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why autoremove doesn't work

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  why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-13 03:00 +0100
    Re: why autoremove doesn't work David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-13 04:30 +0100
      Re: why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-13 05:10 +0100
        Re: why autoremove doesn't work David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-13 05:50 +0100
          Re: why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-13 07:30 +0100
            Re: why autoremove doesn't work David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-13 17:40 +0100
              Re: why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: why autoremove doesn't work David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-14 18:00 +0100
                  Re: why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-14 20:10 +0100
                    Re: why autoremove doesn't work David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-15 02:40 +0100
                      Re: why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-15 02:50 +0100
            Re: why autoremove doesn't work David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-13 17:50 +0100
    Re: why autoremove doesn't work Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 17:40 +0100
      Re: why autoremove doesn't work Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2021-12-10 01:30 +0100

#242108 — why autoremove doesn't work

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-11-13 03:00 +0100
Subjectwhy autoremove doesn't work
Message-ID<DiQuJ-4l8-1@gated-at.bofh.it>

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i install synaptic, with many depended packagesthen i remove synaptic and autoremovebut many depended packages are not removed

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#242109

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-11-13 04:30 +0100
Message-ID<DiRTP-5ps-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#242108
On Sat 13 Nov 2021 at 01:59:04 (+0000), Long Wind wrote:
> i install synaptic, with many depended packages
> then i remove synaptic and autoremove
> but many depended packages are not removed

$ aptitude why PACKAGENAME

Try that command using, in turn, the names of packages that were
installed along with synaptic but are not being autoremoved.
It should tell you why not.

It's quite likely you'll find there are Recommends that are
holding on to the packages.

Then you can test whether removing them will be safe by typing:

$ apt-get -s remove PACKAGENAMES …

and confirming that there are no complaints. (Note these commands
were typed as a user, not as root.)

Cheers,
David.

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#242111

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-11-13 05:10 +0100
Message-ID<DiSwx-5RC-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Thank David!but i don't know those depended package names now
maybe they are upgraded or recommended, not depended

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#242112

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-11-13 05:50 +0100
Message-ID<DiT9f-63T-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#242111
On Sat 13 Nov 2021 at 04:01:20 (+0000), Long Wind wrote:
> Thank David!
> but i don't know those depended package names now
> maybe they are upgraded or recommended, not depended

Exactly, that's why you need to check.

$ zgrep -A1 'install.*synaptic' /var/log/apt/history*

should tell you which packages were installed automatically
when you installed synaptic.

(I /think/ the history files are world-readable, but if they
aren't, you'll have to either run the command as root, or add
yourself to the adm group.)

Cheers,
David.

