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  Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-12-13 16:00 +0100
    Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos" Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2021-12-13 16:20 +0100
      BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible  Time" and "Xiphos"] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-12-13 19:20 +0100
        Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Mindaugas Celiesius <mindaugasceliesius@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 19:50 +0100
        Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-12-13 20:40 +0100
        Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-12-13 20:50 +0100
          Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-12-14 02:30 +0100
            Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-14 05:30 +0100
            Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-12-14 05:40 +0100
            Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 05:40 +0100
              Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 15:40 +0100
        Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-12-14 03:20 +0100
          Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-12-14 11:30 +0100
            Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-14 16:40 +0100
            Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 11:10 +0100
              Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-12-18 14:10 +0100
                Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 16:00 +0100
                  Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-12-21 12:40 +0100
                    Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-25 17:30 +0100
        Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with  "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-12-21 13:50 +0100

#243061 — Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"

I have two machines using MATE desktop:
   A. Primary is Debian 9.13
   B. Secondary machine which will become current
      1. Debian 10.7
      2. Debian 11.1

Chronology

I looked through the repository for Bible study tools with KJV with 
Strong's Concordance and GUI. Multiple commentaries preferred. "Bible 
Time" and "Xiphos" seemed to give appropriate range of options and had 
the same choice of reference works.

I installed both on my Primary machine. The Xiphos had more desirable 
features but was unusable as it defaulted to always displaying the 
Strong's number for everything. I found the Debian 11 repository had a 
more recent version.

I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary 
machine. I ran into two problems.

1. In Xiphos, I was not able to download Bible and reference works from
    the SWORD library. I resorted to using Synaptic to download them from
    the Debian repository. Both programs were able to display selected
    passages. Due to larger variety of material I would prefer to use the
    SWORD library.

2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report
    "Module not available".


I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for 
"operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use 
Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian 
10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what 
I requested and they were available also to Xiphos.
ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work.

Two sets of questions.

Is anyone using these on Debian 11? Is there an appropriate USER 
oriented list? [I found a SWORD list for Xiphos - but it appears to be 
developer oriented.]

How can I completely purge both from the Debian partition [including 
code, data, *AND* configuration]. I've never removed a program before ;/

I wish to replicate the steps and order used on the Debian 10 install to 
distinguish whether there is a code or operator error.

TIA

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> I have two machines using MATE desktop:
>    A. Primary is Debian 9.13
>    B. Secondary machine which will become current
>       1. Debian 10.7
>       2. Debian 11.1
>
> Chronology
>
> I looked through the repository for Bible study tools with KJV with
> Strong's Concordance and GUI. Multiple commentaries preferred. "Bible
> Time" and "Xiphos" seemed to give appropriate range of options and had
> the same choice of reference works.
>
> I installed both on my Primary machine. The Xiphos had more desirable
> features but was unusable as it defaulted to always displaying the
> Strong's number for everything. I found the Debian 11 repository had a
> more recent version.
>
> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary
> machine. I ran into two problems.
>
> 1. In Xiphos, I was not able to download Bible and reference works from
>     the SWORD library. I resorted to using Synaptic to download them from
>     the Debian repository. Both programs were able to display selected
>     passages. Due to larger variety of material I would prefer to use the
>     SWORD library.
>
> 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report
>     "Module not available".
>
>
> I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for
> "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use
> Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian
> 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what
> I requested and they were available also to Xiphos.
> ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work.
>
> Two sets of questions.
>
> Is anyone using these on Debian 11? Is there an appropriate USER
> oriented list? [I found a SWORD list for Xiphos - but it appears to be
> developer oriented.]
>
> How can I completely purge both from the Debian partition [including
> code, data, *AND* configuration]. I've never removed a program before ;/
>
> I wish to replicate the steps and order used on the Debian 10 install to
> distinguish whether there is a code or operator error.
>
> TIA
>
>
I'm always online, so I just use online tools (biblegateway.com and
bible.cc primarily), but I just installed bibletime to see how it behaves
(it looks better than my vague memory of trying to use it a decade or so
ago), and the F1 & F2 keys both bring up a local html document; the F3 key
brings up the "Tip of the Day" window.

