0100), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 16 dec 21, 09:53:33, David Wright wrote:
> > > 
> > > Anyone think it ironic that a multinational IT company with a
> > > market capitalisation of $50 billion as of September 2021 comes
> > > here for help on upgrading the kernel on an old Debian system?
> > 
> > Many questions on this list originate from businesses using Debian 
> > internally.
> > 
> > Are you suggesting this shouldn't be allowed and/or that support should 
> > only be provided for businesses below a certain size?
> 
> No, neither was suggested by me, but I'm guessing by this reply
> that you don't see any irony.

Indeed, at first I probably completely misinterpreted your message. 

Having worked in big / bigger companies for the past 18 years it's 
possible some of the absurdities of big organisations have 
(unfortunately) become too "normal" for me.

Rule nr. 6 probably applies here as well ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#243230

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-18 11:50 +0100
Message-ID<DvFrP-7uG-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Jo, 16 dec 21, 16:12:37, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:28:17PM +0000, Balasubramanian Ravuthan wrote:
> > Hi Team,
> > 
> >   We are looking support from you on the Linux Kernel upgrade on  Debian 10. Please help on this.
> 
> This is a user's list, not a support channel.

Debian's website specifically mentions it as such ;)

From https://www.debian.org/support

    For user support in English, please contact the debian-user mailing 
    list. 

(it also clearly specifies at the top of the page that it's run by 
volunteers and there are other - including paid - options).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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