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#242113

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-11-13 07:30 +0100
Message-ID<DiUI1-7aE-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Thanks again!here is my /var/log/apt/history.log, many packages are not auto removeddo you think autoremove option work as promised in apt's manual?
Start-Date: 2021-11-11  19:52:46
Commandline: apt install synaptic
Install: libperl5.32:i386 (5.32.1-4+deb11u2, automatic), libxapian30:i386 (1.4.18-3, automatic), libtimedate-perl:i386 (2.3300-2, automatic), libhtml-tagset-perl:i386 (3.20-4, automatic), libgdbm-compat4:i386 (1.19-2, automatic), libtie-ixhash-perl:i386 (1.23-2.1, automatic), libnet-ssleay-perl:i386 (1.88-3+b1, automatic), libauthen-sasl-perl:i386 (2.1600-1.1, automatic), libio-socket-ssl-perl:i386 (2.069-1, automatic), libwww-robotrules-perl:i386 (6.02-1, automatic), cpp:i386 (4:10.2.1-1, automatic), libhtml-form-perl:i386 (6.07-1, automatic), liblwp-protocol-https-perl:i386 (6.10-1, automatic), libwww-perl:i386 (6.52-1, automatic), libtry-tiny-perl:i386 (0.30-1, automatic), perl:i386 (5.32.1-4+deb11u2, automatic), gir1.2-freedesktop:i386 (1.66.1-1+b1, automatic), libx11-protocol-perl:i386 (0.56-7.1, automatic), libfile-mimeinfo-perl:i386 (0.30-1, automatic), libgtk3-perl:i386 (0.038-1, automatic), libhttp-negotiate-perl:i386 (6.01-1, automatic), libfont-afm-perl:i386 (1.20-3, automatic), gir1.2-glib-2.0:i386 (1.66.1-1+b1, automatic), gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0:i386 (2.42.2+dfsg-1, automatic), synaptic:i386 (0.90.2), libxml-xpathengine-perl:i386 (0.14-1, automatic), libencode-locale-perl:i386 (1.05-1.1, automatic), bzip2:i386 (1.0.8-4, automatic), libdata-dump-perl:i386 (1.23-1.1, automatic), liblwp-mediatypes-perl:i386 (6.04-1, automatic), libfile-desktopentry-perl:i386 (0.22-2, automatic), libhtml-tree-perl:i386 (5.07-2, automatic), libmpfr6:i386 (4.1.0-3, automatic), libmailtools-perl:i386 (2.21-1, automatic), gir1.2-gtk-3.0:i386 (3.24.24-4, automatic), libextutils-depends-perl:i386 (0.8000-1, automatic), libmpc3:i386 (1.2.0-1, automatic), xz-utils:i386 (5.2.5-2, automatic), libextutils-pkgconfig-perl:i386 (1.16-1.1, automatic), liburi-perl:i386 (5.08-1, automatic), libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 (6.10-1, automatic), libgirepository-1.0-1:i386 (1.66.1-1+b1, automatic), libio-html-perl:i386 (1.004-2, automatic), libfile-fcntllock-perl:i386 (0.22-3+b7, automatic), libvte-2.91-common:i386 (0.62.3-1, automatic), libnet-http-perl:i386 (6.20-1, automatic), libio-stringy-perl:i386 (2.111-3, automatic), libipc-system-simple-perl:i386 (1.30-1, automatic), libhtml-format-perl:i386 (2.12-1.1, automatic), libhttp-date-perl:i386 (6.05-1, automatic), libfile-basedir-perl:i386 (0.08-1, automatic), libhtml-parser-perl:i386 (3.75-1+b1, automatic), pkg-config:i386 (0.29.2-1, automatic), cpp-10:i386 (10.2.1-6, automatic), gir1.2-atk-1.0:i386 (2.36.0-2, automatic), perl-openssl-defaults:i386 (5, automatic), libdpkg-perl:i386 (1.20.9, automatic), gir1.2-pango-1.0:i386 (1.46.2-3, automatic), libept1.6.0:i386 (1.2.1, automatic), x11-xserver-utils:i386 (7.7+8, automatic), libclone-perl:i386 (0.45-1+b1, automatic), libisl23:i386 (0.23-1, automatic), xdg-utils:i386 (1.1.3-4.1, automatic), libxml-twig-perl:i386 (1:3.52-1, automatic), libcairo-gobject-perl:i386 (1.005-2+b2, automatic), libpangoxft-1.0-0:i386 (1.46.2-3, automatic), libhttp-message-perl:i386 (6.28-1, automatic), libfile-listing-perl:i386 (6.14-1, automatic), gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0:i386 (2.7.4-1, automatic), libxml-parser-perl:i386 (2.46-2, automatic), perl-modules-5.32:i386 (5.32.1-4+deb11u2, automatic), libvte-2.91-0:i386 (0.62.3-1, automatic), libglib-object-introspection-perl:i386 (0.049-1+b1, automatic), libnet-dbus-perl:i386 (1.2.0-1+b1, automatic), libglib-perl:i386 (3:1.329.3-1+b1, automatic), libcairo-perl:i386 (1.109-1, automatic), libnet-smtp-ssl-perl:i386 (1.04-1, automatic), libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 (6.12-1, automatic)
Upgrade: perl-base:i386 (5.32.1-4, 5.32.1-4+deb11u2)
End-Date: 2021-11-11  19:54:40