I'm using Cinnamon rather than Mate, on bookworm/sid.

You can "aptitude purge bibletime" which should get rid of the program as
well as its config files in /etc. I believe "apt" and "apt-get" have a
similar purge feature. This will not delete any config files belonging to
your local user. You can probably find and delete those files, but it might
be "cleaner" just to create a new local user and log in as that new user
for testing, maybe even logging into a different windowing/desktop
environment as part of the testing process.

-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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#243069 — BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> 
>> [snip]
>>
>> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary
>> machine. I ran into two problems.
>>
>> 1. In Xiphos, [snip]
>>
>> 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report
>>      "Module not available".
>>
>>
>> I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for
>> "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use
>> Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian
>> 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what
>> I requested and they were available also to Xiphos.
>> ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work.

Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data 
files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11 
from scratch.

I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.

Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that
/usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist.

[On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and 
.../howto .  F1 and F2 works there.]

How do I correctly file a bug report?

TIA

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#243070 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

Hello. Please, check this https://wiki.debian.org/BugReport

2021-12-13 20:18, Richard Owlett rašė:
> On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary
>>> machine. I ran into two problems.
>>>
>>> 1. In Xiphos, [snip]
>>>
>>> 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report
>>>      "Module not available".
>>>
>>>
>>> I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for
>>> "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use
>>> Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the 
>>> Debian
>>> 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed 
>>> what
>>> I requested and they were available also to Xiphos.
>>> ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work.
>
> Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data 
> files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 
> 11 from scratch.
>
> I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
> Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
> F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.
>
> Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that
> /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist.
>
> [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and 
> .../howto .  F1 and F2 works there.]
>
> How do I correctly file a bug report?
>
> TIA
>
>

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#243073 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

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On 2021-12-13 1:18 p.m., Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary
>>> machine. I ran into two problems.
>>>
>>> 1. In Xiphos, [snip]
>>>
>>> 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report
>>>      "Module not available".
>>>
>>>
>>> I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for
>>> "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use
>>> Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the Debian
>>> 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed what
>>> I requested and they were available also to Xiphos.
>>> ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work.
> 
> Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data
> files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 11
> from scratch.
> 
> I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
> Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
> F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.
> 
> Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that
> /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist.
> 
Have you check for a bibletime-doc package ?
> [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and
> .../howto .  F1 and F2 works there.]
> 
> How do I correctly file a bug report?
> 
> TIA
> 
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#243074 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :
> On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary
>>> machine. I ran into two problems.
>>>
>>> 1. In Xiphos, [snip]
>>>
>>> 2. Bible Time has Help options available via F1, F2, and F3. All report
>>>      "Module not available".
>>>
>>>
>>> I then installed both programs to the Debian 10 partition to check for
>>> "operator error" &/or version differences. As I had tried to first use
>>> Xiphos on the Debian 11 install, I started with Bible Time on the 
>>> Debian
>>> 10 install. It happily went looking for online libraries. Installed 
>>> what
>>> I requested and they were available also to Xiphos.
>>> ALSO F1, F2, and F3 work.
>
> Doing "apt purge" of bibletime and xiphos did not remove related data 
> files. As I had no other applications installed, I reinstalled Debian 
> 11 from scratch.
>
> I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
> Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
> F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.
>
> Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that
> /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist.
>
> [On Debian 10 system it exists with sub-directories .../handbook and 
> .../howto .  F1 and F2 works there.]
>
> How do I correctly file a bug report?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a 
handbook and howto subdirectory in

/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data

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#243077 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :
>> [SNIP]
> apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a 
> handbook and howto subdirectory in
> 
> /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data

NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA.
IS  TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA.

How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my 
run of apt-file?

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#243082 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

On Mon 13 Dec 2021 at 19:24:31 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :
> > > [SNIP]
> > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data
> > contains a handbook and howto subdirectory in
> > 
> > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data
> 
> NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA.
> IS  TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA.
> 
> How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by
> my run of apt-file?

I'm not sure how you've missed them. If you look in
/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/ as suggested, apart from the obligatory
changelogs and copyright, there appears to be only one path to follow
and, remarkably, it's called bibletime: this contains the guide, the
howtos and a licence.

