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  Re: bullseye fusses Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-12 03:10 +0100
    CUPS mailing list (was: Re: bullseye fusses) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-12-12 04:00 +0100
      Re: CUPS mailing list (was: Re: bullseye fusses) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-12-12 04:40 +0100
    Re: bullseye fusses Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-12-12 21:50 +0100
    Re: bullseye fusses peter@easthope.ca - 2021-12-12 23:10 +0100

#242989 — Re: bullseye fusses

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On Sat, 11 Dec, 2021 at 9:07 PM, me <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
 

To: debian-user@debian.org


Greetings all;


Several bullseye problems:


#1: I have yet to get the new kmail to receive or send an email.
I could use some help there as I am forced to use FF as webmail.
And AFAIAK, its busted for that.



#2: I just got a msg from amazon that is other than the amazon lowercase logo
in the top-left corner, is an otherwise blank page that has no horizontal
scroll bar, and takes around 2 minutes to load when I select it. FF bug?
DIIK. But it is a $1000+ purchase intended for a Christmas present
so this needs resolved quickly.



#3: I see apple has completed the embrace,engulf,destroy of cups, its mailing list
has been removed from the apple servers. The bounce as undeliverable msg resolves
to an apple server, but there is not a cup list there.



What do we ALL do for cups support now?


On my printer, its majorly broken even with brothers brand new for bullseye 

drivers installed. Its 15 times slower than it was on stretch, and refuses to 

use the printers options even if selected at localhost:631. 4 major WTH's.



Help will be much appreciated.


Cheers, Gene

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#242990 — CUPS mailing list (was: Re: bullseye fusses)

Hello,

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 06:11:28PM -0800, Gene Heskett wrote:
> #3: I see apple has completed the embrace,engulf,destroy of cups, its mailing list
> has been removed from the apple servers. The bounce as undeliverable msg resolves
> to an apple server, but there is not a cup list there.
> 
> What do we ALL do for cups support now?

Isn't the CUPS mailing list here?:

    https://lists.cups.org/pipermail/cups/

The archives seem to show a small number of mails (usual for that
list, apparently) as recently as November and no indication about
the shutdown of the list.

The mail servers for that domain do claim to accept email for that
address:

$ dig +noall +answer -t mx cups.org
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp03.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp14.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp15.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp24.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp25.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp34.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp35.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp44.apple.com.
cups.org.               3464    IN      MX      10 rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp45.apple.com.
$ telnet ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com 25
Trying 17.171.2.60...
Connected to ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com ESMTP Sat, 11 Dec 2021 18:48:33 -0800
EHLO mail.bitfolk.com
250-ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com Hello use.bitfolk.com [85.119.80.223], pleased to meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250 STARTTLS
MAIL FROM: andy@strugglers.net
250 2.1.0 Sender ok
RCPT TO: cups@cups.org 
250 2.1.5 Recipient ok
QUIT
221 2.0.0 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com Closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.

…but they could of course be accepting it and then sending a
non-delivery notice afterwards.

Beyond that I cannot test without actually trying to send an email
there, which would seem rude from a non-subscriber.

Is that the list that you are talking about?

> Help will be much appreciated.

I didn't really find any of your complaints actionable as they did
not provide any specific information. I think you will do better if
you did the usual thing of explaining:

- exactly what you did
- what exactly happened including exact output of any error message
  given (not your recollection of what may have happened)
- what exactly you expected to happen instead

Thanks,
Andy

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#242992 — Re: CUPS mailing list (was: Re: bullseye fusses)

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 02:56:12AM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> Is that the list that you are talking about?

For those playing along at home, Gene directly sent me a rambling
HTML reply which did confirm that cups@cups.org is the list he is
talking about, but only went on to say that he has attempted to
subscribe to it again and has not yet received an error.

So it seems most likely that this is user error as opposed to the
evil machinations of Apple corp, but we will probably never know
because as usual Gene does not provide any details as to what errors
he has seen up until now.

> I think you will do better if you did the usual thing of
> explaining:
> 
> - exactly what you did
> - what exactly happened including exact output of any error message
>   given (not your recollection of what may have happened)
> - what exactly you expected to happen instead

Gene's idea of progressing this was as follows:

    I expected the smtp agent to be able to query imap.shentel.net
    for port and protocol supported auto fill. but it apparently
    can't do that yet.

…which is basically just a restatement of "thing does not work"
without providing any useful information. Though did provide several
paragraphs of irrelevant personal rambling and insults aimed at
various software projects.

Maybe someone else can have a go and have more luck, but trying to
extract any usable information out of Gene seems like it will be, as
usual, an exhausting and unrewarding process.

Thanks,
Andy

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#243030

On Sat 11 Dec 2021 at 18:11:28 -0800, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> #3: I see apple has completed the embrace,engulf,destroy of cups, its mailing list
> has been removed from the apple servers. The bounce as undeliverable msg resolves
> to an apple server, but there is not a cup list there.

Total nonsense regarding Apple Inc. This is misinformation of the
higherst order. It deserves to be ignored. The OP excels in pushing
out unsubstantiated opinions under the guise of facts.

> What do we ALL do for cups support now?

The wise user reads our wiki. The unwise user hasn't a clue what to
do.

> On my printer, its majorly broken even with brothers brand new for bullseye 
> 
> drivers installed. Its 15 times slower than it was on stretch, and refuses to 

Brother has brand new drivers for your (unknown) printer on bullseye?
One of us is deluded.

-- 
Brian.

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#243033

    From: Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
    Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 18:11:28 -0800
> Several bullseye problems:
> 
> #1: I have yet to get the new kmail to receive or send an email.
> I could use some help there as I am forced to use FF as webmail.
> And AFAIAK, its busted for that.

Will a MUA in this list work?
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists

Oberon mail is bulletproof in Debian 11, 10, 9.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/A2#Email_2

> #2: I just got a msg from amazon that is other than the amazon lowercase logo
> in the top-left corner, is an otherwise blank page that has no horizontal
> scroll bar, and takes around 2 minutes to load when I select it. FF bug?
> DIIK. But it is a $1000+ purchase intended for a Christmas present
> so this needs resolved quickly.

Phone them?

> What do we ALL do for cups support now?

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list

Regards,                              ... P.

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