Start-Date: 2021-11-12  20:51:45
Commandline: apt remove synaptic
Remove: synaptic:i386 (0.90.2)
End-Date: 2021-11-12  20:52:06

Start-Date: 2021-11-12  20:52:24
Commandline: apt autoremove
Remove: libxapian30:i386 (1.4.18-3), libvte-2.91-common:i386 (0.62.3-1), libept1.6.0:i386 (1.2.1), libvte-2.91-0:i386 (0.62.3-1)
End-Date: 2021-11-12  20:52:27

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#242132

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-11-13 17:40 +0100
Message-ID<Dj4el-4my-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#242113
On Sat 13 Nov 2021 at 06:18:53 (+0000), Long Wind wrote:
> Thanks again!
> here is my /var/log/apt/history.log, many packages are not auto removed
> do you think autoremove option work as promised in apt's manual?

AFAICT, but I haven't looked too deeply, it's Recommends by other
packages that usually cause a problem.

Anyway, here are two scripts. Save them to /tmp, and run with
$ bash why
$ bash remove
as a user. Both may produce a lot of output. The first will tell you
why each package is being kept. The second will pretend that it's
removing them all, and ought to "succeed" if there are no Depends
outside of each other, but only Recommends.

Cheers,
David.

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#242157

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-11-14 01:10 +0100
Message-ID<DjbfQ-gd-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Thanks, i can't understand why autoremove doesn't work, from user's point of view, it's easy to implementlet's examine 1st package
 aptitude why libperl5.32                                                                     
i   aptitude               Recommends libdpkg-perl                                                          
i A libdpkg-perl           Recommends libfile-fcntllock-perl                                                
i A libfile-fcntllock-perl Depends    perl (>= 5.32.0-4)                                                    
i A perl                   Depends    libperl5.32 (= 5.32.1-4+deb11u2) 