Looking at buster, I think they've corrected the docs location
/usr/share/bibletime/docs/ to /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/.

As for your direct question, the usual place AIUI: /var/lib/apt/lists/.
Or, more pedantically, whichever repository you've pointed APT at
in your sources list.

Of course, everything may be different in KS.

Cheers,
David.

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#243084 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:24:31 -0600
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :  
> >> [SNIP]  
> > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains
> > a handbook and howto subdirectory in
> > 
> > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data  
> 
> NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA.

I don't know what's going on in southwest Missouri, but in Wyoming it's
there, it's a directory with some 1200 files and directories in it, and
it's provided by package bibletime-data.

charles@hawk:~$ apt-file search bibletime-data
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-config.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-intro.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-bookshelfmanager.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-output.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-parts.html
....
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-config.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-intro.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-bookshelfmanager.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-output.html
bibletime-data: /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/ar/hdbk-op-parts.html
charles@hawk:~$

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#243085 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:25 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :
> >> [SNIP]
> > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a
> > handbook and howto subdirectory in
> >
> > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data
>
> NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA.
>

Is True with Debian 11, KDE.
I am browsing the Handbook now.  Interesting.

IS  TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA.
>
> How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my
> run of apt-file?
>

Interesting!  Apt-File isn't installed by default.  (But I got it easily)

Okay, apt-file is bigger than a bread basket.  So I will defer to the other
apt-file experts.

However, your symptom suggests that bibletime-data might not have been
completely Installed.

Good luck!

Kenneth Parker

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#243103 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

(What I wrote below is) tl;dr :: Is localepurge installed on the
system(s) where the handbook is not reachable? I can't reproduce it
just this second (even though I thought I encountered it just a couple
hours ago during upgrade), but I swear I've seen docs occasionally
included in what is purged. On average, this is what is seen as the
localepurge's operation feedback:

localepurge: Disk space freed:   1564 KiB in /usr/share/locale
localepurge: Disk space freed:    640 KiB in /usr/share/man
localepurge: Disk space freed:      0 KiB in /usr/share/tcltk
localepurge: Disk space freed:      0 KiB in /usr/share/help

I'm about "this sure" that I've additionally seen /usr/share/doc
appear there as a fifth line, too. Down below, I've posted file paths
for all four currently available bibletime-data versions. There's been
some change going on. In that case AND if something like localepurge
is installed, maybe there's a potential bug that needs addressed on
one end or the other.

On the "maybe not" side, I went ahead and installed bibletime on
Bookworm. Nothing at all was purged on the four above lines. BUT:
Maybe something's purged in earlier Debian releases...?? I don't have
any installed to test drive it.

My understanding of localepurge is that it's about purging materials
that are installed by default in some packages but that a User
declaring a language specific LANG might not ever need. Am saying that
because I noticed several language options in the bibletime handbook
directories. That provides a place where a glitch might result in a
needed language accidentally getting purged.

As a related aside, this webpage:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/180400/is-it-safe-to-empty-usr-share-doc

Says it found this in localepurge's own docs:

"Please note, that this tool is a hack which is not integrated with
Debian's package management system and therefore is not for the faint
of heart. This program interferes with the Debian package management
and does provoke strange, but usually harmless, behaviour of programs
related with apt/dpkg like dpkg-repack, reportbug, etc. Responsibility
for its usage and possible breakage of your system therefore lies in
the sysadmin's (your) hands."


On 12/13/21, Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:25 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote:
>> > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :
>> >> [SNIP]
>> > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a
>> > handbook and howto subdirectory in
>> >
>> > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data
>>
>> NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA.
>>
>
> Is True with Debian 11, KDE.
> I am browsing the Handbook now.  Interesting.
>
> IS  TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA.
>>
>> How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my
>> run of apt-file?
>>
>
> Interesting!  Apt-File isn't installed by default.  (But I got it easily)
>
> Okay, apt-file is bigger than a bread basket.  So I will defer to the other
> apt-file experts.
>
> However, your symptom suggests that bibletime-data might not have been
> completely Installed.