 apt-get -s remove libperl5.32NOTE: This is only a simulation!
      apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.
      Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,
      so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation!
Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-glib-2.0
  gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0 libgdbm-compat4
  libgirepository-1.0-1 libpangoxft-1.0-0 perl-modules-5.32
  perl-openssl-defaults
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libauthen-sasl-perl libcairo-gobject-perl libcairo-perl libclone-perl
  libdata-dump-perl libdpkg-perl libencode-locale-perl
  libextutils-depends-perl libextutils-pkgconfig-perl libfile-basedir-perl
  libfile-desktopentry-perl libfile-fcntllock-perl libfile-listing-perl
  libfile-mimeinfo-perl libfont-afm-perl libglib-object-introspection-perl
  libglib-perl libgtk3-perl libhtml-form-perl libhtml-format-perl
  libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl
  libhttp-cookies-perl libhttp-daemon-perl libhttp-date-perl
  libhttp-message-perl libhttp-negotiate-perl libio-html-perl
  libio-socket-ssl-perl libio-stringy-perl libipc-system-simple-perl
  liblwp-mediatypes-perl liblwp-protocol-https-perl libmailtools-perl
  libnet-dbus-perl libnet-http-perl libnet-smtp-ssl-perl libnet-ssleay-perl
  libperl5.32 libtie-ixhash-perl libtimedate-perl libtry-tiny-perl liburi-perl
  libwww-perl libwww-robotrules-perl libx11-protocol-perl libxml-parser-perl
  libxml-twig-perl libxml-xpathengine-perl perl pkg-config
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 52 to remove and 27 not upgraded.
Remv libauthen-sasl-perl [2.1600-1.1]
Remv libgtk3-perl [0.038-1]
Remv libcairo-gobject-perl [1.005-2+b2]
Remv libcairo-perl [1.109-1]
Remv libclone-perl [0.45-1+b1]
Remv libdata-dump-perl [1.23-1.1]
Remv libglib-object-introspection-perl [0.049-1+b1]
Remv libglib-perl [3:1.329.3-1+b1]
Remv libextutils-pkgconfig-perl [1.16-1.1]
Remv pkg-config [0.29.2-1]
Remv libdpkg-perl [1.20.9]
Remv libnet-dbus-perl [1.2.0-1+b1]
Remv libxml-twig-perl [1:3.52-1]
Remv libxml-parser-perl [2.46-2]
Remv liblwp-protocol-https-perl [6.10-1] [libwww-perl:i386 ]
Remv libwww-perl [6.52-1]
Remv libhttp-negotiate-perl [6.01-1]
Remv libhttp-message-perl [6.28-1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libencode-locale-perl [1.05-1.1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libfile-mimeinfo-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libextutils-depends-perl [0.8000-1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libfile-mimeinfo-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libfile-mimeinfo-perl [0.30-1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libfile-desktopentry-perl [0.22-2] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libfile-basedir-perl [0.08-1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libfile-fcntllock-perl [0.22-3+b7] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libfile-listing-perl [6.14-1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhtml-format-perl [2.12-1.1] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libfont-afm-perl [1.20-3] [libhtml-form-perl:i386 libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhtml-form-perl [6.07-1] [libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhtml-tree-perl [5.07-2] [libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhtml-parser-perl [3.75-1+b1] [libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhtml-tagset-perl [3.20-4] [libhttp-cookies-perl:i386 libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhttp-cookies-perl [6.10-1] [libhttp-daemon-perl:i386 ]
Remv libhttp-daemon-perl [6.12-1]
Remv libhttp-date-perl [6.05-1]
Remv libio-html-perl [1.004-2]
Remv libmailtools-perl [2.21-1]
Remv libnet-smtp-ssl-perl [1.04-1]
Remv libio-socket-ssl-perl [2.069-1]
Remv libio-stringy-perl [2.111-3]
Remv libipc-system-simple-perl [1.30-1]
Remv liblwp-mediatypes-perl [6.04-1]
Remv libnet-http-perl [6.20-1]
Remv libnet-ssleay-perl [1.88-3+b1]
Remv libxml-xpathengine-perl [0.14-1]
Remv libx11-protocol-perl [0.56-7.1]
Remv libwww-robotrules-perl [6.02-1]
Remv liburi-perl [5.08-1]
Remv perl [5.32.1-4+deb11u2] [libtimedate-perl:i386 libtie-ixhash-perl:i386 libtry-tiny-perl:i386 ]
Remv libperl5.32 [5.32.1-4+deb11u2] [libtimedate-perl:i386 libtie-ixhash-perl:i386 libtry-tiny-perl:i386 ]
Remv libtie-ixhash-perl [1.23-2.1] [libtimedate-perl:i386 libtry-tiny-perl:i386 ]
Remv libtimedate-perl [2.3300-2] [libtry-tiny-perl:i386 ]
Remv libtry-tiny-perl [0.30-1]

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#242179

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-11-14 18:00 +0100
Message-ID<Djr1g-1br-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#242157
On Sun 14 Nov 2021 at 00:05:24 (+0000), Long Wind wrote:
> Thanks, i can't understand why autoremove doesn't work,
> from user's point of view, it's easy to implement
> let's examine 1st package

>  aptitude why libperl5.32
> i   aptitude               Recommends libdpkg-perl
> i A libdpkg-perl           Recommends libfile-fcntllock-perl
> i A libfile-fcntllock-perl Depends    perl (>= 5.32.0-4)
> i A perl                   Depends    libperl5.32 (= 5.32.1-4+deb11u2) 

Which is exactly what I said: there's a package that you had already
installed (aptitude), whose Recommends includes a chain that extends
to libperl5.32.

Would I be correct in assuming that you originally installed aptitude
/without/ Recommends, and installed synaptic /with/ Recommends?
AFAIK, APT makes no attempt to track that difference.

>  apt-get -s remove libperl5.32

So you've decided to break that chain.