A slightly minor "pain", but I just downloaded and peeked into all
four bibletime-data versions available in Debian's repositories. These
are the paths that resulted:

Stretch (oldoldstable)
bibletime-data_2.10.1-3_all/usr/share/bibletime/docs/handbook

Buster (oldstable)
bibletime-data_2.11.2-11_all/usr/share/bibletime/docs/handbook

Bullseye (stable)
bibletime-data_3.0-5_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook

Bookworm (testing)/Sid (unstable)
bibletime-data_3.0.2-1_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/handbook

Bookworm/Sid's pbibletime-data parent directory also contains this symlink:
bibletime-data_3.0.2-1_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime/handbook

There may be other symlinks that I missed, but that's enough for now.
Feels like they're toying with ways to do something like accommodate
for future growth (additions).

Change happens. Always copacetic here as long as maintainers have made
all appropriate respective alterations within the programming code so
that everything continues to function as expected. Since some members
are successfully reading their handbook here, sounds like that
happened so something else is glitching somewhere.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

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#243078 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600):

> I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
> Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
> F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.											
Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/? It seems to be a QT app,
which may need qt components you don't have installed, but are not "required".
The following is from an installation with TDE, no Gnome, no Cinnamon, no XFCE,
no KDE, but does have a minimal amount of QT5 installed.

# inxi -Syz
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.0-9-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.12
  Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
# apt install bibletime bibletime-data bibletime-trinity tdeio-sword-trinity sword-dict-naves sword-text-kjv sword-comm-mhcc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libclucene-core1v5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5qmlmodels5 libqt5qmlworkerscript5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5xml5 libsword-common libsword1.9.0 qml-module-qtquick2
Suggested packages:
  bibletime-i18n-trinity qt5-qmltooling-plugins sword-dict-strongs-greek sword-dict-strongs-hebrew sword-comm-scofield sword-comm-tdavid
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  bibletime bibletime-data bibletime-trinity libclucene-core1v5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5qmlmodels5 libqt5qmlworkerscript5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5xml5
  libsword-common libsword1.9.0 qml-module-qtquick2 sword-comm-mhcc sword-dict-naves sword-text-kjv tdeio-sword-trinity
0 upgraded, 18 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded.
Need to get 14.8 MB of archives.
After this operation, 42.7 MB of additional disk space will be used.
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#243096 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

On 12/13/2021 08:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600):
> 
>> I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
>> Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
>> F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.											
> Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/?

I might be phrased as "I ordered it all but the the repository (i.e URL) 
contacted did not contain all that is evidently residing at other URL's".

I.E. I used Synaptic to install
  bibletime      -- bible study tool for Qt
            AND
  bibletime-data -- Documentation and data for bibletime

When Erwan David (in Europe) performed "apt-file search bibletime" the 
handbook files were displayed.

When I (in Missouri USA) run it against Debian 11 I do not see handbook 
files. I *DO* see the handbook files when running it against Debian 10.

IOW I am convinced I am observing a repository problem, *NOT* operator 
error.

> It seems to be a QT app,
> which may need qt components you don't have installed, but are not "required".
> The following is from an installation with TDE, no Gnome, no Cinnamon, no XFCE,
> no KDE, but does have a minimal amount of QT5 installed.
> 
> [snip installation report]

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#243104 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

On Tue 14 Dec 2021 at 04:20:00 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/13/2021 08:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600):
> > 
> > > I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
> > > Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
> > > F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.
> > Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/?
> 
> I might be phrased as "I ordered it all but the the repository (i.e
> URL) contacted did not contain all that is evidently residing at other
> URL's".
> 
> I.E. I used Synaptic to install
>  bibletime      -- bible study tool for Qt
>            AND
>  bibletime-data -- Documentation and data for bibletime
> 
> When Erwan David (in Europe) performed "apt-file search bibletime" the
> handbook files were displayed.
> 
> When I (in Missouri USA) run it against Debian 11 I do not see
> handbook files. I *DO* see the handbook files when running it against
> Debian 10.
> 
> IOW I am convinced I am observing a repository problem, *NOT* operator
> error.