[ … ]
> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
>   gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-glib-2.0
>   gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0 libgdbm-compat4
>   libgirepository-1.0-1 libpangoxft-1.0-0 perl-modules-5.32
>   perl-openssl-defaults

So that's 12 more that will drop out later,

> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   libauthen-sasl-perl libcairo-gobject-perl libcairo-perl libclone-perl
>   [ … ]
>   libxml-twig-perl libxml-xpathengine-perl perl pkg-config
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 52 to remove and 27 not upgraded.

and 52 being removed now, so that leaves 73 - 52 - 12 = 9 packages
still left in. So if you do remove those, you might be able to look at
the others in your "why" list and see what's keeping them in, thought
bear in mind that each "why" response is composed of a single chain,
the composition of which might change because of the packages just
removed. (That is why there will be 12 candidates for autoremoval:
removal of those 52 packages will destroy 12 chains.)

I can't speak to the 27 upgrade candidates, but I assume they're there
because you're deferring any ungrade until you've cleared out the
synaptic detritus.)

Cheers,
David.

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#242190

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-11-14 20:10 +0100
Message-ID<Djt33-2CG-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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 On Sunday, November 14, 2021, 11:54:34 AM EST, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: 
 Which is exactly what I said: there's a package that you had already
installed (aptitude), whose Recommends includes a chain that extends
to libperl5.32.

Would I be correct in assuming that you originally installed aptitude
/without/ Recommends, and installed synaptic /with/ Recommends?
AFAIK, APT makes no attempt to track that difference.


i always use apt or apt-get in early debian distro to install/remove  packagesapt doesn't allow me to choose whether to install Recommended (Suggested?) packages
i install aptitude only after you tell me to run "aptitude why packageName"

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#242194

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-11-15 02:40 +0100
Message-ID<Djz8t-6gP-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#242190
On Sun 14 Nov 2021 at 19:03:33 (+0000), Long Wind wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021, 11:54:34 AM EST, David Wright wrote: 
> > Which is exactly what I said: there's a package that you had already
> > installed (aptitude), whose Recommends includes a chain that extends
> > to libperl5.32.
> > 
> > Would I be correct in assuming that you originally installed aptitude
> > /without/ Recommends, and installed synaptic /with/ Recommends?
> > AFAIK, APT makes no attempt to track that difference.
> 
> i always use apt or apt-get in early debian distro to
> install/remove packages
> apt doesn't allow me to choose whether to install Recommended
> (Suggested?) packages

Yes, not right at the start, unless you preseed it by editing
  d-i base-installer/install-recommends boolean true
or hack it as I did here:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00345.html

> i install aptitude only after you tell me to run "aptitude why packageName"

Ah, ok, the other way round: diagnosing the problem disturbed the
system. At least observing the system doesn't (unlike for particle
physicists). In that case, though, you might be stuck with some of
those nine remaining packages, if they're actually supporting aptitude.

I install aptitude on my system in my setup script, but only as a tool
for such occasions, not for installing. You too might want to keep it.

Cheers,
David.

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#242195

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-11-15 02:50 +0100
Message-ID<Djzi9-6jZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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these days disk space are cheap
this trivial issue of unwanted packages isn't worthy of further effortother users on this list doesn't seem interestedlet's end this thread, Thank David anyway!

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#242135

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-11-13 17:50 +0100
Message-ID<Dj4o1-4pX-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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It helps to attach the scripts!

Cheers,
David.

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#242779

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 17:40 +0100
Message-ID<Ds893-68x-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sb, 13 nov 21, 01:59:04, Long Wind wrote:
> i install synaptic, with many depended packagesthen i remove synaptic 
> and autoremovebut many depended packages are not removed

It could be due to 'AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant' which defaults to 
'true' since 0.8.15.3 (2011).

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#242859

FromLong Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com>
Date2021-12-10 01:30 +0100
Message-ID<DsBXr-7E8-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#242779
Thank Andrei!
but i've removed bullseye by mistake.

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