/tmp/btd $ ls -Glg /home/debian/bullseye/bibletime-data_3.0-5_all.deb 
-rw-r----- 1 1180212 Nov 28  2020 /home/debian/bullseye/bibletime-data_3.0-5_all.deb
/tmp/btd $ ar t /home/debian/bullseye/bibletime-data_3.0-5_all.deb 
debian-binary
control.tar.xz
data.tar.xz
/tmp/btd $ ar x /home/debian/bullseye/bibletime-data_3.0-5_all.deb 
/tmp/btd $ ls -Glg
total 1160
-rw-r--r-- 1   17536 Dec 14 09:25 control.tar.xz
-rw-r--r-- 1 1162484 Dec 14 09:25 data.tar.xz
-rw-r--r-- 1       4 Dec 14 09:25 debian-binary
/tmp/btd $ tar -Jtf /tmp/btd/data.tar.xz | grep /en/
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-config.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-intro.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-op-bookshelfmanager.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-op-output.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-op-parts.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-op-search.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-op.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-reference-shortcuts.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-reference-works.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-reference.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-start-firstrun.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/hdbk-term.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_back.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_bible.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_bible_add.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_bibletime.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_book.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_book_add.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_bookmark.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_books.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_cascade.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_checkbox.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_commentary.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_commentary_add.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_configure.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_configuresword.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_contents2.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_displayconfig.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_document_magnifier.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_exit.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_fileclose.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_find.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_folder_open.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_forward.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_lexicon.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_lexicon_add.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_light_bulb.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_sync.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_tile.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_tile_horiz.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_tile_vert.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_view_index.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_view_mag.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/i_window_fullscreen.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/index.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/ss_configfonts.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/ss_mainterms.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/ss_searchanal.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/ss_searchopts.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook/html/en/ss_shortcuts.png
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-basics-approaches.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-basics-expository.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-basics-interpretation.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-basics-types.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-basics-worksheet.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-basics.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-breathed.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-exhortations.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-liberates.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-once.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-supplement.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-wars.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance-works.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-importance.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-rules-context.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-rules-hcontest.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-rules-normal.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-rules-parables.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/h2-rules.html
./usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/howto/html/en/index.html
/tmp/btd $ 

I rest my case.

Cheers,
David.

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#243228 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

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On Ma, 14 dec 21, 04:20:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/13/2021 08:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600):
> > 
> > > I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
> > > Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
> > > F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.											
> > Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/?
> 
> I might be phrased as "I ordered it all but the the repository (i.e URL)
> contacted did not contain all that is evidently residing at other URL's".
> 
> I.E. I used Synaptic to install
>  bibletime      -- bible study tool for Qt
>            AND
>  bibletime-data -- Documentation and data for bibletime

Please demonstrate this with the output of

    dpkg -l bibletime\*

 
> When Erwan David (in Europe) performed "apt-file search bibletime" the
> handbook files were displayed.
> 
> When I (in Missouri USA) run it against Debian 11 I do not see handbook
> files. I *DO* see the handbook files when running it against Debian 10.
> 
> IOW I am convinced I am observing a repository problem, *NOT* operator
> error.

Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well 
as the output of

    dpkg -L bibletime-data


Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
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#243234 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

On 12/18/2021 04:05 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 dec 21, 04:20:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/13/2021 08:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
>>> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-12-13 12:18 (UTC-0600):
>>>
>>>> I reinstalled bibletime and xiphos.
>>>> Using bibletime I installed Bible, concordance, etc.
>>>> F1 and F2 do NOT display the appropriate help files.											
>>> Are you sure you installed everything bibletime /wants/?
>>
>> I might be phrased as "I ordered it all but the the repository (i.e URL)
>> contacted did not contain all that is evidently residing at other URL's".
>>
>> I.E. I used Synaptic to install
>>   bibletime      -- bible study tool for Qt
>>             AND
>>   bibletime-data -- Documentation and data for bibletime
> 
> Please demonstrate this with the output of
> 
>      dpkg -l bibletime\*
> 
>   
>> When Erwan David (in Europe) performed "apt-file search bibletime" the
>> handbook files were displayed.
>>
>> When I (in Missouri USA) run it against Debian 11 I do not see handbook
>> files. I *DO* see the handbook files when running it against Debian 10.
>>

I've done a fresh install of Debian 11 using the same copy of dvd1.iso .
I then installed bibletime. F1 and F2 still do not work.
I also installed Sid. Bibletime installed properly there.


>> IOW I am convinced I am observing a repository problem, *NOT* operator
>> error.
> 
> Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well
> as the output of
> 
>      dpkg -L bibletime-data
> 

richard@debian-11:~$ su
Password:
root@debian-11:/home/richard# dpkg -l bibletime\*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| 
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description
+++-==============-============-============-==================================>
ii  bibletime      3.0-5        amd64        bible study tool for Qt
ii  bibletime-data 3.0-5        all          Documentation and data for 
bibleti>
un  bibletime-i18n <none>       <none>       (no description available)
lines 1-8/8 (END)

I see the same on Sid. In both cases Synaptic states the repository is
        http://deb.debian.org/debian

I've also found https://deb.debian.org/ which states:
> The server deb.debian.org does not have packages itself, but the name has
> SRV records in DNS that let apt in stretch and later find places. 

The *LAST* package installed by Synaptic was bibletime. In which 
log-file do I look to find the *EXACT* URL bibletime was retrieved from.

IIRC there is some load sharing going on in the background which would 
account for me retrieving different files than others.

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#243239 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

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On Sb, 18 dec 21, 07:00:56, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > 
> > Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well
> > as the output of
> > 
> >      dpkg -L bibletime-data
 
Care to provide these as well?
 
> richard@debian-11:~$ su
> Password:
> root@debian-11:/home/richard# dpkg -l bibletime\*
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> |
> Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description
> +++-==============-============-============-==================================>
> ii  bibletime      3.0-5        amd64        bible study tool for Qt
> ii  bibletime-data 3.0-5        all          Documentation and data for
> bibleti>
> un  bibletime-i18n <none>       <none>       (no description available)
> lines 1-8/8 (END)
> 
> I see the same on Sid. In both cases Synaptic states the repository is
>        http://deb.debian.org/debian
> 
> I've also found https://deb.debian.org/ which states:
> > The server deb.debian.org does not have packages itself, but the name has
> > SRV records in DNS that let apt in stretch and later find places.
> 
> The *LAST* package installed by Synaptic was bibletime. In which log-file do
> I look to find the *EXACT* URL bibletime was retrieved from.
> 
> IIRC there is some load sharing going on in the background which would
> account for me retrieving different files than others.

See https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/all/bibletime-data/download for 
the MD5 checksum (if you worry about integrity) and the SHA256 checksum 
(if you worry about tampering) of the .deb file.

You can compare these against the .deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives.

My money is on a match and this is a blind alley.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#243316 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

On 12/18/2021 08:55 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 18 dec 21, 07:00:56, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
>>> Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well
>>> as the output of
>>>
>>>       dpkg -L bibletime-data

At ~100 kB and > 1300 lines, too big for a news group. Also I'm up 
against a data cap for another couple of weeks.

>   
> Care to provide these as well?

What sub-command of apt-file?

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#243446 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime

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On Ma, 21 dec 21, 05:31:31, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 08:55 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 07:00:56, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Please demonstrate this by showing us the actual run of apt-file as well
> > > > as the output of
> > > > 
> > > >       dpkg -L bibletime-data
> 
> At ~100 kB and > 1300 lines, too big for a news group.

Compressed it would probably be fine.

Anyway, this would point to all files being there, possibly not where 
you expected them, though. On a bullseye system the output of
`apt-file show bibletime-data | wc -l` gives 1296.

> > Care to provide these as well?
> 
> What sub-command of apt-file?

The ones you used to determine that something is missing for you ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#243319 — Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

On 2021-12-13, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> Further investigation of the Debian 11 filesystem shows that
> /usr/share/bibletime/docs does not exist.
>

That's probably because the handbook and howto in bullseye reside in

 /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/

according to the results of my brief investigation into the matter.
They're keeping us on our toes, I guess.

Hallelujah, brother.

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